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Investigate if anybody in the Liverpool area offers access to CE / UL emissions testing kit #551

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ajlennon opened this Issue Aug 3, 2017 · 17 comments

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ajlennon commented Aug 3, 2017

Please make your issue:

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Business generally needs to CE and/or UL approve devices for sale.

This can be a costly exercise. In particular if the device fails testing and then must be retested.

The facility to perform self pre-testing at a location would be a valuable service for innovators to assist them in bringing product to market.

Thus the first question is whether anybody in the Liverpool area offers this service (e.g. Sensor City)

If not, a next question may be whether DoES or Sensor City or a.n.other may wish to offer sucha service.

A related question is what the kit would cost

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Posts to be provided below from research

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Yes

  • Responsible

Alex and anybody who fancies investigating

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Couple of weeks

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A little more research.

There is a place in the south that SMEs can attend to do their own testing

The EMC Test Club - http://www.emctestclub.com

£495 + VAT to join or £107 a month.

"our subscription entitles you to use the Club’s facilities for 24 hours each year, peak or off-peak. If you need more than 24 hours in the test rooms in any one membership year, you can buy extra stand-by or off-peak time." http://www.emctestclub.com/join_the_club___.html

From conversations with colleagues it can cost about £1000 a day to do approvals testing, for which you get a technician to help with the tests.

That will likely take at least a couple of days and if you run into any problems it can take much longer and become much more expensive.

It appears something of a black art.

To me a facility for SMEs to access equipment and a knowledge-base to perform CE, FCC, CCC, UL testing on an informal basis prior to formal testing could be a major benefit to the innovation IoT and embedded engineering communities.

Whether that is something it would be appropriate for DoES to offer, Sensor City to offer, or some other place I don't know, but I would like to explore this further a see a lot of upsides.

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A little more research.

There is a place in the south that SMEs can attend to do their own testing

The EMC Test Club - http://www.emctestclub.com

£495 + VAT to join or £107 a month.

"our subscription entitles you to use the Club’s facilities for 24 hours each year, peak or off-peak. If you need more than 24 hours in the test rooms in any one membership year, you can buy extra stand-by or off-peak time." http://www.emctestclub.com/join_the_club___.html

From conversations with colleagues it can cost about £1000 a day to do approvals testing, for which you get a technician to help with the tests.

That will likely take at least a couple of days and if you run into any problems it can take much longer and become much more expensive.

It appears something of a black art.

To me a facility for SMEs to access equipment and a knowledge-base to perform CE, FCC, CCC, UL testing on an informal basis prior to formal testing could be a major benefit to the innovation IoT and embedded engineering communities.

Whether that is something it would be appropriate for DoES to offer, Sensor City to offer, or some other place I don't know, but I would like to explore this further a see a lot of upsides.

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This is the kind of kit that is needed - http://www.laplace.co.uk/product/1/

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ajlennon commented Aug 3, 2017

This is the kind of kit that is needed - http://www.laplace.co.uk/product/1/

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Maybe you could ask for prices to UK Electronics in Royton www.ukelectronics.co.uk/emc-testing

martimorta commented Aug 31, 2017

Maybe you could ask for prices to UK Electronics in Royton www.ukelectronics.co.uk/emc-testing

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As far as I'm aware, pre-testing is a service that's accessible through sensor city (using one of the uni facilities). SMEs may be eligible for cost support through LCR4.0.

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As far as I'm aware, pre-testing is a service that's accessible through sensor city (using one of the uni facilities). SMEs may be eligible for cost support through LCR4.0.

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Yes I was hearing from Prof. Joe Spencer that this is something which can be done at Sensor City...

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Yes I was hearing from Prof. Joe Spencer that this is something which can be done at Sensor City...

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@DefProc do you know who I can talk to do get a complete list of what's available in the labs at S.C. ?

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@DefProc do you know who I can talk to do get a complete list of what's available in the labs at S.C. ?

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@ajlennon I'm not sure who the first point of contact should be, I'll check for you.

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@ajlennon I'm not sure who the first point of contact should be, I'll check for you.

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So say we somehow get kit to do emissions testing, does that person need to be specifically trained and accredited to be able to approve and certify a product for the market.

I'm just wondering whether it's worth the cost of buying equipment when we'd need someone to issue a Declaration of Conformity. Surely the costs comes mostly from having an accredited expert interpreting the results in a controlled lab.

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So say we somehow get kit to do emissions testing, does that person need to be specifically trained and accredited to be able to approve and certify a product for the market.

I'm just wondering whether it's worth the cost of buying equipment when we'd need someone to issue a Declaration of Conformity. Surely the costs comes mostly from having an accredited expert interpreting the results in a controlled lab.

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@de14n There is a talk coming up on this at Sensor City in Jan or maybe Feb. With a bit of luck the people from EMC Test Club (http://www.emctestclub.com/) may be coming up to discuss.

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@de14n There is a talk coming up on this at Sensor City in Jan or maybe Feb. With a bit of luck the people from EMC Test Club (http://www.emctestclub.com/) may be coming up to discuss.

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I would expect so but @DefProc is probably your best first port of call for info :) I'm hoping one of my colleagues will come up to sunny Liverpool to share his war stories about the black art of RF design...

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ajlennon commented Nov 30, 2017

I would expect so but @DefProc is probably your best first port of call for info :) I'm hoping one of my colleagues will come up to sunny Liverpool to share his war stories about the black art of RF design...

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Hi @de14n I am interested in the book. Thanks!

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Hi @de14n I am interested in the book. Thanks!

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Awesome. Would love to have a chat with you about this some time

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ajlennon commented Nov 30, 2017

Awesome. Would love to have a chat with you about this some time

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As it appears we won't be looking to do this ourselves, and the question posed in the thread title looks to have been answered, I'm closing this thread.

If anyone wants to revive it to continue the discussion, or take that to the Google Group where it might enjoy wider notice, please feel free :)

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DoESsean commented Dec 19, 2017

As it appears we won't be looking to do this ourselves, and the question posed in the thread title looks to have been answered, I'm closing this thread.

If anyone wants to revive it to continue the discussion, or take that to the Google Group where it might enjoy wider notice, please feel free :)

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