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Moe Frequently Asked Questions

This document will contain answers to questions that either have already come up, or which I anticipate will come up. If your questions are not answered in that document, please do one of the following:

  • submit an issue on Github asking the question
  • fork the project, add the question to this file, seek out an answer, add it in and submit a pull request

The second option is the more preferred approach of course.

How much of Perl are you planning to stay compatible with?

A subset. Though let me be clear: pure Perl5 source code will never work with Moe without some level of (hopefully automated) syntax transformation.

Exactly what subset, at this point I can not say. This should shake out in the next couple weeks or so as I try and spec out the language subset.

Are you going to support XS

Don't you think it is a little early to start asking that?

Actually, my (very, very, very) rough plans for backcompat is to lean on an embeddable Perl interpreter somehow (libperl.so). It does mean there is some kind of walled garden in between (old) Perl 5 and (new) Perl 5, but I don't believe that we could do it any other way. Over time I believe it will be possible to evolve something closer to what Jesse Vincent proposed in this "5.16 and Beyond" talk, but having that as a starting goal I think is unreasonable and unrealistic.

What makes you think you can do this?

Honestly, I don't know if I can, but you never know unless you try.

Why not C?

To start with, I don't know C, and to be honest I am not all that interested in learning it.

Additionally I think that starting it in C would be premature optimization. It also defeats the whole "would it be nice to run on multiple VMs" idea.

Does that mean I am against using C? No, perhaps if this all works out, the final version will be in C, which I am fine with as long as it is a compiler and can target multiple runtimes.

Why not Perl 5?

I don't think Perl 5 is actually a great language to write a language in. I really wanted something with a solid type system that is statically checked. That said, I am not against eventually being self-hosting or something.

Why Scala?

So, see my above comment about a nice static type system, which Scala has and which I find much nicer than other languages like Java.

In fact, I originally started to write this in Java, after looking over a few different languages, but after two rough implementations I kept finding myself running into Java's annoying type system.

I am becoming quite fond of Scala for the following reasons:

  • It can interoperate with Java and that entire ecosystem
  • It is enough of a functional programming language to be really nice for writing compilers in, and enough of an OOP language to be easy for those not as familiar with FP
  • The language actually feels Perl-ish
  • It is a useful skill, so if Perl is really dead, then we can all learn a new skill and move on ;)

Why not $my_favorite_language?

See above.

Are you planning on sticking with the JVM?

No, not necessarily, the only reason the JVM is involved right now is that I am writing this in Scala. I don't plan on only having an interpreter; eventually I would love have a compiler and then we can target multiple VMs.

Why do you have a simplistic tree-walking interpreter?

This is the shortest path to a working language that people can play with, anything else would be premature optimization.

I do know that an AST interpreter is slow as dirt, but I also know that having an AST makes it easier to write a true compiler as well. I also know that a stable AST is very important for good tooling support (IDE autocompletes, etc).

Moe?

Modern Perl (Moose) - OS dependency (the JVM) = Moose - OS = Moe

Perl is Dead

Yes, I know, I wrote a talk about it.

But if you are just looking to troll, you can go to reddit, hackernews or whatever, that is what they are there for.

What are some good resources for those who want to learn more about Scala

  • Twitter's Scala School
  • Programming Scala OFPS
  • Programming in Scala (1st edition from Artima) pins1ed
  • Understand pattern matching and scala.Option, but are having some trouble with map, orElse, getOrElse and others? Check out this cheat sheet.

If you're the kind to read dead tree versions, you can buy from O'Reilly or Artima.