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Hide viewcounts from viewers by default #1302

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japhir opened this Issue Oct 18, 2018 · 6 comments

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commented Oct 18, 2018

As per my reddit comment, I'd like to request that we hide viewcounts from end-users by default. Content creators should still be able to see their own viewcounts.

The reason for this is probably a bit vague, but is well-explained by two professional YouTubers in the podcast Hello Internet Episode 109 at the 1:37:49 mark. My sloppy summary consists of two arguments: (1) View counts are very visible on YouTube and knowing how popular something is can influence whether you watch it or not. There aren't view counts on Netflix or hulu, just a recommendation percentage, which is based on your viewing habits. (2) Content creators are all aware of each other's view counts when they meet up, creating a lot of social pressure for more views, or an explicit ranking of how well people are doing, resulting in people burning out.

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commented Oct 18, 2018

I very much like this idea. We should make this feature as a setting, on a per channel basis and allow the channel owner/video uploader to override it on a per video basis.

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commented Oct 18, 2018

Great idea. One of my favorite differences between Mastodon and Twitter is that on masto the engagement metrics aren't in your face as much; more movement in this direction would be great.

And for creators, I've always been frustrated with the single 'views' number we're expected to use. I've found it much more useful to have data about how much people watch specific parts of that video, and YouTube makes this available to creators as a per-video graph. I'd love to have this info available more at-a-glance, seeing perhaps a small heat-map under each thumbnail showing which parts of the timeline get the most views and how much that compares with your own other content.

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commented Oct 18, 2018

Should we tie the display toggle of the view count to that of the like/dislike bar? A user suggested that on Mastodon.

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commented Oct 18, 2018

@rigelk I'd like that. Honestly, the like/dislike bar as a concept feels like something dragged over from YouTube without a real reason.

@Chocobozzz Chocobozzz changed the title Request: hide viewcounts from viewers by default Hide viewcounts from viewers by default Oct 19, 2018

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commented Oct 23, 2018

Another user on my instance suggested this, and I've been thinking more seriously about it.

One solution is to use view counts not as a directly visible metric, but as a way of explaining other choices the UI makes. For example, #1341 may want to explain the "trending" page sort by showing (in a tooltip or other non-default-visible place?) the recent views. And the tools for a creator/uploader could include some metrics that help creators decide what content is popular and what content isnt- but that doesn't necessarily have to take the form of a single number like we have now. View counts over a unit of time (like 'trending') and graphs showing view count history both may be more useful and less problematic than a youtube-style single view number.

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commented Feb 6, 2019

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Should we tie the display toggle of the view count to that of the like/dislike bar? A user suggested that on Mastodon.

YESSSS please! I was just about to suggest this as well. Would be great not transforming PeerTube into yet another social media (my source of inspiration).

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