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Various kvg:phon element value meanings are unclear #312

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kanji/05951.svg has a meaningless/undocumented kvg:phon value of "2+3+2+6+刀".

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  1. benkasminbullock commented on Apr 16, 2022

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    Similarly kanji/061b2.svg has kvg:phon="宀+2+3+2+2+罒". I guess there are a lot more of these.

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    DocumentationErrors and omissions in the KanjiVG documentation
    MissingThings which should be there but aren't
    on Apr 16, 2022
  3. benkasminbullock commented on Apr 16, 2022

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    This is a more or less complete list of these things:

    kanji/04ee5.svg:	<g id="kvg:04ee5-g1" kvg:position="left" kvg:phon="3+6+1">
    kanji/04faf.svg:	<g id="kvg:04faf-g2" kvg:position="right" kvg:phon="11+2+矢">
    kanji/05951.svg:	<g id="kvg:05951-g1" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="2+3+2+6+刀">
    kanji/061b2.svg:	<g id="kvg:061b2-g1" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="宀+2+3+2+2+罒">
    kanji/06e0b.svg:	<g id="kvg:06e0b-g2" kvg:position="right" kvg:phon="止+冫+4+1">
    kanji/07121.svg:	<g id="kvg:07121-g1" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="丿+2+一+3+3+3+3+2">
    kanji/0821e.svg:	<g id="kvg:0821e-g1" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="丿+2+一+3+3+3+3+2">
    kanji/08a89.svg:	<g id="kvg:08a89-g1" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="つ+2+八">
    kanji/09006.svg:	<g id="kvg:09006-g1" kvg:phon="1+4+2+屮">
    kanji/09042.svg:	<g id="kvg:09042-g1" kvg:phon="1+4+豕">
    kanji/09063.svg:	<g id="kvg:09063-g1" kvg:phon="中+2+3+11+2+11+2">
    kanji/0968a.svg:	<g id="kvg:0968a-g2" kvg:position="right" kvg:phon="1+4+豕">
    kanji/0970a.svg:	<g id="kvg:0970a-g1" kvg:element="雨" kvg:variant="true" kvg:position="top" kvg:radical="general" kvg:phon="雨+2/1">
    kanji/0970a.svg:			<g id="kvg:0970a-g4" kvg:position="top" kvg:phon="雨+2/2">
    
  4. changed the title [-]kanji/05951.svg has odd kvg:pron element[/-] [+]kanji/05951.svg has odd kvg:phon element[/+] on Apr 16, 2022
  5. changed the title [-]kanji/05951.svg has odd kvg:phon element[/-] [+]Various kvg:phon element value meanings are unclear[/+] on Apr 17, 2022
  6. benkasminbullock commented on May 27, 2022

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    In place of this bug report, I've made a note here:

    https://kanjivg.tagaini.net/known-problems#kvg-phon-undocumented

    It would make sense to simply remove the kvg:phon attributes, since their current use is arbitrary, inconsistent and undocumented.

  7. EveTrudy commented on Jul 24, 2026

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    2 means yoko, 3 means tate, 5 means hane, and so on. Each number represents a stroke type.
    “つ” means “ツ”.

  8. benkasminbullock commented on Jul 24, 2026

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    Even if the numbers have a meaning of some kind, they are inconsistently applied to the data, which means nobody can use them for anything. The only way keeping the numbers would make sense would be if someone was to add all the numbers to all the data consistently and document what they meant. I don't see anybody volunteering to do that, so the best thing really is to remove the partial addition.

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