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IrcLog2009 04 08
17:29:35 * garyo-home (n=[firstname.lastname@example.org](mailto:email@example.com)) has joined #scons 17:29:49 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) is no longer marked as being away 17:30:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi, Gary; Steven's not here yet; you've still got some time for the spreadsheet 17:30:50 <garyo-home> working on it... 17:31:14 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I've been watching 17:32:35 * stevenknight (n=[firstname.lastname@example.org](mailto:email@example.com)) has joined #scons 17:32:56 <stevenknight> hola amigos. been a long time since I rapped at ya 17:33:06 <bdbaddog> :) 17:33:12 <garyo-home> Hi Steven. 17:33:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hi, Steven; Gary's about half-way through the spreadsheet 17:33:24 <garyo-home> 55%! 17:33:25 <garyo-home> :-) 17:33:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, don't bother with the consensus lines; I can get them. 17:34:00 <garyo-home> ok 17:34:28 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> stevenknight, hablas espanol? 17:34:36 <stevenknight> no 17:35:03 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> how about jive? 17:35:10 <garyo-home> :-) 17:35:12 <stevenknight> it's a quote from one of The Onion's "regular columnists" 17:35:24 <garyo-home> The druggie one 17:35:25 <stevenknight> chump don' want no help, chump don' get no help 17:35:28 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Ah. Never read them, I'm afraid 17:36:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> anyhoo, should we start? 17:36:21 <stevenknight> sure 17:36:25 <garyo-home> sure, go ahead 17:36:48 * stevenknight rearranges his windows... 17:37:13 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) moves to a different screen 17:37:15 * stevenknight ...and curses Mac's click-to-focus 17:37:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I can't figure out why Gary's on the spreadsheet twice... 17:38:19 <garyo-home> because my laptop's open on the couch. 17:38:43 <garyo-home> not any more. 17:37:58 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p3 stevenknight? 17:38:07 <stevenknight> er 17:38:15 <stevenknight> 2391: consensus 2.1 p2 stevenknight 17:38:48 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes, consensus, but should we contact David directly? 17:39:16 <stevenknight> works for me 17:39:27 <garyo-home> yes 17:39:44 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> The reason I even mention it is that _none_ of the GSoC students are responding to my entreaties to fix their proposals. 17:40:02 <stevenknight> the one i18n guy kind of did 17:40:04 <garyo-home> Hm, that's not good. 17:40:17 <garyo-home> I've been behind on asking for updates myself. 17:40:22 <stevenknight> ditto 17:40:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> but not to discuss here; we've got too much to do 17:40:34 <stevenknight> right 17:40:49 <stevenknight> 2391: consensu 2.1 p2 ask David, SK as backup 17:40:54 <garyo-home> perfect 17:40:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:41:10 <garyo-home> 1632 I'll take 17:41:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 1632, consensus 17:41:27 <stevenknight> done 17:41:38 <stevenknight> 2288: consensus 17:41:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yep 17:41:45 <garyo-home> 2288 actually I think we should just close it. 17:42:04 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Hmm... Yeah, I agree. 17:42:13 <stevenknight> works for me 17:42:23 <stevenknight> 2288: close invalid? 17:42:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> ok, 2388, close worksforme? 17:42:45 <stevenknight> worksforme works for me 17:42:54 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> my line.... 17:42:52 <garyo-home> wfm is ok w' me too 17:43:12 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, I'll handle that. next? 17:43:22 <stevenknight> 2306: consensus anytime p4 +Easy 17:43:32 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> sigh, yes 17:43:54 <garyo-home> 2363: mine 17:44:04 <stevenknight> 2363: consensus as well 17:44:08 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:44:15 <garyo-home> I'll have some airplane time in a week, good time to knock off a few bugs 17:44:20 <stevenknight> 2370: consensus 17:44:36 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2370, done 17:44:46 <stevenknight> 2374: DUP, Greg to figure out specifics 17:44:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:45:31 <garyo-home> 2375: Greg, your call on schedule 17:45:32 <stevenknight> 2375: 