standardize & improve language around inter-vm file transfers

[mfc]

in Fedora templates, the Action Menu wording for inter-vm file transfers is a bit ambiguous and confusing:

1. Send to VM
2. Open in Disposable VM
3. Move to VM

"Send to" semantically suggests the original is not kept, which is not true.

In Whonix templates the Action Menu is clearer with "Copy to" being used instead of "Send to":

1. Move to Other VM...
2. Copy to Other VM...
3. Open in Disposable VM

Note the different ordering as well.

I would recommend the implementation of the Whonix template practices in the other templates, both in wording (as they are clearer) and ordering (as isolating the Disposable VM option from the others makes sense).

And it may make sense to flatten the menu by removing the Action parent, as Whonix templates has done. That would make it faster for users to select the appropriate option.

[mfc]

i'm pretty sure this went in the wrong direction @adrelanos.

now whonix, debian, and fedora are all unified in language (yay!) but not ordering, and the language change is the wrong one, to:

1. send to VM
2. move to VM

As originally mentioned "send" is used semantically incorrectly here, it needs to be "copy":

1. copy to VM
2. move to VM

[mfc]

i'm pretty sure this went in the wrong direction @adrelanos.

now whonix, debian, and fedora are all unified in language (yay!) but not ordering, and the language change is the wrong one, to:

1. send to VM
2. move to VM

As originally mentioned "send" is used semantically incorrectly here, it needs to be "copy":

1. copy to VM
2. move to VM

[adrelanos]

Michael Carbone:

i'm pretty sure this went in the wrong direction @adrelanos.

Why me?

[adrelanos]

Michael Carbone:

i'm pretty sure this went in the wrong direction @adrelanos.

Why me?

[mfc]

Why me?

haha didn't mean for it to sound scary. the language in Whonix template-derived AppVMs changed from "Copy to Other VM..." to "Send to Other VM" and I figured you are responsible for Whonix template changes?

[mfc]

Why me?

haha didn't mean for it to sound scary. the language in Whonix template-derived AppVMs changed from "Copy to Other VM..." to "Send to Other VM" and I figured you are responsible for Whonix template changes?

[marmarek]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 03:01:14AM -0800, Michael Carbone wrote:

haha, didn't mean for it to sound scary. the language in Whonix template-derived AppVMs changed from "Copy to Other VM..." to "Send to Other VM" and I figured you are responsible for Whonix template changes?

This is just part of qubes packages installed there, the same as in
other templates. Visual differences are because Whonix uses dolphin as
file manager (right?), which is configured separately from Nautilus file
manager (used by default in Fedora templates).

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[marmarek]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 03:01:14AM -0800, Michael Carbone wrote:

haha, didn't mean for it to sound scary. the language in Whonix template-derived AppVMs changed from "Copy to Other VM..." to "Send to Other VM" and I figured you are responsible for Whonix template changes?

This is just part of qubes packages installed there, the same as in
other templates. Visual differences are because Whonix uses dolphin as
file manager (right?), which is configured separately from Nautilus file
manager (used by default in Fedora templates).

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[mfc]

ah thanks for the clarification. I'm highlighting the differences in wording primarily (how "send" should be "copy"), rather than order which is a second issue -- ie the order of the options is different in dolphin and nautilus in Debian-based AppVMs for instance.

[mfc]

ah thanks for the clarification. I'm highlighting the differences in wording primarily (how "send" should be "copy"), rather than order which is a second issue -- ie the order of the options is different in dolphin and nautilus in Debian-based AppVMs for instance.

[adrelanos]

Yes, but I wouldn't change these messages in Whonix only. Especially not
without discussing it in a ticket. These messages are defined by
packages provided by Qubes only.

[adrelanos]

Yes, but I wouldn't change these messages in Whonix only. Especially not
without discussing it in a ticket. These messages are defined by
packages provided by Qubes only.

[adrelanos]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:

Visual differences are because Whonix uses dolphin as
file manager (right?)

Yes.

[adrelanos]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:

Visual differences are because Whonix uses dolphin as
file manager (right?)

Yes.

[mfc]

right, so it sounds like it is Dolphin menu language (provided by Qubes) that need to be improved? Whether it is Dolphin in Debian, Whonix, Fedora, etc. That will ensure the user finds the same language (and ideally same order) as in Nautilus.

[mfc]

right, so it sounds like it is Dolphin menu language (provided by Qubes) that need to be improved? Whether it is Dolphin in Debian, Whonix, Fedora, etc. That will ensure the user finds the same language (and ideally same order) as in Nautilus.

[adrelanos]

Yes.

[adrelanos]

Yes.

[mfc]

I think this is a pretty easy fix, we just need the Dolphin context menu text string to be the same as the Files/Nautilus language: both "Copy To VM" (rather than "Send To VM").

[mfc]

I think this is a pretty easy fix, we just need the Dolphin context menu text string to be the same as the Files/Nautilus language: both "Copy To VM" (rather than "Send To VM").

[unman]

@andrewdavidwong Confirmed issue still arises in 3.2 milestone

[unman]

@andrewdavidwong Confirmed issue still arises in 3.2 milestone