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C: Qubes GUI toolsThis issue pertains to Qubes GUI tools such as the Qube Manager and Qubes widgets.C: coreThis issue pertains to a Qubes core component.C: docThis issue pertains to the official Qubes OS documentation.P: minorPriority: minor. Below "default" in severity. The lowest priority.uxThis issue pertains to the user experience (UX) in Qubes OS.

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@andrewdavidwong
andrewdavidwong
opened on Feb 24, 2019

Qubes OS version:

R4.0

Affected component(s) or functionality:

sys-firewall and qubes-firewall service

Steps to reproduce the behavior:

Check the services of sys-firewall and see that qubes-firewall is not enabled.

Despite this, sys-firewall still seems to work correctly as a FirewallVM.

Expected or desired behavior:

Either qubes-firewall is enabled in sys-firewall, or the documentation about qubes-firewall is updated to explain why it is not needed, or qubes-firewall is deprecated.

Actual behavior:

sys-firewall still seems to work correctly as a FirewallVM even without qubes-firewall being enabled.

General notes:

I have consulted the following relevant documentation:

http://dev.qubes-os.org/projects/core-admin-client/en/latest/manpages/qvm-features.html
http://dev.qubes-os.org/projects/core-admin-client/en/latest/manpages/qvm-service.html
https://dev.qubes-os.org/projects/core-admin-client/en/latest/manpages/qvm-prefs.html
https://dev.qubes-os.org/projects/core-admin-client/en/latest/manpages/qvm-create.html
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/config-files/
https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/firewall/

I am aware of the following related, non-duplicate issues:

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  1. andrewdavidwong
    added
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    C: coreThis issue pertains to a Qubes core component.
    on Feb 24, 2019
  2. andrewdavidwong
    added this to the Release 4.0 updates milestone on Feb 24, 2019

  3. marmarek commented on Feb 24, 2019

    @marmarek
    marmarek
    on Feb 24, 2019
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    Works as intended - service not listed means "use default value".
    This is also included in qvm-service manual you linked:

    Reset service to its default state (remove from the list). Default state means “lets VM choose” and can depend on VM type (NetVM, AppVM etc).

    Although indeed could be better exposed.

  4. andrewdavidwong commented on Feb 24, 2019

    @andrewdavidwong
    andrewdavidwong
    on Feb 24, 2019
    MemberAuthor

    Ok, Thanks. Filing as a UX issue.

  5. andrewdavidwong
    added
    C: Qubes GUI toolsThis issue pertains to Qubes GUI tools such as the Qube Manager and Qubes widgets.
    C: docThis issue pertains to the official Qubes OS documentation.
    P: minorPriority: minor. Below "default" in severity. The lowest priority.
    uxThis issue pertains to the user experience (UX) in Qubes OS.
    enhancement
    and removed
    bug
    on Feb 24, 2019
  6. andrewdavidwong
    changed the title [-]qubes-firewall service not enabled in sys-firewall[/-] [+]Improve UX and documentation of qubes services[/+] on Feb 24, 2019
  7. andrewdavidwong
    changed the title [-]Improve UX and documentation of qubes services[/-] [+]Improve UX and documentation of services[/+] on Feb 24, 2019
  8. andrewdavidwong
    modified the milestones: Release 4.0 updates, on Apr 7, 2023
  9. andrewdavidwong
    removed this from the milestone on Aug 13, 2023

  10. alimirjamali commented on Jun 11, 2024

    @alimirjamali
    alimirjamali
    on Jun 11, 2024

    Ok, Thanks. Filing as a UX issue.

    I wonder if this issue is still valid. Marmarta added this text to Services tab of Settings GUI around 5 years ago:

    Unlisted services will follow default settings.

    The improvement happened few months after the issue filing (Dec 14, 2019). The explanation text appears at the bottom of Window. Here is a recent screenshot:
    settings

  11. andrewdavidwong commented on Jun 12, 2024

    @andrewdavidwong
    andrewdavidwong
    on Jun 12, 2024
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    Closing as completed. If anyone believes this issue is not yet completed, or if anyone is still affected by this issue, please leave a comment, and we'll be happy to reopen it. Thank you.

  12. andrewdavidwong
    closed this as completedon Jun 12, 2024
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