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Look at whether there are any "no strings" funding sources to assist with the move #547

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ajlennon commented Jul 28, 2017

Without taking a position on whether DoES would wish to be involved with funding applications it might be helpful to document if there are any relevant funding sources available for DoES activities.

If not then the whole question obviously becomes much easier to answer.

Initial thoughts are that minimal requirements would be:

  • grant not loan
  • related to DoES community charitable status
  • no restriction on DoES self-volition

Actions that funding would support might include contributions towards

  • actual move costs

Man in a van etc.

  • costs of outfitting the new space

Furniture and fittings, tooling for the workshop

  • seeding technology innovation

Providing a space for people to be technology innovators in the North West

  • mentoring and apprenticeships

Providing a platform for DoES affiliated businesses, or those making use of DoES services, to engage with young people (and perhaps older people) wishing to embark upon a career in the technology industries.

May involve training, project work, internships, apprenticeships.

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I found this range of funds which looks like it might be the type of thing

http://www.nominettrust.org.uk/

I Am Digital

http://www.nominettrust.org.uk/iamdigital

"iAMDigital is a £1m fund from Nominet Trust and Creative England, investing in organisations working to increase digital inclusion and digital skills in England"

"What does the fund offer?
The fund is a partnership between Creative England and Nominet Trust
It offers investment in the form of interest-free loans or equity and requires organisations to demonstrate their social impact
Investments are between £50,000 and £200,000
These investments must be matched 50% by the applicant company; for example, an investment request of £50,000 must be matched by £50,000 additional private funding

Who is eligible?
iAMDigital is investing in organisations that have a strong track record of delivering results and are seeking to scale their approach to:

Tackling the barriers limiting people's digital capabilities: lack of access, skills, confidence and motivation
Increasing digital inclusion amongst those who are most marginalised
Demonstrating how the creative industries can increase digital inclusion

To be eligible your organisation must:
have a social mission and be able to demonstrate its social impact
have growth potential, scalability and an innovative approach
have an experienced management team
create or safeguard jobs as a result of the funding
support the growth of creative industries
be an SME (start up, early stage or established)
have your major operations and beneficiaries in England, outside of London"


Although if we wanted to get an application into iAMDigital we'd have to do it by Monday !!!

I don't know if this is suitable for DoES, if there is a wish to pursue this, or if it is achievable, but I figure if you don't ask you don't get so am happy to try to work on an application for Monday with others if there's an interest in doing this

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I found this range of funds which looks like it might be the type of thing

http://www.nominettrust.org.uk/

I Am Digital

http://www.nominettrust.org.uk/iamdigital

"iAMDigital is a £1m fund from Nominet Trust and Creative England, investing in organisations working to increase digital inclusion and digital skills in England"

"What does the fund offer?
The fund is a partnership between Creative England and Nominet Trust
It offers investment in the form of interest-free loans or equity and requires organisations to demonstrate their social impact
Investments are between £50,000 and £200,000
These investments must be matched 50% by the applicant company; for example, an investment request of £50,000 must be matched by £50,000 additional private funding

Who is eligible?
iAMDigital is investing in organisations that have a strong track record of delivering results and are seeking to scale their approach to:

Tackling the barriers limiting people's digital capabilities: lack of access, skills, confidence and motivation
Increasing digital inclusion amongst those who are most marginalised
Demonstrating how the creative industries can increase digital inclusion

To be eligible your organisation must:
have a social mission and be able to demonstrate its social impact
have growth potential, scalability and an innovative approach
have an experienced management team
create or safeguard jobs as a result of the funding
support the growth of creative industries
be an SME (start up, early stage or established)
have your major operations and beneficiaries in England, outside of London"


Although if we wanted to get an application into iAMDigital we'd have to do it by Monday !!!

I don't know if this is suitable for DoES, if there is a wish to pursue this, or if it is achievable, but I figure if you don't ask you don't get so am happy to try to work on an application for Monday with others if there's an interest in doing this

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Hmm - #IAmDigital seems to be an interest free loan, not a grant, so perhaps less interesting...

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ajlennon commented Jul 28, 2017

Hmm - #IAmDigital seems to be an interest free loan, not a grant, so perhaps less interesting...

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I don't know if this is any use: Lottery cash

You can apply if your organisation is a:

  • voluntary or community organisation
  • not-for-profit company or Community Interest Company

National Lottery Awards for All has three funding priorities and you must be able to tell us in your application how your project or activity will:

  • bring people together and build strong relationships in and across communities
  • improve the places and spaces that matter to communities
  • enable more people to fulfil their potential by working to address issues at the earliest possible stage.

