Adds alternative recipe for fruit juice

[chaosvolt]

You should be able to squeeze enough juice from most fruits to get
drinkable results without adding water. Rather than a complete recipe
overhaul I added an alternative recipe. This requires twice the amount
of fruit and can only use fresh ingredients, in exchange for not
requiring water and returning twice the pulp.

Mainly purpose is for the rare situations like that discussed here ( http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=11006.0 ) where you have access to fruit but not clean water. Spending drink to procure a less efficient drink is an annoyance.

[Coolthulhu]

That would require rebalancing the numbers a bit. Look at the current juice stats vs. fruit stats:

What	Nutrition	Quench
1 juice + 2 pulps	24	37
4 blueberries	65	8
8 grapes	144	40
4 cherries	56	8

While some of those are obviously just the result of fruit juice recipe being wrong (8 grapes one), the berry ones shouldn't produce water just like that.
You could bump the amount of pulp produced and/or lower pulp quench (to slightly negative, assuming it's really sweet), while increasing the number of berries required. The input/output nutrition and quench should be roughly the same, at least for most common ingredients.

Would be good if you actually checked the numbers for all the common (bush/tree) fruit, preferably with a table like I posted.
If you don't know how to table, google+"github table" (there's a tutorial and it's a very low amount of work to table results).

[chaosvolt]

Hnng. Yeah, this was kind of just a raw, dumb doubling of input.

I guess the main thing is to look at the results and adjust the recipe accordingly. Hmm...

EDIT : Herpaderp, even I can table.

What	Nutrition	Quench
1 juice + 4 pulps	44	39
4 apples	64	12
4 apricots	64	12
4 bananas	48	0
4 blackberries	60	12
4 blueberries	65	8
4 cherries	56	8
12 cranberries	60	24
4 grapefruits	140	72
8 grapes	144	40
4 kiwis	44	12
4 lemons	20	20
4 mangos	60	12
8 melons	72	32
4 oranges	56	64
4 papayas	84	32
4 peaches	56	16
4 pears	52	28
4 pineapples	88	36
4 plums	76	16
4 pomegranates	108	48
4 raspberries	60	12
4 strawberries	72	12
2 watermelons	30	56

Yeah, it looks like this recipe is screwy in all sorts of fun ways.

[chaosvolt]

Hey wait a bloody minute. I multiplied the amount of juice pulp returned by the waterless recipe by 2 already, so this should be 1 juice plus 4 pulps. >.<

[chaosvolt]

New ratios.

What	Nutrition	Quench
1 juice + 4 pulps	64	19
4 apples	64	12
4 apricots	64	12
4 blackberries	60	12
4 blueberries	65	8
6 cherries	84	12
12 cranberries	60	24
2 grapefruits	70	36
4 grapes	72	20
6 kiwis	66	18
4 mangos	60	12
6 melons	54	24
3 papayas	63	24
5 peaches	70	20
4 pears	52	28
3 pineapples	66	27
4 plums	76	16
2 pomegranates	54	24
4 raspberries	60	12
4 strawberries	72	12
2 watermelons	30	56

These are still very screwy, but not to the same degree as before. Not even sure where to begin with fixing the watered-down juice recipe.

[Coolthulhu]

Almost all fruits have way more nutrition than juice+pulp. Bumping pulp nutrition and lowering quench would help.

[chaosvolt]

Slow starspawn is slow. Changed pulp from 10 nutrition and 1 quench to 15 nutrition and -4 quench.

Unless pushing it further would be desirable?

[Coolthulhu]

Obviously, slowdragon.

Unless your table uses old stats. I think it does, because 4*15 is certainly more than 44 and 4*-4+35 is certainly less than 39.

[chaosvolt]

Um...huh. I might've failed to adjust the table right, or do the math. x.x

EDIT: It also looks like Github ate your asterisks there. And I thought Skype was bad about doing that.

EDIT 2: I see what I did wrong. I took that initial 24/39 value and went off of that, forgetting that I needed to add 2 juice pulp's worth to it first.

EDIT 3: Ah. It should be 64/19 I think. I calculated the required amounts of fruit based off that amount, but forgot to update the juice entry to reflect that. The other values should be right.

[Coolthulhu]

Average nutrition/quench of all the fruit types in the recipe is: nutrition 63 quench 20
So 4*15+3 looks perfect for nutrition, while 4*-4+35 is only 1 off from the average.

However after deleting "rare" fruits (ones that don't drop from trees/bushes), the averages change to 65 for nutrition, but just 15 for quench, which would be better represented by dropping either pulp quench by another point or juice quench by 4 points.
Since -4 is already really low, nerfing juice here would look better than nerfing pulp more.

[chaosvolt]

Hmm. So I see, I guess I could reduce juice quench by a bit, that isn't too loco.

Not sure how the cost of fruit plus clean water will affect the required amounts for the watery version of the recipe, but that can be sorted out once the waterless version is squared away.

[Coolthulhu]

Or maybe... change the fruit juice to be 2 charges per stack, have 20 quench and buff back pulp.
That way the watery version could produce 2 juices (for 40 quench) and this one juice and 4 pulps (for 16 quench total). Nutrition per portion could stay.

Though I'm not sure if mapgen would like it.

[chaosvolt]

Hmm. Mapgen shouldn't be puking up any errors from stack tweaking, I hope.

Though wait, 2 juices from the water version? I'd need to instead keep the charges at 1 and give the watery version a result multiplier, I think.

[Coolthulhu]

There is a separate option to change stack sizes independently from default charges, though I'm not sure if it works for liquids.
And if mapgen wouldn't start spawning half-filled bottles of juice.

[chaosvolt]

Hmm. Not sure how the math will work out.

Fairly certain that mapgen should figure out how to fill it based on volume of container, I think. Hopefully. Then again I think liquids exclusively use the charges property without setting stack size.

EDIT: Yeah, I might have to give the watery version a result_mult of 2, leave charges at 1, and change pulp quench to -1, to get the results you're calculating. I've tried using result_mult to get partial stacks and it...doesn't like that.

[Coolthulhu]

Minor: juice is 2x as heavy as it should be (1L of juice is 2kg).

[chaosvolt]

Doh. Aw well, thank you for the merge. ^^"