Flatten The Curve Web App #911
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There are too many numbers for such a person. I guess "too many numbers"-feeling sets in every time he/she is presented with 4 or more numbers, and I don't think we can do much about it. We can try to alleviate using graphs and pictures but... Every tool, technology & way of explanation has it's limits. |
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@Bost in saying that, we could show only one table row for the results instead of 'total' and 'per million' depending on what the user has selected for the sort criteria. I.E If they're looking for confirmed cases total, we hide the millions row, and vice versa. |
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@carlaiau - Your App does not include 'The Netherlands' (Netherlands, or Nederland) for some reason. Definitely has ~1,400 confirmed cases and population over 3 million |
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I read a bit your code , perhaps the issue for France is that you don't consider it as a group of Provinces like UK , and that you capture a small territory value that is low at the contrary of mainland |
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"We want to show when these countries were at a similar level to New Zealand and how their situation has progressed since then. Each countries progression can be used as a potential forecast for New Zealand's future." No it cant. It really depends on the number and speed of tests done, the quality of the case tracking and of testing of tracked cases and the support for people who need to go into isolation. Other countries (like mine: Germany) with a doubling time of about 3 days are not doing such a good job. I would suggest to find the doubling time of your country and find an other country with the same doubling time to compare it to. |
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@TakeItAndRun You are correct, the fact that you can compare against lots of historical presents you different potential outcomes. Do you have an alternative proposed wording that could be used instead of the sentence?
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nice, i see a lot of potential in your app.... a bit of simplification and maybe more graphics than tables |
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@onepalone Thanks! Love to hear suggestions regarding simplification, and for the graphs I was always intending on making it graphical, but concerned with how this will function on mobile as we have limited horizontal viewport |
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@TakeItAndRun I have restructured the header of the page to highlight some of the issues you were concerned with. If you have some links to further information I am happy to also place these here |
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I like to have these tables with numbers, carefully selected. I don't understand the progression of X based on Y. |
Dear carlaiau I believe your method is inherently flawed. https://github.com/valeriupredoi/COVID-19_LINEAR We are starting a (partial) lock-down in Germany, today. So I would expect a deviation from the strait line in about 5 days. He even plotted the numbers for China, were you can see a change in the doubling time 4 days after the start of the lock-down: |
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Great job so far. It would be great to see the infection rate combined with the population density. |
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My Power BI app already shows country and US state new case volume trends over time. I think that is what you're talking about. You can flip thru various reports at the bottom of the page. It defaults to US states, but you can find country analysis in the earlier pages. I occasionally post observations on my LinkedIn page, https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-budde-249931/ |
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You also need to have a closer look at the contakt tracing for New Zealand. |
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I have added graphs to the site which help communicate the ideas quite a lot better. There is definitely room for incorporating a solid approach as you're describing @TakeItAndRun We could then quantify how each country's containment measures are working, as well as project based on doubling-rate. After this is incorporated, we can use the historical comparisons between other countries as just that, comparisons. Thanks for getting back to me and sharing links of the regression repo. I will spend some time on it later this week. Your feedback has been really helpful |
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Have a look at this and check out the links within to gitHub repo and data - I am updating these plots daily (and data as well). Also, let me know if you'd like me to run more stats, I am not a virologist |
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Thanks to everyone's feedback the application has evolved quite substantially from what it was initally. https://flattenthecurve.co.nz/ Brining in cumulative graphs were a game changer. I am still yet to bring the cumulative components into each countries view but that is the plan. As well as having per region comparisons within each country, if the country infection has spread enough. |
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Thanks for this awesome site! https://flattenthecurve.co.nz/
It could be intersesting to have a view that could show the number of cases/deaths relatively to the population if each country. This would highlight visually the specificity of Italy.
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Thanks to everyone's feedback the application has evolved quite substantially from what it was initally.
https://flattenthecurve.co.nz/
Brining in cumulative graphs were a game changer. I am still yet to bring the cumulative components into each countries view but that is the plan. As well as having per region comparisons within each country, if the country infection has spread enough.
