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Find centre points for the 32 areas of Liverpool #4

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amcewen opened this issue May 25, 2020 · 13 comments
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Find centre points for the 32 areas of Liverpool #4

amcewen opened this issue May 25, 2020 · 13 comments

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@amcewen amcewen commented May 25, 2020

To make #3 easy, and probably so we can include labels, etc. on the site itself, I think we'll need a JSON file containing details of each area we're going to show. The hard bit is finding the geographic centres of everywhere, but finding those also doesn't require any coding :-)

  • City centre
  • Aigburth
  • Anfield
  • Bootle
  • Broad Green
  • Calderstones
  • Childwall
  • Clubmoor
  • Dingle
  • Edge Hill
  • Everton
  • Fairfield
  • Fazakerley
  • Grassendale
  • Kensington
  • Kirkdale
  • Knotty Ash
  • Mossley Hill
  • Newsham
  • Norris Green
  • Old Swan
  • Orrell
  • Princes Park
  • Seaforth
  • Sefton Park
  • Toxteth
  • Tuebrook
  • Vauxhall
  • Victoria Park
  • Walton
  • Waterloo
  • Wavertree
  • West Derby

To find the lat/lon of somewhere:

  1. Find it in www.openstreetmap.org
  2. Right-click on the exact point you're after
  3. Choose "Centre map here" from the menu
  4. Then copy the last two numbers in the URL. E.g. for Anfield, the URL is https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.4328/-2.9547 and so the lat/lon is 53.4328/-2.9547
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@amcewen amcewen commented May 25, 2020

The centre of Anfield is the crossroads of Utting Avenue and Priory Road, which is at 53.4328/-2.9547

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 1, 2020

For West Derby, presumably it's just in front of St. Mary's church, which is 53.43261/-2.90927

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 7, 2020

Is the centre of Toxteth the cross-roads by the fire station and Squash Nutrition? That's 53.39136/-2.96725

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 7, 2020

From twitter

Aigburth is Steve’s Chippy. Mossley Hill is Dovedale School. Old Swan is the Costa Coffee opposite Tesco. Childwall is the Halfway House

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@DuncReid DuncReid commented Jun 8, 2020

The centre of an area is an interesting discussion - should it be population density, most recognisable point, pedestrian use or services density? And I would say all of these factor in as well as the obvious geographic requirements to be roughly central and reasonable equidistant from adjacent areas.

I would suggest for Bootle, the Southern end of The Strand Shopping Centre where the Leeds/Liverpool Canal crosses under Stanley Road satisfies these points with most Bootle residents these days probably identifying the Council Offices and Strand as the active centre of the district.

Lat/Long: 53.4509/-2.9904

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@DuncReid DuncReid commented Jun 8, 2020

So far as Seaforth goes, the temptation to look near the railway station (perhaps at Stella Precinct) should be resisted as it actually lies right on the SE boundary.

Given that the area includes part of Rimrose Valley, I suggest the roundabout at the junction of Sandy Lane & Ewart Rd would make a suitable point - although also musing that if biased towards housing/residential density, there could be a case to move more towards Rawson Road.

53.46781/-3.01111

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@DuncReid DuncReid commented Jun 8, 2020

I'd also argue for including Waterloo - for the obvious reasons of residency!

In which case, the temptation is to head for the railway station on the popular retail South Road but this tends to ignore the equally popular St John's Road and the fact that the area stretches both sides of the A565.

So in spite of the fact that many buildings in the area are tagged with the 'Crosby' moniker, I'd suggest The Plaza cinema as a good starting point at 53.47721/-3.02307

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 8, 2020

Thanks for those @DuncReid. Now added. I've also invited you to the "organisation", in case you want to start playing around with anything in more depth.

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 27, 2020

Is St. George's Hall a good centre point for the city centre? That's at 53.40820/-2.97991.

That doesn't quite reach the Pier Head, so you could argue that the site of the Castle, which is where the Victoria Monument in Derby Square is (right?) would be a better option... I think that only works if we broke out the Georgian Quarter and Fabric District as separate areas though, so let's leave it for now.

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 27, 2020

From twitter, Wavertree Town Hall would be a good starting point for Wavertree. That's 53.39846/-2.91762

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jun 30, 2020

From The Scottie Press:

Hey Adrian, probably halfway down Vauxhall Road by Stanley Dock canal entrance is the centre of Vauxhall and about halfway down St Domingo Rd in Everton. That's not official but best estimation, hope it helps!

The would be here for Vauxhall, so 53.42220/-2.98908, and for for Everton it would be the Our Lady Immaculate Church, which is 53.42755/-2.97323

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jul 20, 2020

For Walton, I'm told Walton church is the centre which is here, so 53.44636/-2.96689

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@amcewen amcewen commented Jul 20, 2020

For Clubmoor/Norris Green/Tuebrook, Jim Noakes said...

Most people wouldn’t think of having a centre to Clubmoor tbh For Norris Green (the area not just the ward) it’d centre around Broadway. For Tuebrook - WD Rd. Spoken to Carlos Moreno a couple of times around city concepts and 15 min neighbourhood!

I'm going with Norris Green library to maybe provide a bit of room to add Clubmoor (not sure exactly what to do about that at present), which is 53.44274/-2.93143

And one of the pedestrian crossings on West Derby Road for Tuebrook - skewed a bit towards one end to leave room for Newsham. So that's 53.42471/-2.93201

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