We can fund:

  • equipment
  • one-off events
  • small capital projects
  • staff costs
  • training costs
  • transport
  • utilities/running costs
  • volunteer expenses.

We can’t fund:

  • alcohol
  • contingency costs, loans, endowments or interest
  • electricity generation and feed in tariff payments.
  • paying someone else to write your application
  • political or religious activities
  • profit making/fundraising activities
  • recoverable VAT
  • statutory activities
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SayBeano commented Jul 28, 2017

I don't know if this is any use: Lottery cash

You can apply if your organisation is a:

  • voluntary or community organisation
  • not-for-profit company or Community Interest Company

National Lottery Awards for All has three funding priorities and you must be able to tell us in your application how your project or activity will:

  • bring people together and build strong relationships in and across communities
  • improve the places and spaces that matter to communities
  • enable more people to fulfil their potential by working to address issues at the earliest possible stage.

We can fund:

  • equipment
  • one-off events
  • small capital projects
  • staff costs
  • training costs
  • transport
  • utilities/running costs
  • volunteer expenses.

We can’t fund:

  • alcohol
  • contingency costs, loans, endowments or interest
  • electricity generation and feed in tariff payments.
  • paying someone else to write your application
  • political or religious activities
  • profit making/fundraising activities
  • recoverable VAT
  • statutory activities
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https://www.beehivegiving.org/ - funding finder tool

http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/grants-awards/beyond-net-funding-programme - you'd have to be member of internet society

https://www.spacehive.com/

https://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/uk-wide/funding - this can be used for all sorts of things, talk to Liverpool Transition Network who can put you in touch with groups that have used it

https://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/powertochange - bigger version of above

https://www.lotterygoodcauses.org.uk/funding-finder

BTW, in terms of funding/grants/whatever, the aim is generally to accelerate something. Depending on funding supplier, that would either be more permadesks (accelerate capacity to bring in more money) or workshop space/equipment (accelerate better features available to community).

EDIT: Also, one other avenue to pursue is a repair/upcycle space (completely new aspect to DoES), particularly if it factors training locals to repair stuff or learn a trade.

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https://www.beehivegiving.org/ - funding finder tool

http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/grants-awards/beyond-net-funding-programme - you'd have to be member of internet society

https://www.spacehive.com/

https://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/uk-wide/funding - this can be used for all sorts of things, talk to Liverpool Transition Network who can put you in touch with groups that have used it

https://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/powertochange - bigger version of above

https://www.lotterygoodcauses.org.uk/funding-finder

BTW, in terms of funding/grants/whatever, the aim is generally to accelerate something. Depending on funding supplier, that would either be more permadesks (accelerate capacity to bring in more money) or workshop space/equipment (accelerate better features available to community).

EDIT: Also, one other avenue to pursue is a repair/upcycle space (completely new aspect to DoES), particularly if it factors training locals to repair stuff or learn a trade.

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Thanks all,

A note for anyone else, this came out of a conversation at the Organisers meeting (for which there are no notes yet), around one-off funding to support the move. We've also discussed previously crowd-sourcing (inc spacehive) for this area.

Alex - I agree, interest free loan not quite so good right now. It's also worth checking eligibility at the start, as though we're non-profit, we're not a charity and we could technically take out funds if we choose. Just an FYI.

Awards for All could be interesting. I think it's the only lottery fund we could be eligible for without a much bigger programme with staff etc, focusing in a particular direction. I know it reasonably well (I did 8 of them last summer), and I think it would be a stretch to match their target areas, but we should look properly. They will (all) have monitoring requirements and outcomes, and so that will be the interesting conversation ;). We should def. look.

The others are new to me. May I suggest that the starting point (for any application really, and to know whether we would meet the funding criteria) would be to identify:

  • What we would want to fund
  • What it would cost
  • What the outputs would be (what would happen as a result)
  • What the outcomes would be (What would be the positive change for individuals as a result)
  • Who the people are that things would change for
  • A starting sense of how we would measure that.

It might be there are smaller pots that don't require this, but all but a handful would want at least an idea of these. Happy to talk with anyone wanting to get stuck in, if useful.

(We'd also want to agree as a team before actually making any bids. :)

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stevesparrow commented Jul 28, 2017

Thanks all,

A note for anyone else, this came out of a conversation at the Organisers meeting (for which there are no notes yet), around one-off funding to support the move. We've also discussed previously crowd-sourcing (inc spacehive) for this area.

