qubes-core-vm - missing dependencies

[Zrubi]

it seems qubes-core-vm has some missing dependencies.

If you try to use a fedora-minimal as an update VM the dom0 updates will fail because of missing packeges:

• yum
• yum-dnf
• and probably some more - because dom-update is still hanging.

[Zrubi]

more precisely those scripts are trying to use yum:
/usr/lib/qubes/qubes-download-dom0-updates.sh
/usr/lib/qubes/upgrades-installed-check

they are from package:
qubes-core-vm

But that package do not pull the any packages providing yum.

[Zrubi]

more precisely those scripts are trying to use yum:
/usr/lib/qubes/qubes-download-dom0-updates.sh
/usr/lib/qubes/upgrades-installed-check

they are from package:
qubes-core-vm

But that package do not pull the any packages providing yum.

[Zrubi]

and of course the affected distro is: fedora 23

[Zrubi]

and of course the affected distro is: fedora 23

[marmarek]

Ok, the question here is: do we want to support dom0 updates download in minimal template out of the box? Or rather add this to a list of "optional" features and document "if you want to use minimal-based VM to download dom0 updates, install X, Y and Z"?

[marmarek]

Ok, the question here is: do we want to support dom0 updates download in minimal template out of the box? Or rather add this to a list of "optional" features and document "if you want to use minimal-based VM to download dom0 updates, install X, Y and Z"?

[Zrubi]

Well, because that script is part of a package that is already installed in the minimal package - I would expect that it will works without adding more dependencies manually.

But for me it is acceptable if we only document the fact that more packages are needed for some feature to work. - Just like It was the case with tinyproxy, however that was a completly independent package.

Because I see that minimal packeges should be really minimal - I would chose a package without correct dependencies instead of bloated template. - If you accept this too, I will find out what else is needed for a working UpdateVM, and will make a separate section for this in the Documentation

[Zrubi]

Well, because that script is part of a package that is already installed in the minimal package - I would expect that it will works without adding more dependencies manually.

But for me it is acceptable if we only document the fact that more packages are needed for some feature to work. - Just like It was the case with tinyproxy, however that was a completly independent package.

Because I see that minimal packeges should be really minimal - I would chose a package without correct dependencies instead of bloated template. - If you accept this too, I will find out what else is needed for a working UpdateVM, and will make a separate section for this in the Documentation

[marmarek]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 05:22:00AM -0800, Zrubi wrote:

Well, because that script is part of a package that is already installed in the minimal package - I would expect that it will works without adding more dependencies manually.

This is how minimal template is done... To do it right, we probably
should split qubes-core-vm package into several smaller ones and install only
some of them. But in practice probably we will not have time for this :(

Because I see that minimal packeges should be really minimal - I would chose a package without correct dependencies instead of bloated template. - If you accept this too, I will find out what else is needed for a working UpdateVM, and will make a separate section for this in the Documentation

Yes, I think this is the way to go, at least for now. If required
packages turns out to be really small, we can consider including them by
default.

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[marmarek]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 05:22:00AM -0800, Zrubi wrote:

Well, because that script is part of a package that is already installed in the minimal package - I would expect that it will works without adding more dependencies manually.

This is how minimal template is done... To do it right, we probably
should split qubes-core-vm package into several smaller ones and install only
some of them. But in practice probably we will not have time for this :(

Because I see that minimal packeges should be really minimal - I would chose a package without correct dependencies instead of bloated template. - If you accept this too, I will find out what else is needed for a working UpdateVM, and will make a separate section for this in the Documentation

Yes, I think this is the way to go, at least for now. If required
packages turns out to be really small, we can consider including them by
default.

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[adrelanos]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:

do we want to support dom0 updates download in minimal template out of the box?

No. Anyhow. Make minimal templates cause minimal time effort since it's
a geeky feature.

[adrelanos]

Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:

do we want to support dom0 updates download in minimal template out of the box?

No. Anyhow. Make minimal templates cause minimal time effort since it's
a geeky feature.

[andrewdavidwong]

Strange. My UpdateVM is sys-firewall, based on fedora-23-minimal, and everything works fine. This is on R3.0.

[andrewdavidwong]

Strange. My UpdateVM is sys-firewall, based on fedora-23-minimal, and everything works fine. This is on R3.0.

[Zrubi]

@axon-qubes Are you created that template from the rpm? or upgraded it from f22?
also please check if yum and/or dnf-yum packege is installed.

[Zrubi]

@axon-qubes Are you created that template from the rpm? or upgraded it from f22?
also please check if yum and/or dnf-yum packege is installed.

[andrewdavidwong]

@Zrubi Ah, good point. It must have been upgraded from F22.

[andrewdavidwong]

@Zrubi Ah, good point. It must have been upgraded from F22.

[Zrubi]

It seems the only missing packages needed for qubes-dom-update is:
yum
dnf-yum

I will update the documentation with this info soon.

[Zrubi]

It seems the only missing packages needed for qubes-dom-update is:
yum
dnf-yum

I will update the documentation with this info soon.