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Intended purpose vocabulary: verify definitions #87

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siuc-nate opened this issue Sep 30, 2016 · 13 comments

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commented Sep 30, 2016

We need to make sure the definitions are correct - currently they are marked in red. Additionally, midCareer has a note of "experienced worker" that needs clarification.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iRj0vYCV3ZYETmQMLPNB2plmrxx50eFHWCBeCERZx14/edit#gid=0
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Edit: updated reference: http://credreg.net/ctdl/terms/IntendedPurpose

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commented Oct 2, 2016

I revised the "midCareer" definition to read "The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for mid-career, _experienced worker_ preparation and advancement of the holder."

I think that these definitions are in red simply because they were not turned black during the session when the team did a cursory review.

_I have not updated this vocabulary in GitHub._

@jkitchensSIUC jkitchensSIUC added UNSTABLE and removed UNSTABLE labels Nov 12, 2016

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commented Nov 15, 2016

This was emailed to Bob on Nov 14, 2016 by Jeanne.

Below is the ctdl:IntendedPurpose vocabulary. I’m thinking this one needs to be flagged as unstable. I put this in GitHub Issue 87 #87

We need your input ASAP on this one. See below. There’s not much to it but I don’t think we have received very good, usable input into this one and we should survey partners.

ctdl:IntendedPurpose purpose:GeneralEducation General Education The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for the general education of the holder.
ctdl:IntendedPurpose purpose:JobOrCareerPreparation Job/Career Preparation The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for job or career preparation of the holder.
ctdl:IntendedPurpose purpose:MidCareer Mid-Career Level The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for mid-career, experienced worker preparation and advancement of the holder.
ctdl:IntendedPurpose purpose:PriorExperience Prior Learning Experience The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for prior determining learning experience of the holder.

PER BOB>>>
Agree, unstable. We probably need to make this more simple because the real use of this was whether this credential has a career-related purpose or not and this evolved into a more complex vocabulary.

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@jkitchensSIUC jkitchensSIUC modified the milestones: Release - 2017-01-31, Release - Subsequent Nov 28, 2016

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commented Jan 3, 2017

We need to setup a google doc for this to determine next steps to either scrap or define this property.

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commented May 30, 2017

What are the next steps?

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commented Jul 21, 2017

We should review the required/minimum properties survey regarding this vocabulary.

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commented Jul 22, 2017

At a minimum, there is a disconnect between the definition of the ceterms:intendedPurpose property (framed as in terms of the intention of the "credential holder" and the concept definitions that are framed in terms of the intention of the credential creator.

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commented Jul 26, 2017

There is, but I think we're not too far off.

The terms in that vocabulary were invented way back in the early days of CTDL, and it kind of shows.

Anyway, from what I gather/remember, the purpose of that property and its vocabulary are to answer "why would you bother getting this credential?". We provide the following terms:

  • GeneralEducation: The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for the general education of the holder.
  • JobOrCareerPreparation: The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for job or career preparation of the holder.
  • MidCareer: The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for mid-career, experienced worker preparation and advancement of the holder.
  • PriorExperience: The purpose of the credential as identified by the relevant agent is for prior determining learning experience of the holder.

The first two make sense, but essentially boil down to a binary "do you get this credential for a job? yes/no" question that doesn't really provide any value to anyone looking for credentials, since any credential could be for a job (and nearly all of the ones we care about - that is to say, the subclasses of ceterms:Credential - would be).

I have reread the definitions for the second two, and I can't make heads or tails of either of them.

As best I can recall, MidCareer was intended for moving upwards or sideways within a company, but it definitely needs to be rewritten, and overlaps almost entirely with JobOrCareerPreparation (would you ever use only one and not the other?).

PriorExperience, from the label, sounds like something that would mean "this credential proves you already have experience in ____", but the definition doesn't say that at all (or if it does, I don't get that from reading it).

I also think it's overkill to have "job or career" preparation and not just one or the other.

Ultimately I don't see much real value in asking or answering the question of the purpose of getting a credential (particularly since it could vary from one person to another, and one situation to another, so it isn't really good metadata anyway), so I would suggest dropping the vocabulary and the property that points to it altogether. They're all unstable anyway.

But if we're going to keep it, then we need to, at a minimum, rewrite the definitions of MidCareer and PriorExperience to make sense and be clear.

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commented Aug 5, 2017

The "job or career" language signal different things:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Career_vs_Job

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commented Aug 8, 2017

We need to review the survey comments for this vocabulary.

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commented Apr 10, 2018

Per our 4-10-2018 call:

  • Stuart advises that we consider dropping this property and its vocabulary.

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commented Jun 5, 2018

@stuartasutton @siuc-nate I agree that it should be deprecated. I'm asking Scott to provide input.

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commented Apr 9, 2019

Per our 4-9-2019 meeting:

  1. Drop (not deprecate) the Intended Purpose concept scheme and all of its concepts.
  2. Explain that the decision is to not advance this to recommended status.
  3. Ensure that the change history reflects the removal
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commented Apr 10, 2019

These changes have been made in pending CTDL and noted in the history tracking.

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