2.1, and add to [DeprecatedFeatures](DeprecatedFeatures) 17:45:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> hmmm... 17:46:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Yeah, I'll take care of it 17:47:06 <stevenknight> 2376: 2.x p3 stevenknight 17:47:17 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:47:30 <stevenknight> 2377: 2.1 p3 Ludwig,+Easy 17:47:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:47:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2379, I think we should ignore the rebuilds 17:47:59 <stevenknight> 2379: dup 1673, mark 1673 +Easy 17:48:08 <stevenknight> agree re: ignore rebuilds 17:48:30 <garyo-home> ok then, I'll take it. 17:48:46 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> If anyone depends on it, they're sunk anyway; the only ones that would rebuild are those who don't care 17:48:48 <garyo-home> (I mean it's a dup) 17:49:16 <garyo-home> It'll cause rebuilds for anyone with two [CheckLib](CheckLib) calls. 17:49:30 <garyo-home> But I'm OK w/ that. 17:49:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Call it a feature, part of the upgrade to 2.0 17:49:56 <garyo-home> It's more autotools-like. 17:50:20 <garyo-home> 2380: Steven? 17:51:15 <stevenknight> 2380: 2.1 p3 +Easy 17:51:17 <garyo-home> (testcase just stats the files and checks the inodes, Un*x only) 17:51:31 <stevenknight> add a note re: needing a test case 17:52:11 <stevenknight> i could do it, but it would be good to try to recruit more people to +Easy issues 17:52:16 <stevenknight> maybe even the person who filed it 17:53:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'll ask, but I'm not holding my breath. 17:53:08 <garyo-home> I'll send out an email to the list recruiting people to fix +Easy issues 17:53:29 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Good idea 17:53:38 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> we also need a wiki page about it 17:53:52 <garyo-home> With a query like the bug party one? Great idea. 17:53:58 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yep 17:54:04 <stevenknight> yes 17:54:04 <garyo-home> Can you do that? 17:54:34 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Er, if you were going to write a note, just write a wiki page instead? 17:54:49 <garyo-home> OK, I'll do both. I'll look at your existing query for inspiration. 17:55:01 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (I'm a terrible writer, really.) 17:55:36 <garyo-home> 2381: ask them to try vs_revamp 17:55:46 <garyo-home> (what's the vs_revamp status these days anyway?) 17:56:09 <stevenknight> languishing... :-( 17:56:18 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> (later in the spreadsheet, he mentions that he's about to make a push) 17:56:31 <stevenknight> i think i have some time freeing up, though 17:56:44 <bdbaddog> Hey now. I fixed 1 bug on vs_revamp... 17:56:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> It's the only thing holding up 1.3... 17:56:48 <stevenknight> it's blocking too much stuff 17:56:48 <bdbaddog> not totally stagnant.. 17:56:56 <stevenknight> bdbaddog++ 17:57:49 <stevenknight> 2381: 1.3 p1 sk, will point them to vs_revamp 17:58:00 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 17:58:23 <stevenknight> 2382: 2.x p3 sk 17:58:39 <stevenknight> that sounds like the right timeframe to look at VS project generation 17:58:39 <garyo-home> good, I had no clue about it (scanner issue or something?) 17:58:48 <stevenknight> or reprioritize it relative to the rest of the big 2.x pile 17:59:14 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) is keeping out of it 17:59:20 <stevenknight> no, it's probably just dumping the CPPPATH strings into the .vcproj file 17:59:30 <stevenknight> without turning them into Nodes to expand things like '#' 17:59:42 <garyo-home> Ok, that would make sense 17:59:17 <garyo-home> 2383: consensus 17:59:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2383, done 18:00:13 <stevenknight> 2384: [GregNoel](GregNoel) is my hero... 18:00:22 <stevenknight> one of 'em, anyway 18:01:13 <garyo-home> 2385: frankly, let's just close as invalid. Enough to do elsewhere. 18:02:17 <stevenknight> 2385: okay, I can go with that 18:02:21 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm in favor of invalid, but Steven has a point 18:02:22 <stevenknight> 2385: invalid 18:02:39 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:02:40 <stevenknight> yeah, but is it really worth the time when it could be spent elsewhere? 18:02:47 <garyo-home> 'zactly. 