wow great question
no kidding, there are so many
Never got that one before you go first. I'm still thinking about mine I'm becoming painfully aware that I'm not particularly charitable.... if
I really like the American Red Cross It seems like they always are in places that need help!
I'm sorry if this is too deep to quickly, but I think I'm the type of person who'd be happy to donate a million dollars to charity but will never make enough time to visit an elderly home it's a twisted, minimalistic sense of charity do you get what I mean??
thats a fair point. Just seems like they are helping people that are in a huge need in other countries and within our own country
right! Something like that
I think elderly and the poor are more of a local issue, that we each need to take care of
and it reminds me of some quotes about making time is just as important as making money
not necessarily an issue for an organization Although, charities that would help elderly and poor people, I would support as well
some interesting things to think about the balance between foreign and domestic aid and balancing church callings vs spending more time with family do you ever feel overwhelmed with all of these tradeoffs?? I think about them all the time and cant help but feel so awfully inadequate in all dimensions
That is a common thing that I think many people think about. I know I have Family is really important to me! But I also understand that things need to happen outside of the family I think that is what helps me understand it the most Thats one reason Im at college, even though my family is nowhere close
yeah for sure. and on top of that, there's socializing and experiences vs getting a good education
Thats also a balance I'm currently trying to find
picking relevant courses, vs interesting courses that don't contribute to your academic path
Im thinking about doing some internships next summer to help with that
oh my don't even get started on internships!!
Ya, I just signed up for courses for winter semester
it's always between travel, resting vs internships
what do you mean?
there will never be a time in the future where you will be as free as you are now but yet, it's so important to spend free time productively to have a decent future
how does getting an internship give you less time? or maybe I just misread that...
well that's time that you have to dedicate to working isn't it? I'm not from here, so all of my friends back home are in the work -travel cycle
ya, but internship is more like college in the field
there's no expectation to go to uni, so they just work for a few months, quit and spend all their savings on a big trip and do that twice a year or so
its largely a learning experience
can you explain that a little more
Ya, no worries
I don't think I understand
When I think of internships that will benefit you I don't think of just working for low wages I think of working with pay for a place that is in your field that you could see working one day and as you work pushing yourself to new limits you learn more and more until you either get a job
so what are you interested in?
or you will get offers other places Im interested in animation. How about you?
oh wow animation that's cool do you know kaede
Im actually studying computer science with an emphasis in animation Ya, I know kaede She is in the program
so you must be close to graduation then lots of respect for animation people they work really hard in a cutthroat industry compensation is pretty bad for traditional animation jobs, relative to work and skillset I hear
Actually I just started. Im now a sophomore.
interesting do you enjoy it? How did you arrive at animation
Ya, it really is that way. Thats one reason that I went the computer science route I have always enjoyed it for some reason
that's fantastic you could always fall back on freelance 3d design or video games
Ya, thats actually true, I have even thought of working one day at blizzard or Pixar Although the dream is to create my own work somehow
that's awesome do you code in Unity? or unreal
I do a little in unreal Unreal engine has some really cool features. You seem to know quite a bit about animation, how do you know so much
is unreal based in C#? I just read a lot. I'm not an animation guy or anything
hup oops, yup
hmm that sounds like a lot of fun
Oh, that makes sense
my animation experience is literally only based on arKit for iOS
Oh, thats pretty cool. Are you a computer science major?
not really I don't know what I am at the moment I've taken enough credits for a business minor, and I'm been taking some cs classes maybe computer engineering or something
I have a friend that is going into that and he says he loves it! I love the computer science department and would recommend that, but only if you are enjoying it though
I really like coding but I know that I can't compete with the genuises that sleep and dream in code so I'm trying to find a different angle to make myself a little more competitive I'll probably end up with a STEM major and a double minor in econ and something else
Thats pretty smart. Seems how there are a ton of freaking smart Computer scientist out there.
yeah there really are it's intimidating
And they are tough to compete with. Thats also another reason why I want to go the animation route
BYU has a huge spectrum of academic intelligence there are a lot of game changers, especially in STEM, but there are some people here who seriously should not have been accepted
Although I feel if you can survive the classes you will do well, as they are tough but challenging in good ways
which CS courses have you taken already
cs 142, 235, 224, and csanm 250 how about you?
