From 53ae56f82d47197f13ebedba10684858d0eb7120 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Defender Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 10:21:05 -0500 Subject: [PATCH 1/3] Revert "Revert "added Virtualist Concepts (agents, environments, understanding space(s))"" This reverts commit cbe0d6cbf58a875fb4a0381b21b9f136ee07f714. --- Concepts.md | 99 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1 file changed, 99 insertions(+) diff --git a/Concepts.md b/Concepts.md index 2dd1fa2..4aab5c5 100644 --- a/Concepts.md +++ b/Concepts.md @@ -1,3 +1,102 @@ # Concepts This is a collection of concepts that are necessary for following & contributing to discussions within the open memetics commuity. It's a community curated shared language that tries to balance onboarding newcomers with expressing the necessary complexity at the frontier. + + +there are a few basic components that make up the relationships in an environment and i wrote up a small hopefully usable and buildable definition that we can start with to explain some other virtualist concepts: + + +Agents + +Agents act according to their desires and along a pre-predictive (not pre-determined) path. + + +Agents receive inputs, they process the information through their existing knowledge and experiences, and they compose an output for the world + + + + +The Environment +-The environment refers to the space where agents are contained. + + +In most contexts, it will refer to specific websites, locations, or “the internet” as a whole. + + +Environments can be modified in various ways + + + + +In an environment, agents produce signals. + +they do this (generally) in response to a different signal, or as a way to express some internal need. + + + + +Not all agents are authentic. + + +While many agents are genuine and truthseeking, some are either intentionally malevolent, uninformed, or a bot. + + +In these cases, we can use a few different terms for the ways signals are perceived + + +For now, lets keep it simple with “signaling that is true”, or “signaling that is false” (for whatever reason) + +these concepts allow us to learn more later, about infowar and information engagements + + + + + + + +When considering agents in the environment from an outside perspective, we need to also keep in perspective the subjective experiences of the agent. + + +For example, there will be times where the agent is presenting a truth that is a truth for them, but is a false in the “universal” sense of information. + + + + + +With many agents in an environment, there is cross contamination of signals, and dissonance between signals. + + +This can be thought of as a kind of “epistemic overload”, where it is unknown what is true and what is false. + + +This generates what Defender calls epistemic noise. Many agents are overwhelmed and unable to process enough information, even with advanced tactics. + +Many would say that this is a disaster. Having bots, malicious agents, tricksters, and more taking up the internet away from all the kind hearted truthers out there IN ADDITION to all the good kind hearted truthers. + + +Through this overload of information, agents can develop a sense for wading through epistemic noise. Codex called this “using nyquist theorem”, combining bits and pieces from multiple sources and comparing them to determine “real” information. + + +Familiarity with certain patterns of information can help form and craft the understanding space of an agent + + + + +Understanding space + +The understanding space is the information space that an agent contains. + + +In this paper https://vec2vec.github.io Harnessing the Universal Geometry of Embeddings + +the idea that is explored, is that all models share a universal “platonic representation space”. + + +This is the universal understanding space. It contains “information gathered” from all agents within, because it’s a superset that contains everything. + + + +Each agent inside of this superset has their own coordinates within “information embedding space”. They have their own understanding space that interacts with information in its own unique way. + + +This influences the way that incoming information, incoming entropy, interacts with their agent and the predicted response of the agent From 0722feab705a0fbdd42684926d7648951c53243f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Kat-Stack <82958359+Kat-Stack@users.noreply.github.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 12:27:30 -0600 Subject: [PATCH 2/3] Update Concepts.md --- Concepts.md | 5 +++++ 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+) diff --git a/Concepts.md b/Concepts.md index 4aab5c5..4315aaf 100644 --- a/Concepts.md +++ b/Concepts.md @@ -99,4 +99,9 @@ This is the universal understanding space. It contains “information gathered Each agent inside of this superset has their own coordinates within “information embedding space”. They have their own understanding space that interacts with information in its own unique way. +<<<<<<< Updated upstream This influences the way that incoming information, incoming entropy, interacts with their agent and the predicted response of the agent +======= + +This influences the way that incoming information, incoming entropy, interacts with their agent and the predicted response of the agent +>>>>>>> Stashed changes From 2afe4d83232d1dc60f17a0e7a344c6f1f885c2e4 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Kat-Stack <82958359+Kat-Stack@users.noreply.github.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 12:29:03 -0600 Subject: [PATCH 3/3] Update Concepts.md --- Concepts.md | 4 ---- 1 file changed, 4 deletions(-) diff --git a/Concepts.md b/Concepts.md index 4315aaf..fdcfc9a 100644 --- a/Concepts.md +++ b/Concepts.md @@ -99,9 +99,5 @@ This is the universal understanding space. It contains “information gathered Each agent inside of this superset has their own coordinates within “information embedding space”. They have their own understanding space that interacts with information in its own unique way. -<<<<<<< Updated upstream This influences the way that incoming information, incoming entropy, interacts with their agent and the predicted response of the agent -======= -This influences the way that incoming information, incoming entropy, interacts with their agent and the predicted response of the agent ->>>>>>> Stashed changes