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Rural #272
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mark-jensen
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Jan 11, 2016
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Any progress here? |
mark-jensen
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Jan 11, 2016
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This UN doc may be of help. |
I'd be more inclined to go this route, as this seems more like an aggregation based on some quality. Is there no clear definition offered by a UN-linked resource? From the doc you linked to:
This suggests that this is going to get quite involved. |
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I think we should tag all ENVO classes that could be "rural" with an SDG-linked synonym. We can't 'solve' the semantic problem here, just better represent it. Alternatively, we can create an SDGIO class for rural, import all ENVO classes that are relevant, create new ones where needed, and axiomatise the SDGIO class definition to include all of them. Subclasses in SDGIO can be used to define different flavors or rurality. |
pbuttigieg
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The OECD definition is very PCO-ish @rlwalls2008:
The wording is odd, but the idea of population density will be key for this and the other anthropogenic biomes in ENVO. Are there any semantics for population density present? |
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mark-jensen
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Drafted a class for I put it under A second question is if it should be widened in scope to include non-anthropogenic areas/biomes, such as forests. Some criteria for rural may include unpopulated areas. @pbuttigieg @cmungall Thoughts? definition: A anthropogenic terrestrial biome that isn't a dense settlement biome, with a population density below some established threshold. |
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mark-jensen
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I edited the comment above to reflect a fix in sdgio-edit.owl because of an error I made. |
The features refer to the actual entities themselves (buildings, streets, etc) while the biome classes refer to the ecosystem surrounding them, defined by community composition. I think this class is more aligned to the former. Also, "rural" does not belong to either - as we discussed, the primary label should be as clear as possible - we're talking about "rural settlements" or similar. Best to add an annotation property like 'UNEP preferred label' (documented on a new wiki page for user-group-specific features) and add "rural" there. @cmungall and I can cook up an export.
We should probably create subclasses here, or new classes altogether as this would not be a subclass of "populated place" . This SDGIO:'rural area' (?) class would then aggregate all these possibilities (which may be scattered among the ENVO hierarchies for the semantics to make sense). I anticipate we'll see a lot more of these due to the national and sub-national definitional heterogeneity, so we should also document our strategies on a wiki page ("Handling definitional variation" or similar). @mark-jensen, could you create it and transfer the gist of these discussions? I'm currently in favour of the model where we create SDGIO classes that aggregate and map to all the ENVO classes needed. This way, we show that it's a definitional issue, rather than an issue with the logic of representing bona fide entities. |
mark-jensen
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Jan 28, 2016
@pbuttigieg I see there is a |
mark-jensen
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Jan 28, 2016
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'rural' usage in SD goals, targets, indicators:
We have
GEMET and UN Thesaurus show a few other uses, such as 'rural development' or 'rural education'. However, I take it that all uses hinge on geographical area, which is primary, and typically determined (for statistical purposes at least) by considering population density. I believe my original definition above is mostly on track, but needs to be altered to reflect the the fact is it a geographic region or area that has a low density population. Since ENVO
I will then add a term for We will also need to have a way in SDGIO to link the word 'rural' to all these uses. That will be discussed on a different thread on the SDGIO site. @pbuttigieg @cmungall @rlwalls2008 A lot to parse here, but your feedback is appreciated. |
I think ENVO can handle this one too, but I could also see this in SDGIO.
This is workable, I'll add it and release ENVO again later today.
Wouldn't this just be a question of importing/creating all acceptable definitions and using ORs in a aggregating axiom for |
mark-jensen
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Feb 2, 2016
Yes, I think that makes sense. We had also discussed using an annotation property, but I don't think that is going to satisfy UNEPs needs. Better to have an organizational class with some loose textual definition or elucidation. Asserting |
I definitely think it will be a continuant, but its dependence or independence is less clear. |
mark-jensen
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Feb 2, 2016
If we follow this pattern, would it make sense then to have |
I have the feeling that this should be in SDGIO as the "formalities" are somewhat specific. On the other hand, we can treat these the same way we treat population thresholds - the document that formalises the settlement must be some instance of a yet-to-be created information artifact class. For speed, let's create it in ENVO and then debate this in a new issue if needed. |
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There is a paper by Stefan Schulz on applying this sort of pattern for Will try and look it out later... On 2 Feb 2016, at 6:30, Mark Jensen wrote:
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mark-jensen
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Feb 3, 2016
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@cmungall I seem to recall that as well. When you find, please send along. Thanks! |
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@mark-jensen I think you can also pull in |
This sounds great. Useful for writing up too. |
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mark-jensen commentedDec 2, 2015
There is need in SDGIO for a term that refers to rural geographical regions and populations.
Presumably this would be somewhere under
anthropogenic terrestrial biome, perhaps as a superclass tocropland biome,village biome, andrangeland biome.Another option might be a composed class, such as:
'rural biome' equivalent to 'anthropogenic terrestrial biome' and not 'dense settlement biome'
Would that be too inclusive?