stop using abbreviations for default vm names

[mfc]

we need to stop using non-intuitive abbreviations, which are:

• confusing for new users
• bad for localization/translation (either directly or in documentation)

anything "sys-" should instead be "system-"

• sys-net -> system-network
• sys-firewall -> system-firewall
• sys-usb -> system-usb

[Zrubi]

Why we have to use those prefixes at all??
Wouldn't be more simple using:

• network
• firewall
• usb

Thos are shorter. And sys-/system is not add anything meaningful to them.

[Zrubi]

Why we have to use those prefixes at all??
Wouldn't be more simple using:

• network
• firewall
• usb

Thos are shorter. And sys-/system is not add anything meaningful to them.

[marmarek]

Those VMs are generally something that user shouldn't (need to)
interact with in normal cases. But I agree that using name prefix for it
isn't ideal. Especially having 31 chars limit... Probably worth a tag
"system" (#865) and then other indication like separate section in Qubes
Manager ("System VMs"/"System Qubes").

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[marmarek]

Those VMs are generally something that user shouldn't (need to)
interact with in normal cases. But I agree that using name prefix for it
isn't ideal. Especially having 31 chars limit... Probably worth a tag
"system" (#865) and then other indication like separate section in Qubes
Manager ("System VMs"/"System Qubes").

Best Regards,
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Invisible Things Lab
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[mfc]

I like those ideas and dropping the prefixes. +1

[mfc]

I like those ideas and dropping the prefixes. +1

[woju]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 01:58:05AM -0800, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:

Probably worth a tag
"system" (#865) and then other indication like separate section in Qubes
Manager ("System VMs"/"System Qubes").

Tags aren't meant to do anything by ourselves, like separating something
in Qubes Manager. They are solely for the user. Probably better use
features (revamped services, still not implemented).

regards, .-.
Wojtek Porczyk .-^' '^-.
Invisible Things Lab |'-.-^-.-'|
| | | |
I do not fear computers, | '-.-' |
I fear lack of them. '-._ : ,-'
-- Isaac Asimov `^-^-_>

[woju]

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 01:58:05AM -0800, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki wrote:

Probably worth a tag
"system" (#865) and then other indication like separate section in Qubes
Manager ("System VMs"/"System Qubes").

Tags aren't meant to do anything by ourselves, like separating something
in Qubes Manager. They are solely for the user. Probably better use
features (revamped services, still not implemented).

regards, .-.
Wojtek Porczyk .-^' '^-.
Invisible Things Lab |'-.-^-.-'|
| | | |
I do not fear computers, | '-.-' |
I fear lack of them. '-._ : ,-'
-- Isaac Asimov `^-^-_>

[andrewdavidwong]

Personally, I like the sys- tags because they cause all system-related VMs to be sorted together lexically. I also prefer sys- over system- because I find shorter names easier to visually scan at a glance (e.g., when reading through a long list of VMs), and I find sys- to be an intuitive and unambiguous abbreviation for system in the context of Qubes.

[andrewdavidwong]

Personally, I like the sys- tags because they cause all system-related VMs to be sorted together lexically. I also prefer sys- over system- because I find shorter names easier to visually scan at a glance (e.g., when reading through a long list of VMs), and I find sys- to be an intuitive and unambiguous abbreviation for system in the context of Qubes.

[mfc]

Personally, I like the sys- tags because they cause all system-related VMs to be sorted together lexically

okay but "system" VMs should instead be sorted or kept in a "system vm" section of QVM based on their attribute of being "system vms", not by prefix.

[mfc]

Personally, I like the sys- tags because they cause all system-related VMs to be sorted together lexically

okay but "system" VMs should instead be sorted or kept in a "system vm" section of QVM based on their attribute of being "system vms", not by prefix.

[comradekingu]

Adding 'system-' to network or firewall relies on context to signify 'remote' or 'local'. Then again doing away with the prefixes and adding 'remote' or 'local' where it applies is probably the better option.

[comradekingu]

Adding 'system-' to network or firewall relies on context to signify 'remote' or 'local'. Then again doing away with the prefixes and adding 'remote' or 'local' where it applies is probably the better option.