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Clean the windows in the kitchen #714

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amcewen opened this Issue Mar 24, 2018 · 16 comments

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amcewen commented Mar 24, 2018

Scrub the windows, ideally before the cupboard between the kitchen and nook is finished

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zarino commented Mar 25, 2018

We tried cleaning these windows with Mr Muscle glass cleaning spray and a cloth today, and annoyingly a film of grime remains, no matter how much you repeat the process.

I'm seeing suggestions online for making up your own window cleaner (8 parts water, 1 part vinegar, splash of washing up liquid), spraying it on, and scrubbing with a soft bristle brush.

If that doesn't work, I know some cleaning creams ("bar keepers friend" etc) are safe to use on glass, and will probably do a better job of cutting through the film/scale on the surface.

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ajlennon commented Mar 25, 2018

The metal frames seem to be in a state of disrepair too. Do we need to do something about that at some point? What would we do? Gloss paint the metal?

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magman2112 commented Mar 25, 2018

I also have some glass cleaning products that I can bring in, to see if any can clear the grime.

For the frames, I would suggest a stiff brush, possibly a wire brush to remove any loose surface material, as a first pass, then see what we want to do next. Painting would be a significant exercise.

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drfraz commented Mar 25, 2018

The internal windows are very delicate at the moment. I scrubbed most of the ones in the nook & the walled off space but not the kitchen area.
They will need some new grout as much of it is falling off.
with wooden frames the glass is normally also secured with some nails but with metal frames I think it is just the grout, so be very careful about pushing from the north side.
The frames could be scrubbed with a wire brush, lightly sanded then sprayed with Hammerite for an easy win.

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zarino commented Mar 25, 2018

Update: Tried washing up liquid solution on the glass, and it wasn’t strong enough.

I'm planning to be in on Friday – I will bring some cleaning products with me, and have a go, unless I hear otherwise.

Agree that the windows need re-grouting on the south-facing sides (events room and Room 29). But I wonder whether that’s something we could delay until after the craziness of the move?

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magman2112 commented Mar 25, 2018

I believe the “grout” is just basic glazing putty. Where it is brittle, this can be removed and just replaced with normal putty. This should also be done for the few broken panes of glass in these windows.

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drfraz commented Mar 25, 2018

The grouting will be fairly simple, although a bit time consuming & can wait till after the move.
I could mask off the windows & spray the frames on the north side next weekend

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zarino commented Mar 29, 2018

Quick update – I’m planning to come and scrub up these windows this evening. Will report back with how it goes.

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magman2112 commented Mar 29, 2018

@zarino I left some window cleaning spray in “Room 29” that appears to clean the windows very well, though I would suggest a good wash with soapy water first before using the cleaning fluid. I tried it on a couple of panes in this room, so see if you can spot the clean ones :-) (one of which still needs a bit more cleaning on the nook side).

The cleaner is called Nilglass and was on the wood working bench when I left it yesterday. I also left a Stanley knife blade, which can be used to scrape paint spots off the glass.

For the window frames, I would suggest a stiff brush, then a scouring pad to remove any loose surface material. On the kitchenette side, I would also suggest putting unopened bin bags down over the loose floorboards adjacent to the window, so that any spilt water doesn’t leak through to the folks downstairs.

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zarino commented Mar 30, 2018

@drfraz and I spent a few hours cleaning the kitchen windows last night. They’ve been soap-water washed on both sides, and maybe a dozen of them have also been cleaned both sides with glass cleaner.

Of those, about 7 have come out sparkling (green masking tape ticks in the photo below), the rest seem to be covered in limescale that we just can’t remove. @amcewen says he’ll bring some Viakal today, so I will try that later.

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We couldn’t reach some of the windows on the events room side, because the big disassembled laser cutter is in the way, and there weren’t enough of us there last night to move it.

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drfraz commented Apr 1, 2018

Now the window frames, if not all the windows are clean I was planning to paint the frames on the Kitchen/ north side next weekend.
Does anyone have any objections to Black Hammerite? It doesn't require primer & the finish will help hide all the lumps & bumps.
I was also going to renew the putty at some point & would be able to remove the glass and move it around so that all the patterned glass is on the bottom 2 rows in the kitchen.
We could also Laser etch it at this point with the DoES logo.
Any other suggestions welcome, I thought 1 pane with all the names that donated to the crowd-funder?

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zarino commented Apr 2, 2018

Does anyone have any objections to Black Hammerite?

Looks like Hammerite doesn’t do dark grey, so I guess Black is the next best thing. 👍

remove the glass and move it around so that all the patterned glass is on the bottom 2 rows in the kitchen

I’m not so sure about this. Part of the charm is in the random distribution of the patterned panes. If we line them all up at the bottom, I think it’ll look a bit weird.

We could also Laser etch it at this point with the DoES logo.

Can’t remember whether I mentioned this before, but I don’t see the point of lasering our logo onto window panes. Like, literally, what’s the point?

I thought 1 pane with all the names that donated to the crowd-funder?

This is a cute idea. Especially if we can lay it out such that the names properly fill the glass, so from a distance it’ll just look like one of the other patterned panes, but up close, you will realise it’s a list of names.

All this talk of laser etching, though, feels like running before we can walk. Most of the windows are still covered in crap. As someone who’s going to be in that space 9–5 most days pretty soon, I’d rank crystal clear windows far higher than novelty etchings, on my list of priorities.

What do other people think?

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ajlennon commented Apr 2, 2018

The cleaning and painting sounds a great idea. I do think the random distribution looks better than it would if it were rearranged.... I like the idea of the etched names somewhere... I think etched named of everybody involved in the move with a date would be a cute legacy too...

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amcewen commented Apr 2, 2018

The main argument I could see for arranging the patterned panes at the bottom would be that it would provide some privacy for the events room, in case people are having confidential meetings in there and don't want to be overlooked by the kitchen (assuming we eventually do something to cover the massive hole with a hatch :-)

Etching names-wise, we do have a crowdfunder reward that is aiming to do just that... would be a nice way to fulfill that reward IMHO.

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johnmckerrell commented Apr 23, 2018

Did we actually get around to fully cleaning the kitchen side of these? I don't know if anyone got around to moving any panes but I think it could be good to make sure the bottom 2 (?) rows were patterned for the privacy aspect. As they're all different patterns I don't think it would detract from the randomness of it.

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