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Cannot donate using PayPal. How to donate? #1807

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Maximus5 opened this Issue Jul 31, 2015 · 20 comments

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Originally reported on Google Code with ID 1808

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I wanted to donate to ConEmu. However I cannot do it with PayPal. PayPal will not send
the money to Russian account. I don't want to do it with flattr, because I want to
control the amount and not split it. 

Any other way to donate?



Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-12 22:12:57

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Is WebMoney transfer an option?

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-13 22:28:33

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Is WebMoney transfer an option?

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-13 22:28:33

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I looked into this WebMoney thing. Looks like quite the favorite in Russia :)

I have signed up and need to add a purse. I must admit that I have sort of no idea
what to do now. Do I need a WMR purse to transfer to you? Can I use a credit card to
top up a purse? (Bank transfers are a HUGE fucking hassle in Iceland since the financial
collapse.)

If you want to accept donation, and since PayPal are such idiots not to send money
to Russian accounts, maybe you could write up a small how-to page?

Or if if you know flattr actually works, I can just use that. Seems like the simplest
option now :)

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 12:41:20

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

I looked into this WebMoney thing. Looks like quite the favorite in Russia :)

I have signed up and need to add a purse. I must admit that I have sort of no idea
what to do now. Do I need a WMR purse to transfer to you? Can I use a credit card to
top up a purse? (Bank transfers are a HUGE fucking hassle in Iceland since the financial
collapse.)

If you want to accept donation, and since PayPal are such idiots not to send money
to Russian accounts, maybe you could write up a small how-to page?

Or if if you know flattr actually works, I can just use that. Seems like the simplest
option now :)

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 12:41:20

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I'm almost new to webmoney too. Still looking for options...

AFAIK you need to create WME or WMZ purse and fill it. After that you may transfer
WME or WMZ to another user (ConEmu's) purse.

As for flattr. AFAIK you choose "month amount" which will be divided to all creators
flattred by you (flattred during current month? I'm not sure).

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-14 12:52:37

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

I'm almost new to webmoney too. Still looking for options...

AFAIK you need to create WME or WMZ purse and fill it. After that you may transfer
WME or WMZ to another user (ConEmu's) purse.

As for flattr. AFAIK you choose "month amount" which will be divided to all creators
flattred by you (flattred during current month? I'm not sure).

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-14 12:52:37

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Here is the list of available ways to fill your purse:
http://www.wmtransfer.com/eng/inout/topup.shtml

Seems like "exchange points" is the simplest way. It's possible to exchange PayPal
too.

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-14 13:02:29

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Here is the list of available ways to fill your purse:
http://www.wmtransfer.com/eng/inout/topup.shtml

Seems like "exchange points" is the simplest way. It's possible to exchange PayPal
too.

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-11-14 13:02:29

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Nope. I get a list of Russian stuff, none of which is very helpful :-P I found a couple
of sites that do this for an exchange fee of 12-30% and they are all in Russian and
I don't know how reputable they are.. 

I found one that is supposed to be reputable and it looks like they only take clients
on referral basis: http://exwp.com/req/conditions_en.html. This is all a bit how it
used to be in Iceland in the 80s when you had to go to the bank director himself to
exchange money when you were travelling abroad..

I am a bit surprised that WebMoney doesn't just take bloody credit cards.

I'm giving up on WebMoney. Will use flattr. Hopefully that will work nicely. According
to their blog they will be adding one time donations again to their line of services
so that will make things easier in the future. Their service fee is a bit steep or
10% but seems to be less than all the PayPal+WebMoney options. 

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 14:57:32

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Nope. I get a list of Russian stuff, none of which is very helpful :-P I found a couple
of sites that do this for an exchange fee of 12-30% and they are all in Russian and
I don't know how reputable they are.. 

I found one that is supposed to be reputable and it looks like they only take clients
on referral basis: http://exwp.com/req/conditions_en.html. This is all a bit how it
used to be in Iceland in the 80s when you had to go to the bank director himself to
exchange money when you were travelling abroad..

I am a bit surprised that WebMoney doesn't just take bloody credit cards.

I'm giving up on WebMoney. Will use flattr. Hopefully that will work nicely. According
to their blog they will be adding one time donations again to their line of services
so that will make things easier in the future. Their service fee is a bit steep or
10% but seems to be less than all the PayPal+WebMoney options. 

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 14:57:32

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For those who are wondering about flattr. 

You decide on monthly budget. If you only flattr one thing during the month, that one
thing gets all the budget (minus 10% service fee) on the 10th of next month. For each
flattr, the budget is divided between those things. So to use your months budget for
one time donation you have to be careful not to flattr anything else during this month..
You can not flattr one thing multiple times to give unequal amounts to different things.
You could support one creator more, by flattring lots different things he has created.


So the philosophy here is not for 'targeted' donation but microdonation for lots of
small things you like, like blogposts and youtube videos. Everyone gets equal division
of your funds, you cannot assign a preference. (this might change soon, so that you
can also use funds for larger one time donations)

If you want to support some endeavor better you can 'subscribe' and he will automatically
get flattr from you each month.

If you flattr nothing in a whole month, no money will be taken from your budget, because
there is no-one to divide it between.