I oh cool I've taken all those except 250 224 killed me with the msp40 and everything. I hear the course has changed quite a lot though
ya, its honestly super hard some people in the class seem to really understand it, but me, I find it really challenging
did you get to code snake on the little microprocessor and do the fun stuff with the 8x8 array
actually I'm in that class right now. So I havent quite yet Is that one of the labs
oh true well it's not anymore they revamped the whole thing so that you don't have to deal with as much hardware the last few labs of 224 used to be absolutely brutal we had to code the game of snake in C for the last lab and optimize it for time
oh, man that does kinda suck we are learning about the hardware but its more of a programmers perspective
yeah the bits and all that I loved learning about those for sure but the stuff that they wanted us to do was just way beyond anything we'd ever been taught before it was not fair I took it right after 142, because that's what it said to do on the major thing and I feel like that has since been changed
Thats exactly what I'm doing as well. But Im sure it has changed a lot We still do a lot of bit manipulation we are learning assembly right now there are a lot of crazy things I didn't realize the computer does
I see yeah the theory is amasing I couldn't believe the genius of 0s and 1s it's almost as if numbers were designed to do just that the fact that you can represent anything in base 2
No kidding, there are so many ways to represent anything we need with just two numbers
incredible which lab are you doing
the attack lab. We just finished the bomb lab. I felt really stressed on that one cause I always felt like I was going to end up exploding it But it always ended up ok and we actually ended up getting extra credit on it. Which I need after the midterm... ...
hmm I don't think I've done either of those how are you handling C do they still throw you right into it without explaining anything??
ya, I think I understand it but mainly from just googling about how to use C not much is taught in the class about c
right that was the worst coming right out of 142 and not having done anything before uni that was a really hard thing haha I'm way better prepared now to take any cs classes now that I've read around and know where to get help
ya, c++ was already hard enough as is then they just threw us into c as well as assembly I feel like this entire class has been good, but the instruction on the material is kinda crazy it seems like we are just always thrown into the water, and then drown a little, then right before we die, they say hey you probably should know this.
right
its ok, I think that we learn a lot that way though.
dr roper?
I have dr. Jones Funny thing was, when I ended up taking the class I thought that it was going to be my fun class. I didn't hear all the rumors of it being one of the hardest classes at this point
that too!!
Then I quickly learned this class was way harder than expected
everything about the class is really difficult I really wish they taught it differently or put it ahead of more classes so that people dont accidentally take it and end up withdrawing or failing
Agreed, they could make it more effective for those that are in the class by making it a course that is recommended later. The only problem is, at least in the map that I have for the animation emphasis it is placed so early because everything has a prerequisite of cs224
yeah maybe it's deisgned to be a weeder class they want students to fall in intentionally
maybe it is a weeder class
cs 235 is nothing compared to it I wish I took that before I went head on with 224
Really 235 is a breeze compared to 224
I'm pretty sure 236, 240 and 224 are all weeder classes
mainly because 235 just builds on 142 but the problem is that 224 has nothing as a prerequisite and therefore it can't build on anything. They talk about anything from the registers on the cpu to memory, to assembly, C, and binary. And the scary part is Im just barely half way done. Haha
are your grades doing okay?? you want to build a big a buffer as possible the last few labs will be hard and the final is insane
Ya, I currently have an A or A- or something like that. Oh shoot. Our professor made it seem like it was only going to get easier.
seriously?? I doubt it I see people at the labs all the time just slaving over their labs it's not like they get any shorter
Im definitely nervous about the next midterm and final. But I think as long as I have a decent understanding Ill survive it and be able to get through this class with a decent grade
dhow did you do on the midterm
Shoot! I got like a 75% or so I'm currently doing the make up for it though to get it up to an 88 or so He told us that if we wanted to, because the class did so bad, that we could make up the test be redoing the work on our own for half credit Did they allow you to do that when you ended up taking it
wow you get make up??? Dr roper didn't give us any make up opporutnities
Ya, its just for this one test though, cause apparently everyone failed the test
all he said was that we could bring in as many notes as we wanted to the testing center as long as it fit on one sheet of paper a4, a2, a3 size didn't matter hmmm wow that's amazing our midterm averages were like 70s too
We had that too, but it could only be notebook paper
when does the major break into animation stuff?
