20180816_ChatTranscript.txt

Michael Lombardi 9:28 AM: 
Also: Slack is down. :D
Mark Kraus 9:28 AM: 
If only we had some kind of Universal Time of some sort...
Michael Lombardi 9:28 AM: 
Got that discord link? ;)
Michael Lombardi 9:28 AM: 
@markkraus++
Kexy Biscuit 9:29 AM: 
PS > Get-TimeZone 
Mark Kraus 9:29 AM: 
https://bit.ly/psdiscord
Pearon, Matthew 9:30 AM: 
"The Issue"
Pearon, Matthew 9:30 AM: 
Sounds scary
Michael Lombardi 9:30 AM: 
@markkraus++
Michael Lombardi 9:30 AM: 
Definitely need a poshbot plugin for discord now...
Joey Aiello 9:31 AM: 
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/7434 
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:31 AM: 
yes
Nick 9:31 AM: 
Yup
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:31 AM: 
it is horrific 
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:32 AM: 
better now!
Keith Hill 9:32 AM: 
It's good on my 4K monitor. :-)
Darwin Sanoy 9:32 AM: 
My eyes dont' scale up to 4K anymore
Michael Lombardi 9:32 AM: 
I usually swap from 4K to 1080 right before presentations
Maximo Trinidad 9:32 AM: 
What are the differences in the GA vs Preview4 Module CimCmdlets. I got an issue that I had to use 6.0.4 GA to install OpenSSH from Chocolatey.  Preview4 giving error: ERROR: The 'Get-CIMInstance' command was found in the module 'CimCmdlets', but the module could not be loaded. For more information, run 'Import-Module CimCmdlets'.
The install of openssh was NOT successful. 
Michael Lombardi 9:32 AM: 
On the other hand, your 4k looks fine on mine. :D
Darwin Sanoy 9:32 AM: 
Same with 22 channel sound or whatever it's up to now
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:32 AM: 
@maximo, not aware of that issue. No explicit changes I’m aware of.
Michael Lombardi 9:33 AM: 
/me reading the thread, sees a lot of Joel, wonders if he's on the call
Jonas Sommer Nielsen 9:34 AM: 
should I be hearing any audio now?
Michael Lombardi 9:34 AM: 
Aside: I have to duck early for a meeting, but ping re DSC Core
Joey Aiello 9:34 AM: 
yes you should be
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:34 AM: 
screen is good
Keith Hill 9:34 AM: 
Yes
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:34 AM: 
@maximo, it doesn’t repro on my Windows box
Maximo Trinidad 9:34 AM: 
I got two Windows 10 insider build with the same issue.  I have try other Choco packages but weird I had to use Ga in order to install it.
Constantin Hager 9:34 AM: 
yes
Mark Kraus 9:34 AM: 
"works fine on my box" -Developer
Keith Hill 9:34 AM: 
yes
Cat, Francois-Xavier (EUT & BTO) 9:34 AM: 
yep
Nick 9:34 AM: 
yup
Pearon, Matthew 9:34 AM: 
Looks good here
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:34 AM: 
@mark, lol
Maximo Trinidad 9:34 AM: 
I meant I haven't try other Choco pkgs.
Kexy Biscuit 9:35 AM: 
Any sound?
Mark Kraus 9:35 AM: 
I can hear fine
Cat, Francois-Xavier (EUT & BTO) 9:35 AM: 
sound is ok
Nick 9:35 AM: 
Still sounds fine
Andrew 9:35 AM: 
Sounds good here
Michael Lombardi 9:35 AM: 
Sound and video is good.
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:35 AM: 
We can hear. 
brendan foley 9:35 AM: 
sound is good
Maximo Trinidad 9:35 AM: 
Let me re-login No sound
David Coulter (Doc Guy) 9:35 AM: 
Sounds good. Just reload Skype if you have no sound.
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:37 AM: 
Call out on chat if any acronyms don’t make sense to you
Keith Hill 9:39 AM: 
Nice!
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:39 AM: 
ActiveDirectory!
Adam Murray 9:39 AM: 
(y)
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:39 AM: 
This is awesome
Ryen Tang 9:39 AM: 
nice
Kexy Biscuit 9:39 AM: 
Productive for now.
