Change first aid properties

[Hasleak]

I was thinking for a while about other properties of first aid, bandages and so on. What do you think about changing it usage. Maybe instead healing hp right after applying it, it should give you new status, like : dressed [body part] wound. it would heal some hp/time dependable of type of medicaments used and skill i.e. 5hp/h. What do you think about this?

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[kevingranade]

Sounds reasonable.

[i2amroy]

I'd be cool with switching over bandages and whatnot to a heal over time instead of an instant heal.

[KA101]

That'll surely change the fighting balance. Should help quiet all the folks who complain that the game's too easy.

[HuXTUS]

Only regeneration HP? Cure infection must be instantly (old behavior) or at the end of the process? Stop bleeding?

[Hasleak]

Instant but with a chance of success, depending on skills. If you will bandage your wound, bleeding should stop instantly, but according to player's skills. When you fail, wound will continue to bleed. Same for infections.

[Zireael07]

I like the idea a lot.

[KA101]

Yeah. General rule: bleeding, Deep Bite, and other status-effects (stuff that changes the label color) is fixed (or not) as soon as you've finished using the medical supplies. You either stopped the bleeding/cleaned the bite, or you didn't, and for game purposes you can clearly tell.

HP numbers/lines, though, will recover over time.

TImeline (probably overkill, but just so there's no confusion--apologies):
oh no, Bleeding Deep Bite
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whew, won the fight, ouch, bleeding damage, but look, convenient dropped First Aid Kit! grab
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(a)pply first aid kit, this takes a few minutes in-game (Bleeding suspended during the duration of kit-use, so people don't get prompted to stop stopping the bleeding because they took bleed damage)
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OK, cleaned the Deep Bite and stopped the bleeding. Status "Bandaged" (pink dots in the HP meter? not sure) Stable, but injured and in pain. Let's head home; that was a pretty good haul and no need to press our luck.
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Home, sort out the haul. Over the time it took to return home and process the results of the raid, we regen maybe half the HP lost*, thanks to Bandaged. Bandaged then times out, as full healing takes time.

*(maxHP - currentHP) / 2 = amount Bandaged heals over the next two hours? That's hypothetical and open to discussion.

[Hasleak]

I think bandage heal should have other formula because of unbalancing (or I dont understand). Lets get max HP of 100, and curret HP of a) 20, b)50.
In first example it bandage would heal (100-20)/2 = 40 hp over 2h
In second it would heal (100-50)/2 = 25 hp over 2h
I think bandages other items used to recover hp should have "Const" depending on their value and tier.
Formula should look more like this to balance it little more: (Const of Item * [Skill of First aid * 0.1])/time of being active
What do you think about it?

[KA101]

Not sold on that precise formula (seems like FA skill needs to be world-class (10) to avoid a penalty) but yeah, the general idea there is better than mine.

[Hasleak]

So we need to change FA to a constant value?

[KA101]

Make the multiplier 0.25--so the FA skill modifier is 1 at skill 4 (beginning EMT) and 2 at 8 (skilled ER surgeon)--and I'd be interested. 0.1 means that the top 20 docs in the world can bandage at full effectiveness, and everyone else just sorta tries.

Const should not be more than 5-6, I'd think. Result I'd like would be gaining no more than 10-12 HP over an hour or two. My take on FA healing over time is that it doesn't take you back to full--that's what sleep-healing and the more exotic stuff is for--but it patches you up and takes the edge off of damage.

[Hasleak]

I thought about something beetween 3-6 but i think 5 is the best option here. Multiplayer value set to 0.25 will be good, at least for me. But we will need to change properties of first aid kit too. Constant should be slightly higher than for bandages, but not too high, to prevent unbalancing. Maybe something about 10?

[wormingdead]

Should the amount of time it takes to bandage take into account how encumbered a body part is? Does it already?

[KA101]

...Probably should.

[kevingranade]

What does that change? It's already 'too slow to do in combat', right?

[KA101]

Depends on just how "in combat" you are. Can't stun someone and heal before it wears off, but if you've fled a hostile situation, hid two doors away from the hall, and need to stop bleeding or clean a wound, an extra 30 seconds might make a difference.

[Hasleak]

It might me good idea.

[illi-kun]

Discussion is continued in #16017.