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Carl,
Thanks for the site. It looks great. I like that you're norming by # of
days since 100th case. Consider also norming by population size. When I
look look only at Italy and the US, I see:
[image: Screen Shot 2020-03-22 at 9.59.37 AM.png]
This tells me that the US is on a steeper trajectory than Italy, and that's
true by raw number of confirmed cases. However, when I norm by population
size, I get
[image: image.png]
Same data, but two very different interpretations.
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Thanks to everyone's feedback the application has evolved quite
substantially from what it was initally.
https://flattenthecurve.co.nz/
Brining in cumulative graphs were a game changer. I am still yet to bring
the cumulative components into each countries view but that is the plan. As
well as having per region comparisons within each country, if the country
infection has spread enough.
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@carlaiau - great site, mate! Very easy to see what's going on. One thing: the UK reported deaths is wrong for a few points: I keep the record in a daily updated file here since the way the government agency releases this information is very tricky - they post it on their official site in the daily indicators file but that gets wiped off every day and recreated with the new daily data. Very sneaky if you ask me. Cheers |
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can cross check against my daily published data here (I ditched the github pages site coz I am bad at html haha) but there you can find the cleaned up data from Johns Hopkins and the official data from the UK - the Johns Hopkins data suffers here and there (repeated time stamps, some weird numbers for UK etc) |
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Carl, i can see how much your app has involved., really well done mate .. |
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@carlaiau I made JupyterNotebooks that gave the same visualisations but not so easy to use for everyone .... Just a remark , the date for France are always wrong because CSSE and worldometers take the official values for France + overseas territories as France and they keep also territories in their data set . After saying that , it's sad that so many of us are looking at these desesperating increasing values , without any possible helping action , apart to warn that almost all the countries are on the same trend than Italy (some are even worse like Spain and perhaps UK ) ..... |
Very true! You can volunteer to help here https://crowdfightcovid19.org/ (I did, I am not working on this part of my job). BTW the UK is not doing any worse than the rest of Europe, it's just that we should have done something about it sooner, since we had a bit of a delta compared to mainland |
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@valeriupredoi About UK , its not an advice or judgement , it's only on your death curves a sad observation All countries have issues , here in France there are huge polemics about the avaibility of masks . Alsace is our Lombardy , (as Wuhan area was some weeks ago) same difficulties , saturation of health services , and crual choices to be made .. |
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oh yeah true - I was and still am concerned about high deaths rate but I made two projections: black dotted line keeping the rate from two days ago constant, projected over 10 days, green dotted line - the same but keeping a 0.2 day-1 rate which is more like what we see with quarantined countries https://github.com/valeriupredoi/COVID-19_LINEAR/blob/master/country_plots/COVID-19_LIN_UK_DARK_SIM_UK.png |
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BTW the black dotted line is absolutely scary but totally possible, so you are quite right in your original post about the UK |
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So many curves are possible with one or two points :-( as you say, wait and see... |
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Thanks everyone for comments and great to see a lot of discussion here. I have just updated the readme about what I'm planning on doing next. |
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Quite a few changes now, New Zealand, United States, Australia, Canada and China have region based tables and graphing. I have switched the US data to https://covidtracking.com/ I really just need to keep collating different sources of region based data and getting it into the correct structure, then we can start giving lots of users region based views in their countries |





I'm currently working on a web app that is built on top of this data. The ideal user of the app is a non statistically minded person who doesn't fully appreciate how quickly an outbreak can escalate, and has no intuition of non linear growth. "Why is everyone been hysterical, there are only 8 cases" is the common sentence I hear in New Zealand and now there are 12 cases.
App: https://flattenthecurve.co.nz/
Repo: https://github.com/carlaiau/flatten-the-curve
Please let me know any feedback regarding this development and the repo is definitely open to PRs. Frontend is built using GatsbyJS. The app itself can definitely do with some work, I have been hacking it together while working on UI prototyping. Data Processing should be pulling directly from the github hosted CSVs but have needed to double check a few things up until this stage.
Thanks in advance, all feedback appreciated!
Please let me know if I need to include further data accreditation to this site
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