Michael Lombardi 9:39 AM: 
\o/
Michael B Smith 9:41 AM: 
modules?
Cat, Francois-Xavier (EUT & BTO) 9:41 AM: 
commands
Michael B Smith 9:41 AM: 
hah
Jeremy Murrah 9:41 AM: 
what's the story around identifying modules that support core on linux and windows vs. just windows?
Tim Curwick 9:43 AM: 
How will the rest of the modules be rolled out to Win 10 and 2019? Monthly patches, semi annual, major update, other?
Darwin Sanoy 9:43 AM: 
Did yall see that PowerShell is in AWS Lambda now? https://docs.aws.amazon.com/powershell/latest/reference/items/AWS_Lambda_cmdlets.html 
Darwin Sanoy 9:43 AM: 
Why aren't implementations like Cron versus task scheduler hidden behind one CMDlet?
Darwin Sanoy 9:43 AM: 
Another set is Stop-Computer, Restart-Computer
PowerCode 9:43 AM: 
Do we need some way of specifying module compatiblity with os versions?
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:44 AM: 
For win10, if you’re in Insiders, you’ll get the latest with when the OS updates. All the changes we’ve made will show up in the final version of the next release of Win10. These changes don’t show up as part of monthly patches.
PowerCode 9:45 AM: 
Third party modules, that has dependencies on os specific modules
Keith Bankston 9:45 AM: 
FYI: Gallery doc listing recommended tags: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/gallery/concepts/item-manifest-affecting-ui 
Keith Hill 9:45 AM: 
Do you envision PowerShell Core ever shipping "built into" a future version of Windows? That's got both pros and cons. :-)
Andrew 9:45 AM: 
Any new details/timeframe around the cross-platform DSC agent?
Michael Lombardi 9:45 AM: 
DSC Core++
Keith Bankston 9:45 AM: 
FYI: Gallery doc listing recommended tags: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/gallery/concepts/item-manifest-affecting-ui  
maxtrinidad 9:45 AM: 
Sorry SteveL! I had to reconnect and I lost all the conversation thread... Maybe I need to reinstall Preview 4. and rty installing OpenSSH from Choco.
Darwin Sanoy 9:48 AM: 
Building PowerShell was hard - you guys are up to it :)
Nicholas M. Getchell 9:49 AM: 
I agree with Darwin on Scheduled Task
Keith Hill 9:50 AM: 
The Set-ACL cmdlet is like that IIRC. Still prefer icacls
Trevor Sullivan 9:52 AM: 
icacls always makes me think of some super villain cackling in an evil tone.
Joey Aiello 9:53 AM: 
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/tree/master/demos/crontab 
Darwin Sanoy 9:53 AM: 
nice
Jeremy Murrah 9:53 AM: 
I like the model of abstracting the OS-specific commands away in a configuration management resource/module. i.e. DSC resource for scheduling is a single thing, but it does different commands/OS things under the hood
Mark Kraus 9:53 AM: 
Make it plugable
Mark Kraus 9:53 AM: 
we can create distro/platform specific plugins
Jeremy Murrah 9:53 AM: 
that feels like a better/easier fit
Jonas Sommer Nielsen 9:55 AM: 
great idea
Prasoon(kvprasoon) 9:55 AM: 
Get-PendingReboot
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 9:57 AM: 
Created https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/7541 to discuss task scheduling cmdlets for cross-platform
Trevor Sullivan 9:57 AM: 
A plist reader/writer module would be nice
Trevor Sullivan 9:57 AM: 
Macs are fun with their special config files
Darwin Sanoy 9:58 AM: 
Thanks!
PowerCode 9:58 AM: 
Maybe a meta issue for what cmdlets should be considers "baseline"
Kexy Biscuit 9:59 AM: 
pwsh-sysadmin or something?
Jonas Sommer Nielsen 9:59 AM: 
Would it be possible for the Team to lay out the scafolding ... uhm like design "empty" commands that can be implemented on different platforms by the community
Michael Lombardi 9:59 AM: 
Since you opened the door, future work on classes in powershell? :D
Darwin Sanoy 10:00 AM: 
Maybe a "What should be bootstrap cmdlets" guiding principles / manifesto
PowerCode 10:00 AM: 
What he said!
