Xfce4 panel first run: Disable prompt and use default config

[jpouellet]

Qubes OS version (e.g., R3.2):

R3.2

Affected TemplateVMs (e.g., fedora-23, if applicable):

Dom0

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Actual behavior:

Upon first logging into a clean install of R3.2, the very first thing users see is this prompt:

They can not reasonably be expected to have any idea what it means, and if they happen to select "One empty panel" instead of the default, they get a very unusable system:

It can be fixed by removing ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf and logging in again and choosing the other option, but there is no way new users could be expected to know this.

Expected behavior:

The first thing that happens right after installing Qubes should not be that they are greeted with a prompt they do not understand, that if they answer incorrectly will lead them to probably either reinstall or give up.

Steps to reproduce the behavior:

1st login in clean install of r3.2. My screenshots above were produced on qubes-in-qubes (in an outer HVM).

General notes:

IIRC if you are instead upgrading from 3.1, you get an equally useless 3-option dialog with one of the options being "migrate old config" or something.

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Related issues:

Have not seen any reports of this. Maybe everybody either got lucky and answered right or got so immediately discouraged at Qubes apparent complete brokenness that they didn't bother reporting?

[jpouellet]

Setting the XFCE_PANEL_MIGRATE_DEFAULT env var appears it would resolve this.

[jpouellet]

Setting the XFCE_PANEL_MIGRATE_DEFAULT env var appears it would resolve this.

[jpouellet]

Or rather, invoking /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/migrate with XFCE_PANEL_MIGRATE_DEFAULT set would.

Not sure the most appropriate place to do that from though.

[jpouellet]

Or rather, invoking /usr/lib64/xfce4/panel/migrate with XFCE_PANEL_MIGRATE_DEFAULT set would.

Not sure the most appropriate place to do that from though.

[jpouellet]

Somewhere in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/tree/master/qubes-anaconda-addon presumably?

• https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/qubes-anaconda-addon/org_qubes_os_initial_setup/gui/spokes/qubes_os.py
• https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/qubes-anaconda-addon/firstboot-qubes-text

[jpouellet]

Somewhere in https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/tree/master/qubes-anaconda-addon presumably?

• https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/qubes-anaconda-addon/org_qubes_os_initial_setup/gui/spokes/qubes_os.py
• https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-installer-qubes-os/blob/master/qubes-anaconda-addon/firstboot-qubes-text

[marmarek]

I think I've seen a patch in some distribution that disable this prompt entirely. By including default configuration already in place. I don't remember which distribution it was, nor where exactly the config was (/etc/xdg/xfconf? /etc/skel?)... So, I'm not really helpful here.

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[marmarek]

I think I've seen a patch in some distribution that disable this prompt entirely. By including default configuration already in place. I don't remember which distribution it was, nor where exactly the config was (/etc/xdg/xfconf? /etc/skel?)... So, I'm not really helpful here.

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-- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[marmarek]

Ok, found some, but a different one than before: http://git.pld-linux.org/?p=packages/xfce4-panel.git;a=shortlog (still wondering at what other distributions source code I've looked recently...)

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-- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[marmarek]

Ok, found some, but a different one than before: http://git.pld-linux.org/?p=packages/xfce4-panel.git;a=shortlog (still wondering at what other distributions source code I've looked recently...)

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-- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[andrewdavidwong]

[Off-topic]

My screenshots above were produced on qubes-in-qubes (in an outer HVM).

Wait, so this is possible now? I thought nested Xen was disabled.

[andrewdavidwong]

[Off-topic]

My screenshots above were produced on qubes-in-qubes (in an outer HVM).

Wait, so this is possible now? I thought nested Xen was disabled.

[jpouellet]

Wait, so this is possible now? I thought nested Xen was disabled.

It has been possible for a very long time. I believe perhaps you are confusing nested HVM with nested virtualization in general, the former being only a (perhaps commonly desired) subset of the latter.

I am running PV-only inside HVM. This means no double-shadowed page tables, and also no nested EPT.

This is with the qubes-shipped Xen and Qemu. No changes required. In particular, no upstream Qemu in dom0 required.

[jpouellet]

Wait, so this is possible now? I thought nested Xen was disabled.

It has been possible for a very long time. I believe perhaps you are confusing nested HVM with nested virtualization in general, the former being only a (perhaps commonly desired) subset of the latter.

I am running PV-only inside HVM. This means no double-shadowed page tables, and also no nested EPT.

This is with the qubes-shipped Xen and Qemu. No changes required. In particular, no upstream Qemu in dom0 required.

[jpouellet]

I should also mention there are problems with PCI passthrough in nested qubes, so while it is useful for testing things, it is not very useful in general. In particular networking is problematic.

[jpouellet]

I should also mention there are problems with PCI passthrough in nested qubes, so while it is useful for testing things, it is not very useful in general. In particular networking is problematic.

[andrewdavidwong]

@jpouellet: Ok, thanks!

[andrewdavidwong]

@jpouellet: Ok, thanks!

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The package garcon-0.5.0-1.fc25 has been pushed to the r4.0 stable repository for dom0.
To install this update, please use the standard update command:

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