Consider adding "Try Qubes in a Virtual Machine" button on website

[andrewdavidwong]

On 2016-08-15 16:21, Andrew Clausen wrote:

Hi Pixel,

On 9 August 2016 at 13:59, pixel fairy <pixelfairy@[...].com> wrote:

virtualbox doesnt support nested virtualization.

vmware-fusion does, so qubes runs fine in that. the only issue is the low
resolution. vmwares drivers complain if you run them on a xen kernel, so
your stuck with low res.

Yes, I finally confirmed that this works. I will be recommending this
to my students.

Perhaps this advice ought to be somewhere on the Qubes website.
Specifically, most people will want to try Qubes out before making a
big investment in finding a well-supported laptop. So perhaps the
"Getting Started" page [1] could have a "Try Qubes inside a virtual
machine" button next to the live usb option under "Try Qubes".

Kind regards,
Andrew

[1] https://www.qubes-os.org/getting-started/

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[andrewdavidwong]

@marmarek, @bnvk: Any thoughts on this?

[andrewdavidwong]

@marmarek, @bnvk: Any thoughts on this?

[xahare]

just confirmed this does not work with 3.2rc2. the boot screen works. with 3d acceleration on, its all black. with it off, you get a static gray pattern with a mouse pointer. the pattern scales with the window, implying that vmware graphics drivers are not in use. the mouse pointer is visible and seems to work as expected with 3d off.

doesnt fedora include vmware drivers? would xen interfere with that?

maybe kvm/qxl + html5 spice client would be a better way to demo qubes. havent tried qubes with qxl.

[xahare]

just confirmed this does not work with 3.2rc2. the boot screen works. with 3d acceleration on, its all black. with it off, you get a static gray pattern with a mouse pointer. the pattern scales with the window, implying that vmware graphics drivers are not in use. the mouse pointer is visible and seems to work as expected with 3d off.

doesnt fedora include vmware drivers? would xen interfere with that?

maybe kvm/qxl + html5 spice client would be a better way to demo qubes. havent tried qubes with qxl.

[adrelanos]

Of all virtualizer that run within existing host operating systems, I
found VirtualBox to be the best Free/Libre virtualizer providing best
usability. I can make a direct comparison, because Whonix is available
for both VirtualBox and KVM. Also VirtualBox can run on the Windows
platform.

[This presupposes that Qubes is made compatible to run within VirtualBox.]

[adrelanos]

Of all virtualizer that run within existing host operating systems, I
found VirtualBox to be the best Free/Libre virtualizer providing best
usability. I can make a direct comparison, because Whonix is available
for both VirtualBox and KVM. Also VirtualBox can run on the Windows
platform.

[This presupposes that Qubes is made compatible to run within VirtualBox.]

[hcs0]

I had some issues in the past (2015) getting this to run on VirtualBox. I tried again with R3.2 and still not luck.

Was able to install on VMWare Fusion though..

My understanding is that it is recommended not to run Qubes OS on virutal machines anyway - https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/

[hcs0]

I had some issues in the past (2015) getting this to run on VirtualBox. I tried again with R3.2 and still not luck.

Was able to install on VMWare Fusion though..

My understanding is that it is recommended not to run Qubes OS on virutal machines anyway - https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/installation-guide/

[sysadminshowto]

Hi,

You should choose "Enable EFI (special OSes only) check-box in the VM settings.
Here is video tutorial for Qubes OS 3.2 installation on VirtualBox

[sysadminshowto]

Hi,

You should choose "Enable EFI (special OSes only) check-box in the VM settings.
Here is video tutorial for Qubes OS 3.2 installation on VirtualBox

[mikeroySoft]

VMware Fusion and Workstation PM here, would be happy to help get this working as a VM... We even have a virtual TPM, IOMMU, UEFI Secure Boot, and nested virtualization support =)

When trying to test R4 I just get a black screen when I try to boot it.

[mikeroySoft]

VMware Fusion and Workstation PM here, would be happy to help get this working as a VM... We even have a virtual TPM, IOMMU, UEFI Secure Boot, and nested virtualization support =)

When trying to test R4 I just get a black screen when I try to boot it.

[marmarek]

@mikeroySoft UEFI or legacy boot? Try the other one.

[marmarek]

@mikeroySoft UEFI or legacy boot? Try the other one.