18:03:03 <stevenknight> 2386: invalid 18:03:12 <garyo-home> yes 18:03:14 <stevenknight> mention that he should explicitly do these once in a base Environment instance 18:03:32 <stevenknight> and then propagate that to the SConscript files that use it for the variants 18:03:39 <stevenknight> i can update 18:03:47 <garyo-home> great 18:03:52 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:04:10 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 +Easy 18:04:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> who? 18:05:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, [AppendUnique](AppendUnique) is a good idea.. 18:05:40 <garyo-home> sure, but the patch as is is fine too (and a bit faster) 18:05:55 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> good point 18:06:23 <garyo-home> I could do it with the OP checking the result if time permits 18:06:33 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Still need a sucke, ah, volunteer 18:06:36 <garyo-home> Or save it as a +Easy 18:06:46 <bdbaddog> what tools needed to test? 18:07:06 <garyo-home> dmd, I guess? 18:07:05 <stevenknight> how about we just put it in? 18:07:08 <stevenknight> DMD is kind of a niche 18:07:30 <stevenknight> if it does break someone it'll be readily identifiable and correctable 18:07:32 <garyo-home> steven: I've done that before, never had any trouble from it 18:07:49 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> does it need a test? 18:07:54 <stevenknight> no 18:08:07 <stevenknight> for niche Tool modules like this we tend to go with their flow 18:08:10 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> OK, I'm fine with Gary doing that, then. 18:08:11 <stevenknight> or at least we've done that in the past 18:08:13 <garyo-home> yes, but I think that's easy too, just see how many times it appears on the cmd line 18:08:28 <stevenknight> if you want to add a test, feel free 18:08:31 <garyo-home> :-) 18:08:42 <stevenknight> but i think the time's better spent elsewhere 18:08:51 <garyo-home> hm, good point. 18:08:58 <garyo-home> 5 min vs 45 min. 18:09:05 <garyo-home> (no test vs. test) 18:09:08 <stevenknight> right 18:09:02 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> right; 2.1 p2, gary, +Easy 18:09:02 <stevenknight> 2387: 2.1 p2 garyo to integrate 18:09:11 <stevenknight> done 18:09:13 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:09:14 <stevenknight> 2388: invalid 18:09:20 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:09:33 <stevenknight> 2389: doc, i'll volunteer 18:09:39 <garyo-home> great 18:09:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:09:46 <bdbaddog> 2387 I can take if you want, does it need to wait til 2.1? 18:10:02 <garyo-home> No, anytime is fine! 18:10:12 <garyo-home> Thanks! 18:10:19 <stevenknight> okay, 2387: 2.1 p2 bdbaddog +Easy 18:10:23 <stevenknight> cool, thanks 18:10:27 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:10:52 <stevenknight> 2390: worksfor me 18:11:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> done 18:11:42 <garyo-home> 2392 is another vs_revamp one 18:12:15 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> 2392, 1.3 p1 sk +VS 18:12:19 <stevenknight> done 18:12:24 <stevenknight> excellent work 18:12:25 <garyo-home> whew! 18:12:43 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> I'm surprised we got through all of them so quickly 18:12:44 <stevenknight> and I still have a few minutes before shuttle stop 18:12:50 <stevenknight> lotta consensus in the pre-work 18:12:54 <garyo-home> next week same time, right? 18:12:59 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> yes 18:13:01 <stevenknight> yes 18:13:45 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> Although it's a bit early, I'm still under the weather (as you can tell from my typing) so I'm willing to stop here. 18:14:02 <garyo-home> Greg: I need sleep too. 18:14:30 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> What's that? I've only been sleeping 20 hours a day, and I'm still tired. 18:14:56 <garyo-home> Greg: ouch, do you have that sore-throat+exhaustion thing that's going around on the east coast? 18:16:35 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> garyo-home, no, the 24-hour stomach horror that's lasted three days 18:16:55 <garyo-home> Greg: sorry to hear that. 18:17:03 <garyo-home> I'll sign off now, c u all later 18:17:05 <stevenknight> hope you're both feeling better 18:17:10 <stevenknight> see you next week 18:17:31 <[GregNoel](GregNoel)> cul, bye 18:17:41 <bdbaddog> l8r 18:17:48 * stevenknight has quit ("Leaving") 18:18:23 * [GregNoel](GregNoel) has been marked as being away 18:38:43 * garyo-home has quit ("[ChatZilla](ChatZilla) 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]")
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