Hmmm...... Im not sure then?
do you have to take 36 and 40?
It'll start breaking into animation not this next semester but the next 336 and 340? I think so. I have to take all the same classes that everyone else in the Computer Science Program has to take and additional ones for the animation emphasis Sometimes I wonder if its worth it to take the additional classes. But If nothing else its something that I like to do
oh wow that's a long way to graduation I'm feeling the pressure to get financially independent I want to graduate as quickly as possible so that I don't have to keep paying tuition
Do you work anywhere right now?
nope I worked over the summer and I wanted to do my first semester without work just to ease into it. It's been a while since I've been back in school
Oh, that makes sense. Full-time school is already hard enough to budget time.
my gpa is good enough to get a scholarship for next semester I think, but I'll have to get a job next semester
Money is crazy. I feel like the system is all turned upside down. The times in our lives when we need money the most we have the least, and thats when we are in college
boom truth
When we have housing, getting married, least amount of time for work. Then when we get old and have the least to spend it on we have the most amount of money. So much that we can use it often
yeah for sure and retirement and all that so in australia the system is a lot more different college is free. In fact they pay you to attend
Whats it like over there What? Thats crazy! That makes so much more sense
and if you make a certain amount of income, you pay them back through slightly higher tax rates but if you don't meet the income threshold, they just conclude that the education didn't do anything for you so they don't make you pay it back
That makes sense. They want as many people to go to college as they can get to go.
right
Its almost like you don't have anything to lose if you go to college, except for maybe time.
and putting people in debt isn't the greatest thing for future tax income purposes
And even at that you still get payed Thats true too
that'll supress spending, and a lot of the debt will end up tax free anyway, which doesn't help them at all
Debt never really puts people in a good economical situation even countries.
yeah australia has a lot of good things going on no homelss mums are paid to have childrne minimum wage is 16 dollars college IT desk jobs pay 42 an hour the purchasing power is more or less the same as the US dollar so there's nothing relative about any of this
Dang! They do have a lot going for them. Never been there, but I also see they have a lot of beautiful places for tourists too That is a super high minimum wage!
right?? and it's amazing for travel
That could be good or bad, but it seems like its been working for them
because the currency is strong so you can travel for really cheap sure they have deficit problems like any other developed coutnry but they don't spend much on defense
Oh that makes sense too. One day I want to visit Australia. Especially Sydney!
because theyre such a big country there's no risk of invasion and they are friendly with all countries anyway
Is Sydney Australia all what its cracked up to be?
do it! you'll love it um I'd say hit up the other cities melbourne, brisbane or even perth
Ok, sounds good. Why not Sydney?
well it's good in an iconic way but the growing cities are melbourne and brisbane sydney is like ny in terms of fame but the growing cities are elsewhere
Oh that makes sense. Oh, funny thing, Ive never been to New York. I have been to LA though and completely know what you mean
right
Growing cities are really cool in a lot of places. I like to watch as new things are being built its all just so inspiring as the modern things come in
my guess is that we're both at about 160k in terms of points yeah for sure
yup, and honestly its been a pretty good conversation. I have really enjoyed visiting.
I've lived in big cities my whole life, but to be honest I like the utah environment a lot suburbs are cool, as long as the city isn't too far away
I really enjoy Utah too. Especially like provo. I grew up in a small town, and provo seems like its large, but yet it still has some features that are really nice that I like We are surrounded by mountains. There seem to be great people all around. The only thing that I miss are the field after field of crops
yea for sure freshman year I lived in helaman halls and I never left campus because I don didn't have a car or anything I'd only been to north provo, so pure suburbs and I didn't know that there was all of those shops and everything downtown
Oh, ya, downtown provo is pretty sweet
australia has a lot of fields tooo beautiful
I really like the feel that it gives you as you walk down center street.