Alex - I agree, interest free loan not quite so good right now. It's also worth checking eligibility at the start, as though we're non-profit, we're not a charity and we could technically take out funds if we choose. Just an FYI.

Awards for All could be interesting. I think it's the only lottery fund we could be eligible for without a much bigger programme with staff etc, focusing in a particular direction. I know it reasonably well (I did 8 of them last summer), and I think it would be a stretch to match their target areas, but we should look properly. They will (all) have monitoring requirements and outcomes, and so that will be the interesting conversation ;). We should def. look.

The others are new to me. May I suggest that the starting point (for any application really, and to know whether we would meet the funding criteria) would be to identify:

  • What we would want to fund
  • What it would cost
  • What the outputs would be (what would happen as a result)
  • What the outcomes would be (What would be the positive change for individuals as a result)
  • Who the people are that things would change for
  • A starting sense of how we would measure that.

It might be there are smaller pots that don't require this, but all but a handful would want at least an idea of these. Happy to talk with anyone wanting to get stuck in, if useful.

(We'd also want to agree as a team before actually making any bids. :)

Cheers
Steve

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My bad. I don't want to divert the thread but I recall somebody mentioning something about options for legal structure for DoES. Are there any notes anywhere about pros and cons of CIC status versus charitable status and so forth?

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My bad. I don't want to divert the thread but I recall somebody mentioning something about options for legal structure for DoES. Are there any notes anywhere about pros and cons of CIC status versus charitable status and so forth?

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Somewhere. I was doing this and got rather stuck (and a knowledge/discovery level). The primary question is can we be a charity and still be DoES in all we are. I need to go back to LCVS for help. If you wanted to come with me - always welcome. The other question was limited by guarantee rather than share, which is where we run into issues. Not sure there is much on github, but I can update it shortly.

Somewhere. I was doing this and got rather stuck (and a knowledge/discovery level). The primary question is can we be a charity and still be DoES in all we are. I need to go back to LCVS for help. If you wanted to come with me - always welcome. The other question was limited by guarantee rather than share, which is where we run into issues. Not sure there is much on github, but I can update it shortly.

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I'll go anywhere if they have decent coffee. Let's make a date?

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I'll go anywhere if they have decent coffee. Let's make a date?

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Just a quick note to say that if you do want to have a look at applying for some one off funding to support us as we move, that could be great.

I absolutely don't want to us to be gatekeepers or stop anything happening on this.
It would be good though (essential really) if you could have a chat with someone about what we'd be applying for, and needing to deliver, before spending a lot of time on anything, to make sure we all know what we'd be getting into, and start from the same place, aiming for the same things. Patrick suggest we need a first point of contact, and that it should be me. I'm happy for that to be true initially.

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Just a quick note to say that if you do want to have a look at applying for some one off funding to support us as we move, that could be great.

I absolutely don't want to us to be gatekeepers or stop anything happening on this.
It would be good though (essential really) if you could have a chat with someone about what we'd be applying for, and needing to deliver, before spending a lot of time on anything, to make sure we all know what we'd be getting into, and start from the same place, aiming for the same things. Patrick suggest we need a first point of contact, and that it should be me. I'm happy for that to be true initially.

Thanks, Steve

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@ajlennon I've emailed Liverpool CVs to ask for a new appointment, or additional support, and copied you in. Thanks.

@ajlennon I've emailed Liverpool CVs to ask for a new appointment, or additional support, and copied you in. Thanks.

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On the lottery side I think Awards for all is the only option for DoES at the moment. They look for track record delivering funded programmes for their other strands. They, and most funders now are willing to fund constituted cic's as well as registered charities. So there's less incentive from a funding perspective to take on the additional regulatory burden of a formally registered charity.

There are often small pots available from places like the community foundation too. The tricky bit would be finding one that was prepared to cover move costs. Funders look for community benefits and generally numbers of beneficiaries. There's a lot of does activity that could potentially be fundable but organisation moves, like a lot of core costs, are difficult to fund.

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On the lottery side I think Awards for all is the only option for DoES at the moment. They look for track record delivering funded programmes for their other strands. They, and most funders now are willing to fund constituted cic's as well as registered charities. So there's less incentive from a funding perspective to take on the additional regulatory burden of a formally registered charity.

There are often small pots available from places like the community foundation too. The tricky bit would be finding one that was prepared to cover move costs. Funders look for community benefits and generally numbers of beneficiaries. There's a lot of does activity that could potentially be fundable but organisation moves, like a lot of core costs, are difficult to fund.

