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Public Feedback on Move to Eclipse #160

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gdams opened this issue Jun 19, 2020 · 22 comments
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Public Feedback on Move to Eclipse #160

gdams opened this issue Jun 19, 2020 · 22 comments

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@gdams
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gdams commented Jun 19, 2020

Background article: https://blog.adoptopenjdk.net/2020/06/adoptopenjdk-to-join-the-eclipse-foundation/

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avermeer commented Jun 19, 2020

Great news!

By the way, when will java -version output and java.vendor system property be updated to reflect the Adoptium new name ?

Will Eclipse IDE be shipped with Adoptium OpenJ9 by default?

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akuckartz commented Jun 19, 2020

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alblue commented Jun 19, 2020

Congratulations everyone on making this happen! It's a great place for AdoptOpenJDK Adoptium to live.

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Dragas commented Jun 19, 2020

Why change the name at all? It's already going to be confusing, like with every name change prior.

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alblue commented Jun 19, 2020

Why change the name at all? It's already going to be confusing, like with every name change prior.

As I wrote on InfoQ, essentially it’s a trademark issue.

https://www.infoq.com/news/2020/06/adoptopenjdk-eclipse-adoptium/

Oracle owns the trademark for OpenJDK (as with javax) and to avoid any possible trademark issues it has to be renamed. I got confirmation from Mike, who is the executive director of the Eclipse Foundation.

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gdams commented Jun 19, 2020

Why change the name at all? It's already going to be confusing, like with every name change prior.

As mentioned in the blog post, there is a trademark issue which we wanted to resolve. Trademarks are important and we want to be respectful of that!

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tellison commented Jun 19, 2020

Great news!

By the way, when will java -version output and java.vendor system property be updated to reflect the Adoptium new name ?

Will Eclipse IDE be shipped with Adoptium OpenJ9 by default?

@avermeer good questions. I expect the name will change to reflect the new name, and don't know about what other projects plan to do. It is very early days for Adoptium and we'll work through all the questions with people as openly as possible on Slack / issues / email.

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AleksNo commented Jun 19, 2020

Hi, and this is great news.

But how about the Java SE TCK? Is there an agreement with Oracle that the EF can use those TCKs? On the AdoptopenJdk-website stands that there is no agreement with 'Oracle.

https://adoptopenjdk.net/quality.html

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@Vishnu05
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Vishnu05 commented Jun 20, 2020

Great news🎉

@aahlenst
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aahlenst commented Jun 20, 2020

@AleksNo https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/adoptium/governance

@avermeer
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avermeer commented Jun 21, 2020

Java and Java EE were created by Sun Microsystems, both are moving to Eclipse fundation, otherwise said:

Eclipse

is the new Sun

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Phillipus commented Jun 25, 2020

"Adoptium"? Sorry, but it sounds like something Lex Luthor would have dreamed up.

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JacksonBailey commented Jun 25, 2020

Why change the name at all? [...]

[...]there is a trademark issue which we wanted to resolve.[...]

@gdams, is it fair to say that if (the project formerly known as) AdoptOpenJDK wasn't moving to the Eclipse Foundation that this was still something coming, at least at some point?

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aahlenst commented Jun 26, 2020

@JacksonBailey Yes

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gdams commented Jun 26, 2020

@gdams, is it fair to say that if (the project formerly known as) AdoptOpenJDK wasn't moving to the Eclipse Foundation that this was still something coming, at least at some point?

Yes 100%, the project has needed to change it's name for a long time.

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AleksNo commented Jun 26, 2020

Here is an interesting discussion about the "LTS" of the Adoptopenjdk-project:
https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/hbywy1/adoptopenjdk_to_join_the_eclipse_foundation/fvbugv8/

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matpag commented Jul 8, 2020

If you are forced to change the name, I think you should at least conserve the "JDK" part somewhere, otherwise a lot of people will be confused.
Something like "AdoptiumJDK"?

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Phillipus commented Jul 8, 2020

If you are forced to change the name, I think you should at least conserve the "JDK" part somewhere, otherwise a lot of people will be confused.
Something like "AdoptiumJDK"?

How about "Eclipsium Adoptium JDKium"? ;-)

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yamadamn commented Jul 8, 2020

@matpag @Phillipus "JDK" is Oracle's trademark.[1] It's inherited from Sun. So, I think Adoptium can't use the name.
[1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75695723&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch

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smlambert commented Apr 6, 2021

Given the move is nearing completion, will close this issue. Repository transfer info can be found in: #205

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0x7d7b commented Sep 6, 2021

@matpag @Phillipus "JDK" is Oracle's trademark.[1] It's inherited from Sun. So, I think Adoptium can't use the name.
[1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75695723&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch

The official Docker Hub project description still contains the term "OpenJDK": https://hub.docker.com/_/eclipse-temurin

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karianna commented Sep 6, 2021

@matpag @Phillipus "JDK" is Oracle's trademark.[1] It's inherited from Sun. So, I think Adoptium can't use the name.
[1] http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=75695723&caseType=SERIAL_NO&searchType=statusSearch

The official Docker Hub project description still contains the term "OpenJDK": https://hub.docker.com/_/eclipse-temurin

We can use the term OpenJDK as our build is a direct derivative (this is deemed fair use)

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