Jonas Sommer Nielsen 10:01 AM: 
The important part for end "users" would be that the commands are the same across different os'es 
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:05 AM: 
I’ll create issue for the meta discussion on basic OS mgmt cmdlets
PowerCode 10:05 AM: 
I have actually created just that for DICE
PowerCode 10:05 AM: 
What Bruce talked about
Joey Aiello 10:05 AM: 
oooh, please share? :) 
PowerCode 10:05 AM: 
Not sure I can :(
Doug Finke 10:07 AM: 
I like the docker point
Jeremy Murrah 10:09 AM: 
trick with a minimal install is that alot of the gallery stuff has sort of implied dependencies on stuff they expect to be built-in
PowerCode 10:09 AM: 
What I did was nothing complex: Download pwsh from the web, a meta module with the modules I need, Save-Module on the meta module, and a click-once installer around the package. And PowerLine fonts of course :)
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:09 AM: 
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/7542 created to discuss baseline cmdlets for managing cross platform
Jeremy Murrah 10:09 AM: 
so on that idea, any plans to have support for auto-installing dependent modules ala yum and pip?
Trevor Sullivan 10:09 AM: 
If anyone wants to contribute to an open source project, I launched an effort to provide Intellisense for AWS cloud resources. https://github.com/awslabs/aws-powershell-extensions
Darwin Sanoy 10:12 AM: 
will do
Trevor Sullivan 10:12 AM: 
It'd be awesome if we had a PowerShell module that would assist in deploying internally-facing / private NuGet feeds for PowerShell modules.
Jonas Sommer Nielsen 10:12 AM: 
It would still be nice to have a "trusted" repo for modules "rubberstamped" by the team or community
Pearon, Matthew 10:13 AM: 
Scary
Nick 10:13 AM: 
I'd be ok with that if it was confirm based
PowerCode 10:13 AM: 
Versioning needs to be expressed better
maxtrinidad 10:13 AM: 
SteveL/Darwin just an FYI... I'm able to install choco OpenSSH in Windows 5.1 but not PowerShell Core Preview4 (although works in GA). I can live with it! :)
Keith Hill 10:13 AM: 
We build modules published to a corp repo (Artifactory-based) if we depend on external modules in PSGallery - will that work?
Pearon, Matthew 10:14 AM: 
It just seems like a very quick way to break other stuff.
Nick 10:14 AM: 
ConfirmImpact = 'High'
Nick 10:14 AM: 
or 'SuperHigh'
PowerCode 10:15 AM: 
Have I missed something, or doesn't module version in requiredmodules just specify a lower bound? Should be semantic, shouldn't it?
Nick 10:16 AM: 
Trusted repo != trusted module necissarily. I may also not want a module for non-security reasons (cmdlet clobbering, etc.)
Joey Aiello 10:16 AM: 
@PowerCode: would nice to be semantic, but there's back compat problems that make it really complicated
Joey Aiello 10:17 AM: 
@Nick: in that case, high confirmation impact would be helpful I think
Nick 10:17 AM: 
Yup.
PowerCode 10:17 AM: 
Even if we add SemanticReqiredVersion
Nick 10:17 AM: 
Just wouldn't want it to happen without prompting
Pearon, Matthew 10:17 AM: 
Competing code between modules that were automatically downloaded/installed seems like a likely thing.
maxtrinidad 10:17 AM: 
Whar abotu using a SQLServe Linux server for DSC?
Pearon, Matthew 10:18 AM: 
The confirm would at least shift the mitigation step to the end user
Trevor Sullivan 10:18 AM: 
PowerShell Gallery is a bit overdue for a UI refresh.
Keith Bankston 10:19 AM: 
It's getting one
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:19 AM: 
@trevor https://www.preview.powershellgallery.com/
Trevor Sullivan 10:19 AM: 
"People who like this module also installed this module ..."
PowerCode 10:20 AM: 
What are the reqs for being trusted?
Keith Bankston 10:21 AM: 
@powercode: honestly still working on them. That's the reason we haven't made the feature public yet. 
Darwin Sanoy 10:21 AM: 
https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/issues/7543 
Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:21 AM: 
We had a PS Private gallery project , is it still alive, to have a provate repo for non public n/w facing environments ?
Nick 10:21 AM: 
I honestly don't care either way as long as it is consistent. It is currently not consistent. 
