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Support infiltrating super weapons to reset/delay charge time #16647

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matjaeck opened this issue Jun 7, 2019 · 7 comments

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commented Jun 7, 2019

This was discussed on discord and the forum recently and the idea has so far received good feedback. A use case could be the RA spy which would get a new ability, replacing their ability to infiltrate refineries for cash which was moved to the thief in last release.

Both a relative and absolute delay have been discussed. Allowing to set an absolute delay in ticks would work for all use cases I think.

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commented Jun 7, 2019

An absolute delay does not make much sense - why would the player opt for this when they could achieve the same goal much more easily by infiltrating a power plant?

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commented Jun 7, 2019

To clarify what at least my understanding of the feature is: The spy infiltrates the nuke silo and this will cause a penalty on the charge time, setting it from for example 01:00 minute to 02:00 minutes remaining. Infiltrating power plants is useful to deny the nuke regardless of chargetime (although it is ofc a penalty for charge time). The idea is that infiltrating the silo would cause a much higher charge penalty than infiltrating the powerplants. This would allow a player who has build his nuke some time after the other player did to launch his nuke first or, if the player didn't build one, buy some time before the enemy nuke is ready.

With "Allowing to set an absolute delay in ticks would work for all use cases I think." I meant that you can set the delay so that it equals what would be for example 50% of the charge time.

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commented Jun 7, 2019

Resettting the timer completely would be much clearer from a gameplay perspective. This would make the missile silo/iron curtain/chronosphere very attractive spy targets, which can be countered by building walls around them - these buildings do not have bibs, so spies cannot be dropped inside the walls using a chinook.

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commented Jun 7, 2019

The counterargument is that you reset a potentially game ending nuke with a $400 unit. I don't say it is imbalanced, but this was the concern.

However, it was also noted that you can easily wall these buildings off and protect them so I remain neutral in this regard.

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commented Jun 7, 2019

Reset is what RA2 did and ORA Spy logic takes more from RA2 than actual RA1 anyway.

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commented Jun 15, 2019

I agree on reset. Makes more sense.

A static delay could end up with someone sending 5 spies into an IC, for example. The timer would be 5 minutes or more. That doesn't really make sense.

A building can be walled off from spies with an easy investment of 200 in wired fence (or even 120 if the balance change on that goes through).

Also, Spies cost 500, not 400. British Spies cost 250.

Should this be extended to GPS?

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commented Jun 15, 2019

After further discussion on discord some days ago I agree as well on reset for super weapons. The charge bars should be made visible when a player scouts the ic/chrono/nuke. Not sure about GPS.

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