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Vehicles: added boards with built-in storage. #3935

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commented Oct 29, 2013

Added - and | style boards that have compartments built in for storage. They are between trunks and boards in durability (700), and only store half of what a trunk can (200). They make logical sense, but they do potentially increase the storage available on a vehicle so there are potential balance issues. The durability and capacity are tentative values.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

How do you conceptualize this working? Is it an external compartment like the cargo bay on an inter-city bus, or internal pockets in a wall?

(If it's both...then critters ought to be able to get in somehow.)

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commented Oct 29, 2013

I was envisioning either of these:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Ambulance-interior.jpg (right side).
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http://www.800toolbox.com/service_body/utility_body-2.jpg
Ideally, if there was a mechanic that forced you to declare which side they are accessible from when installing, however I think that requires patching beyond just JSON.

For that matter a lot of "container" furniture, like a fridge, dresser or bookcase should have a "front" that the contents can be accessed from. However, due to how they work I know this currently isn't possible.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

Inside/outside is one thing, as that's whether there's a solid wall in the way. Getting at a dresser is another thing--you just reach around.

No objection to the idea itself, though.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

The storage values all need tweaking - every cargo square holds 400 volume right now. Seats really should hold less than that, and floor trunks should hold more. Boxes should hold more than seats but less than trunks.

That's another issue entirely, though. This is interesting, if a little weird due to the inside/outsideness.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

I actually need something like this board-storage for fire truck design, and I'll update the design properly if this PR will be landed.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

I'll poke around and see if I can find an easy way that you can flag them for access. I could see making 4 versions, one pair that is accessible if you're standing somewhere flagged "In" and another that you stand "outside". Technically, I have seen compartments that have doors on both sides of the compartment, but are too small for a human to pass though. Given nothing seems to be able to open a door (just bash 'em) I would think those would be secure (and the lowered durability would reflect the vulnerability).

On the topic of variable capacity: I was thinking of re-balancing values:
Trunks: 500 or 600 (highest, 25%-50% more than they do now)
Floor Trunks: 400 (old baseline, currently there is NO reason to pick a trunk over a floor trunk).
Seats: 200 (you can shove some stuff under it, and maybe a little bit next to the seat).
Bed: 350 or 400 (assume like the ambulance "bed/bench I linked", the raised platform has a compartment under it)
Box: 300 or 350 (and ideally enforce limit that trunks/floor trunks cannot be mounted on the "edge" of a vehicle, forcing a box or storage board if you want storage there).
Mounted Rack: 140 (would be a boxes floor trunk analog, imagine like a little rack you can strap a jerrycan onto, or two spare wheels).
Storage [built in] boards: 200 or 250 (33 to 50% of a proper trunk).
[I would certainly make a distinct pull request for re-sizing storage]

For that matter the RV kitchen, Weldrig, and FOODCO Buddy should be less (I would say 250-300 would be a fair value, depending on trunks capacity). I also propose a upgrade to the mounted forge to a mounted smith that acts as anvil, crucible, swage & die plus 250-300 storage.)

illi-kun: actually the addition of emergency vehicles partially inspired me.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

I'd lower the capacity on the kitchen unit et al even more; you'll probably have some kind of a counter, maybe shelving, and that's likely to be it.

I don't think trying to flag the parts as in/out manually is best. If it really becomes an issue, we can check to see that the player is standing in the vehicle they're trying to get stuff out of.

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commented Oct 29, 2013

I mean two pairs (a pair being horizontal and vertical glyphs) one pair that you have to be standing "on/in" the vehicle to access and the other pair you must NOT be on/in the vehicle to access. I can see cases where you might prefer one over the other. Internal would make sense on an ambulance or if you wanted more space you can access without getting out. The externally accessible one would be nice for dropping off loot (and would make sense on a firetruck).

I'm not dead set on making any distinction, I don't think it's strictly required for balance (only possibly for realism).

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commented Oct 29, 2013

Even with realism, ones with doors on both sides exist, so it's a nice to
have at best.
No problem with the concept of boards with storage, given the tradeoffs.

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commented Oct 30, 2013

Sounds good.

Tweaked Stow Boards
Changed Name to "stow board"
Made them harder to install than standard boards.

@kevingranade kevingranade merged commit 988e2de into CleverRaven:master Nov 9, 2013

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@kevingranade kevingranade changed the title Vehicles: added boards with built-in storage. [CR] Vehicles: added boards with built-in storage. Sep 20, 2014

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