Nicholas M. Getchell 10:21 AM: 
What is the current functionality?
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:22 AM: 
currently it’s not consistent. making it consistent is a breaking change.
Steve Lee (POWERSHELL) 10:22 AM: 
“breaking change”
Nick 10:22 AM: 
"breaking"
Keith Bankston 10:22 AM: 
@prasoon(kvprasoon) that project was too difficult to maintain. We recommend folks deploy NuGet.
Travis Plunk 10:22 AM: 
@maxtrinidad we don’t have anyone from DSC on the call
Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:22 AM: 
@keith - Thanks !
maxtrinidad 10:24 AM: 
Travis!! I'm just throwing it out there! :)
Nick 10:24 AM: 
The one anoying thing about the errors is if you're doing "if (!(Get-Whatever)) {}" you have to supress the error or someone running the script will see it.
PowerCode 10:26 AM: 
+100
Trevor Sullivan 10:26 AM: 
PS /> Get-Clipboard
To be honest, I prefer Bash to PowerS...

"Oh crap ..."
PowerCode 10:26 AM: 
for Bruces Get-Command
Pearon, Matthew 10:27 AM: 
Someone kick Trevor form the meeting... :P
Trevor Sullivan 10:27 AM: 
Who's Trevor form?
Nick 10:27 AM: 
Or change PowerShell so that if a command is inside an if/elseif it automatically supresses. Error = $null default.
PowerCode 10:27 AM: 
A Test-Command?
Pearon, Matthew 10:27 AM: 
Hahaha...trying the standing desk thing.  Not going well. :)
Jeremy Murrah 10:28 AM: 
test-connection foo throws an error
Jeremy Murrah 10:28 AM: 
test-connection foo -quiet returns boolean
Jeremy Murrah 10:29 AM: 
should get-command have a -quiet? or should there be a test-command?
PowerCode 10:29 AM: 
Think about the .net TryGetValue. It is often useful to had a test and get
Sean Wheeler 10:29 AM: 
+1 for test-command
Nick 10:29 AM: 
Is there an open issue on Github for this?
Joey Aiello 10:31 AM: 
I don't think so, the conversation was mostly happening in this (now-closed) PR: https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/7434 
Nick 10:31 AM: 
(y)
Joey Aiello 10:31 AM: 
It just ignited lots of discussion among us
Keith Hill 10:31 AM: 
+1 for Test-Command.
maxtrinidad 10:32 AM: 
+1 Test-Command
Keith Hill 10:32 AM: 
I expect get-* on a non-wildcard spec to fail if not found. But maybe that is just me.
Keith Hill 10:33 AM: 
@Joey - do you believe the new ConPTY support coming in conhost will make the interactive SSH experience with PS on the client and server side behave better. Right now, the the CLI experience isn't great with text randomly moving down several lines below where the prompt is.
PowerCode 10:33 AM: 
In many cases, I would actually like to have SDK classes exposed, matching the cmdlets on top. The both Get-Command and Test-Command could use the same SDK class, and I could use the class.TryGetValue when I needed it.
Keith Hill 10:34 AM: 
Great!
Keith Hill 10:35 AM: 
FYI https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2018/08/02/windows-command-line-introducing-the-windows-pseudo-console-conpty/
PowerCode 10:35 AM: 
So, the cmdlets are just like the view/viewmodel layer
Keith Hill 10:36 AM: 
Nice!
PowerCode 10:37 AM: 
@Keith I don't. * for me means all matching. That may be none.
Keith Hill 10:37 AM: 
Ah, such a nice change from 8 years ago when we kept telling Jeffery that the consoel had to improve and he could only shrug. :-)
Nick 10:37 AM: 
@richturn_ms
Keith Hill 10:37 AM: 
Thanks!
maxtrinidad 10:38 AM: 
Awesome!! Thanks!!
Darwin Sanoy 10:38 AM: 
Thanks!
Keith Hill 10:38 AM: 
bye
PowerCode 10:38 AM: 
Thx for today!
Doug Finke 10:38 AM: 
thnks
Ryen Tang 10:38 AM: 
thanks
Prasoon(kvprasoon) 10:38 AM: 
$Thanks...
Kexy Biscuit 10:38 AM: 
Bye!
Adam Murray 10:38 AM: 
(y)