it's as big as the states but less than 10 percent of the population
Its almost like a nostalgia feel Its as big in geography? I didn't know that
it's huge man look it up tied with china and the states in terms of land size
Thats what I'm doing right now
but there are only a few states and a few main cities
It is pretty big, I didn't realize it was that big until just now. I know that this is a bit of a stereotype of Australians, but is rugby a really big thing there?
huge sports in general is huge down there they watch a big variety of sports
What about soccer
not so much
I love soccer!
probably about the same as the states
Dang!!!
they like physical sports
oh, ok
and they haaaaate flopping
Wow.... What are you trying to say about soccer. just kidding.
australia is a weird working class culture, so they value hard honest work and don't really trust people who have it too easy so in their minds, that includes soccer players they want to see players fight and hurt eachother
haha. Do they play hockey too then? They probably don't play a lot of baseball then either, but I bet they play and watch a lot of football and rugby
they don't play hockey... unfortunately they do watch cricket though
oh, man, hockey is one of the craziest sports ever. You never know when they are going to get into a fight is always hot in australia or do they have all four season
depends again it's as big as the states so you have the spread of nevada and wisconsin
oh, that makes sense.
but a huge part of their land is desert so that's different and they have a lot of coast
You probably have places like Alaska down south and you probably have places like Texas up north
so interestingly, snow is almost non existent only in a few places
Oh, man, snow is like the best part of Utah!
a huge part of it is desert, another big tropical part
Thats probably the biggest part that I would miss going to Australia
and occasional forests here and there haha I'm not the biggest fan of snow.... it's great but such an inconvenience
While in LA between that and my family those were the biggest things I missed Its true, while driving it can be pretty bad But while having fun like skiing its so great! Is this your first winter in Utah?
this is my second! I guess the biggest reason why I'm adverse to it is that it affect my daily commute
Have you been skiing?
I get to everywhere by bike so I really can't stand the snow
Oh, that does suck pretty bad. Bikes and snow or rain don't go well together
it affects how long it takes to get to school, how often I can bike to friends places etc yeah.... and I like to wake up really early, which is terrible for cold weather
It seems to already be getting pretty cold right now. I feel like a bus or car is almost mandatory already and we havent even gotten snow. Haha. Thats just the weak me though. I used to be able to do better with the cold, but now it seems like any ounce of cold just freezes me to the bone
right I lost a lot of weight this year so even more so I'm freezing all the time I also want to be able to play the guitar without having to thaw my hands out first
Ya, me too! Ive lost quite a bit Do you play the guitar a lot I like playing, Im not that good at it yet, but I really like the ukulele Its been fun to learn and play
I play both of those! I I I am really obsessed with them I used to teach back home, helped me save up because music tutors make good money
Thats pretty cool! The ukulele is just so fun because its so simple yet you can create a lot of songs with it
for sure check out jake shimabukuro or kalei gamiao when you have the change chance
On youtube?
it'll open a whole new world yep
I just wrote them down. Do they teach how to play really good songs, or are they more of the performing side?
they are performers they will blow your mind there's been a movement of professional uke players that really push the boundaries
Sweet!
so that it's not just jason miraz and stuff anymore that's what I'm really passionate it
Ya, it seems like there are a ton of new Ukulele players Even twenty one pilots is using the ukulele in some of their songs
oh I didn't know that interesting yeah it's getting more attention. It hasn hasn't been very well respected as a serious musical instrument
ya, but it totally is. At least I think so, mainly cause its just so simple and fun! Check out Cant help falling in love by twenty one pilots
i will! are you chatting in class like I am? or do you have evening classes
Im actually at work! Haha But I might do that tomorrow! Which class are you in?
Finance 201 what do you do for work?? I'm always looking...
Im a media designer for the library Honestly the library on campus is super nice We have fairly flexible hours and get paid decent. and its not janitorial
oh cool wow how did you land that?
I don't really know, I got kinda lucky.
and what does media designer do?? make graphics and posters and all that wait whaaat you're going to have to explain more than that
I was looking on the student jobs and I saw a media designer and I was like, ya I could do that Ya, actually we are in the online media design department so we make almost solely digital media. Doesn't really get put to paper very often
so what does that ential online banners does that include videos and such? Man, I'd love to do something like that
Ya, we do the videos for the library.
so you have editing experience too?
or sometimes we will make tutorials for them for other departments of the library
....do you know if there are any spots I can find my way around final cut, or learn premier if I have to
Mainly the experience I have with editing is what I have done in this job. I have had a little before We don't have any spots right now. but
I don't know much in the way of after effects or post production past editing and color correction though ture.... true what is the pay like 12?
there is one person that is thinking about leaving to go work for the church... but thats not a for sure thing though.