If you don't have funds for monthly budget, you will not be charged automatically from
CC. You will just not be able to flattr for that month until you top-up to have sufficient
funds.

I could top up easily with credit card from Iceland, so I think they will accept CC
from lot of countries.

So basically. Not a good model for one time donation at this point (may change in the
future), but much easier for me to use than WebMoney. Now let's just hope it is as
easy for Russian creators to reclaim flattr money as it is for me to spend it.

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 15:33:49

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

For those who are wondering about flattr. 

You decide on monthly budget. If you only flattr one thing during the month, that one
thing gets all the budget (minus 10% service fee) on the 10th of next month. For each
flattr, the budget is divided between those things. So to use your months budget for
one time donation you have to be careful not to flattr anything else during this month..
You can not flattr one thing multiple times to give unequal amounts to different things.
You could support one creator more, by flattring lots different things he has created.


So the philosophy here is not for 'targeted' donation but microdonation for lots of
small things you like, like blogposts and youtube videos. Everyone gets equal division
of your funds, you cannot assign a preference. (this might change soon, so that you
can also use funds for larger one time donations)

If you want to support some endeavor better you can 'subscribe' and he will automatically
get flattr from you each month.

If you flattr nothing in a whole month, no money will be taken from your budget, because
there is no-one to divide it between.

If you don't have funds for monthly budget, you will not be charged automatically from
CC. You will just not be able to flattr for that month until you top-up to have sufficient
funds.

I could top up easily with credit card from Iceland, so I think they will accept CC
from lot of countries.

So basically. Not a good model for one time donation at this point (may change in the
future), but much easier for me to use than WebMoney. Now let's just hope it is as
easy for Russian creators to reclaim flattr money as it is for me to spend it.

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2014-11-14 15:33:49

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On the donation page I've added Yandex.Money option
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2014-12-30 11:48:09

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On the donation page I've added Yandex.Money option
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

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Issue 1887 has been merged into this issue.

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Issue 1887 has been merged into this issue.

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Were you able to get your payment from flattr?

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2015-01-30 15:15:36

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Were you able to get your payment from flattr?

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I'm worry that nowhere soon. Flattr stops withdrawal to PayPal Russia completely (any
account, not me only).

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-01-30 15:20:49

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I'm worry that nowhere soon. Flattr stops withdrawal to PayPal Russia completely (any
account, not me only).

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Bitcoin may be? But I'm not sure it's easy.

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-01-30 16:40:08

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Bitcoin may be? But I'm not sure it's easy.

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Hi, I contacted Flattr. They say that they can currently pay out to creators in Russia
through Skrill and will do bank transfers in the future. You might want to look into
that.

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2015-02-02 12:20:51

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Hi, I contacted Flattr. They say that they can currently pay out to creators in Russia
through Skrill and will do bank transfers in the future. You might want to look into
that.

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Skrill do not accept "donations" to Russia accounts. Same as PayPal.
In fact they request charity license from me. Really?

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-02-02 13:14:53

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Skrill do not accept "donations" to Russia accounts. Same as PayPal.
In fact they request charity license from me. Really?

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Hi,
are you unable to register at Skrill or SkrilliT and claim your money from
Flattr? This is just getting ridiculous...

Reported by jonthoroddsen on 2015-02-02 13:17:50

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

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are you unable to register at Skrill or SkrilliT and claim your money from
Flattr? This is just getting ridiculous...

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I'm registered. And claimed money from Flattr once.

But! I'd asked Skrill about donations and they answered that I must provide charity
license.

As I said, PayPal'd said exactly the same. So it's possible that Skrill will block
such transactions soon too.

That is completely weird. I'm not a charity organization. Why I must have license for
that?

I wonder if foreign (US/UK) developers have any issues with "charity licenses"?

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-02-02 13:28:20

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

I'm registered. And claimed money from Flattr once.

But! I'd asked Skrill about donations and they answered that I must provide charity
license.

As I said, PayPal'd said exactly the same. So it's possible that Skrill will block
such transactions soon too.

That is completely weird. I'm not a charity organization. Why I must have license for
that?

I wonder if foreign (US/UK) developers have any issues with "charity licenses"?

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I think, this might be the result of US&EU boycott (Putin refuses to extradite Snowden).

Perhaps, via an Asian bank?

Reported by mb97531 on 2015-02-02 17:37:54

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I think, this might be the result of US&EU boycott (Putin refuses to extradite Snowden).

Perhaps, via an Asian bank?

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Trying to register on alipay. Unsuccessfully yet.

At the moment, bitcoin seems line most suitable way. I've added link:
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-02-03 09:15:49

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Trying to register on alipay. Unsuccessfully yet.

At the moment, bitcoin seems line most suitable way. I've added link:
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

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Alipay requires business license. Don't know other Chinese services.

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-02-03 16:21:48

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Alipay requires business license. Don't know other Chinese services.

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Information about paypal was updated:
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

Reported by ConEmu.Maximus5 on 2015-03-01 23:29:33

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Maximus5 commented Jul 31, 2015

Information about paypal was updated:
http://conemu.github.io/donate.html

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