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Thanks Chris, that's good to hear about that CIC thing, and good advice all round. We had talked about refurb costs, and I agree it would be hard, and would I think need tying to increased activity of some kind? Do you think that might stand a chance?
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Thanks Chris, that's good to hear about that CIC thing, and good advice all round. We had talked about refurb costs, and I agree it would be hard, and would I think need tying to increased activity of some kind? Do you think that might stand a chance?
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http://awesomeliverpool.co.uk! It's only £500 but DoES moving to a new place is probably awesome enough to qualify you!

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zarino commented Sep 16, 2017

http://awesomeliverpool.co.uk! It's only £500 but DoES moving to a new place is probably awesome enough to qualify you!

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Any updates on this? I've been getting "Funding Central" emails for a few weeks but most things need to work in a specific locality or with disadvantaged demographics which we don't tend to do, certainly not simply by existing.

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Any updates on this? I've been getting "Funding Central" emails for a few weeks but most things need to work in a specific locality or with disadvantaged demographics which we don't tend to do, certainly not simply by existing.

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I don't think there's been much movement on it for some time.

I'm torn as to whether to leave this open or close it - if there are no-strings funding options available, then it makes sense to keep this live for the future. However, given that Christmas is fast approaching and we'll be moving within a few weeks after that, the idea of us being able to get an application in and accepted before that is pretty unlikely.

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I don't think there's been much movement on it for some time.

I'm torn as to whether to leave this open or close it - if there are no-strings funding options available, then it makes sense to keep this live for the future. However, given that Christmas is fast approaching and we'll be moving within a few weeks after that, the idea of us being able to get an application in and accepted before that is pretty unlikely.

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I've just remembered I saw this and tought of DoES, after I realised MakeFest isn't officially a thing that can benefit as it's not "set-up" to be identified like that, but DoES is...anyway - I read charity but it actually says "non-profit".

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I've just remembered I saw this and tought of DoES, after I realised MakeFest isn't officially a thing that can benefit as it's not "set-up" to be identified like that, but DoES is...anyway - I read charity but it actually says "non-profit".

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FYI - they've made smaller transactions than the millions you see to charities that've been advertised on the page...presuming therefore that it's not just big orgs that win...

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FYI - they've made smaller transactions than the millions you see to charities that've been advertised on the page...presuming therefore that it's not just big orgs that win...

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Worth a try, I'll apply.

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Worth a try, I'll apply.

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"What is the maximum [amount] you can accept, and reasonably use?"

Well there's a question!

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"What is the maximum [amount] you can accept, and reasonably use?"

Well there's a question!

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https://www.fundingcentral.org.uk/SchemeList.aspx?RF=NEWS&WCI=htmResults&WCU=CBC=View,DSCODE=OTSSCMLIVE,SCHEMEID=248-S41517,UDATA=SCHEMEVIEWBACK=HOME

That one almost felt applicable "Be able to demonstrate experience of working in and/or with disadvantaged communities." surely the whole of Liverpool counts these days? I guess they'd actually want more specific examples which we probably couldn't provide, and this is supposed to be for "projects" rather than general running costs, so it would require someone being willing to actually run a project.

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https://www.fundingcentral.org.uk/SchemeList.aspx?RF=NEWS&WCI=htmResults&WCU=CBC=View,DSCODE=OTSSCMLIVE,SCHEMEID=248-S41517,UDATA=SCHEMEVIEWBACK=HOME

That one almost felt applicable "Be able to demonstrate experience of working in and/or with disadvantaged communities." surely the whole of Liverpool counts these days? I guess they'd actually want more specific examples which we probably couldn't provide, and this is supposed to be for "projects" rather than general running costs, so it would require someone being willing to actually run a project.

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I think this has been superseded by #704 ;-)

On a more serious note, we don't seem to have gotten anywhere with the funding things we've investigated, so I'm going to close it.

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amcewen commented Mar 25, 2018

I think this has been superseded by #704 ;-)

On a more serious note, we don't seem to have gotten anywhere with the funding things we've investigated, so I'm going to close it.

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Which reminded me - can somebody with a way with words apply to Awesome Liverpool to ask them to donate their monthly £500 to our crowdfunder

http://awesomeliverpool.co.uk/#apply

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ajlennon commented Mar 25, 2018

Which reminded me - can somebody with a way with words apply to Awesome Liverpool to ask them to donate their monthly £500 to our crowdfunder

http://awesomeliverpool.co.uk/#apply

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