LET ME KNOW that sounds like a blast I was thinking of doing a paid research position
It starts pay around 11 or 12 depending on experience
but that's a lot of additional pressure to do on top of school
paid research is pretty good. But ya, it does have a lot of pressure
sounds like a lot of fun
School is already busy as is
yea for sure hey I'm done with class and I'm going to walk over to the talmage you can stay on teh chat if you like because i'll be back on but feel free to look around for another chat if you want
I know that they also have other media departments in the library. You should check out studentjobs.byu.edu I think I'm actually going to leave work and head home now. Anyway... good talking to you. Good luck! I just switched over to my phone now. If you want I can continue in a second
what are your hours every week? since the labor is technically skileld does it ever get difficult and is it assignment based, or hourly
sorry, im back now. Just had to get home
welcome back!
Thanks!
so tell me about your hours and stuff man
My hours are pretty good! I get to pick them I can only get up to 20 hours a week though during the year. We are capped at that because we are forced part-time. But in the summer we can go up to 40 hours
haha byu avoiding those employment benefits so what was work today?
it was mainly talking to you! Haha. Just kidding. No I was making a tutorial for spanish literature
using what software?
Ive been using adobe illustrator Mainly for this project
that is seriously the coolest in a teaam?
although, when I will create the final thing I will design it in HTML, CSS and Javascript We are in a team, but when one of us has a project it is generally just that person that ends up finishing it We also use After effects, Premiere, and Photoshop
ah ok
And the coolest part is that because we use it at work, they give us our own personal licenses of the software
sounds like a lot of fun I'm looking through the website but only see custodial jobs ahha maybe the occasional store clerj
click on the tech/media or the computer tabs
yep just found it the website is ancient! you cant click on multiple links
Ya, the website needs work. I absolutely hate it, and the worst part is, I wish I could show them how to change it.
sounds like a good job... that could be an opening itself man I'd love to do some of the web dev stuff it's just theyre all looking for people with experience
thats true, I love web too, thats actually one reason I liked this job when looking. Its digital media with web. Outside of this though I feel it can be really hard to land a web job.
I'm sending them an email right now! " I have zero experience, but I'd be happy to work for free for a month to figure things out"
That might be a good way to get in the door. I think the other day I ended up seeing an opening for something in the family health and consumer sciences with design Not sure though, its been a while. But its probably still there.
awesome I always get so nervous with any change in general haha I have some terrible anciety but everything ends up being okay
Ya, I think I was too before I somehow landed this job. Now, it seems a little easier, as I often think, what do I have to lose
what was the interview like? and do you have a fancy CV and all that?
I'll be honest, I dont even know what a CV is. The interviews that I have had, has mainly just been sitting down and visiting about what we see my future like kinda weird but, whatever i guess One of them I had to take a javascript test. I didnt really want to work for them though. It didnt seem near as fun
cv = resume hahah so would you say that your job now is fun?
oh gotcha, ya, I did have to submit a resume. I absolutely love my job. I was talking about other interviews I have had in the past on campus some of them are good, some of them arent as much I haven't really had any kind of negative experience though
wow that's great have you had any other jobs
not on campus, only back home on farms or for constructions construction Just a question. Is there anyway to continue this chat later?
yea for sure we can just leave it on sorry about htat
no youre good, I was just curious how we could relink the chat. Cause I know that when you hit end it disconnects yo you
right well if we just get on at the same time
but I have someone else that is wanting to chat
chances are it will happen how are you chatting with multiple people?
Im not, I wish I could rack up multiple chats I just have a friend that is wanting to join and I cant figure out how to connect back up with you later. Like tomorrow or something
no worries man I already have enough points for a while so I'm sure we'll run in again thanks for the long conversation man hope all goes well
no worries you too talk to you later