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Show list information on sentence pages for public lists #1800

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soliloquist-tatoeba opened this issue Feb 26, 2019 · 5 comments
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Show list information on sentence pages for public lists #1800

soliloquist-tatoeba opened this issue Feb 26, 2019 · 5 comments
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@soliloquist-tatoeba soliloquist-tatoeba commented Feb 26, 2019

If a sentence belongs to a list, on the sentence page, only the creator of the list can see that information regardless of the privacy setting of the list.

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That's how it should be for private and hidden lists, but for public lists, anyone should be able to see it. Just like tags. It would help users to discover other sentences on the same subject.

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@trang trang commented Feb 26, 2019

For this we will need to split the "public" option into two options:

  1. The list is listed on the index page only.
  2. The list is listed on the index page and on the sentence's page.

Some users may not want to have their lists listed on the sentence's page, but still listed on the index page:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/wall/show_message/25227#message_25227

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@soliloquist-tatoeba soliloquist-tatoeba commented Feb 26, 2019

Thanks for letting me know about the previous discussion. I personally don't see much point showing a list on the index page and hiding it on sentence pages, but apparently that's what some users want. Your suggestion will surely solve the issue.

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@jiru jiru commented Mar 4, 2019

I think that putting more options is generally a bad idea.

@soliloquist-tatoeba Just to make the context clear. Unlisted lists are a somewhat new feature (see #677). Before, all the lists were public and listed, but none of the lists were listed on the sentence page. As a result, lists didn’t have that much exposure and members created collaborative lists about topics they didn’t necessarily want to be displayed on the sentence page. Consider this previously "collaborative" list. There is a huge difference between showing every visitor of the sentence page the way only you and some other members are classifying sentences, and having your list listed on the much harder to find "list of lists" page.

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@soliloquist-tatoeba soliloquist-tatoeba commented Mar 4, 2019

Thanks for the information.

Consider this previously "collaborative" list.

Yes, I know how messy that list is. Actually, there's always this risk for collaborative lists. They're very easy to be spoiled and removing sentences is the other problem. Many active users prefer private lists to avoid that. That's why I requested a limited-collaborative privacy setting for lists before: #1704

And yet I think this is more reason to show list information on sentence pages. This way, it becomes easier to notice if a list is spoiled or misused. Displaying misinformation (spoiled collaborative lists) on the index page isn't less harmful than on the sentence page, I believe.

showing every visitor of the sentence page the way only you and some other members are classifying sentences

But this is how tags work, isn't it? There is no standardization except for a few ones like 'OK' and '@change', but they're visible to everyone. I don't see a huge difference between tag and list information in this regard.

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@trang trang commented Mar 6, 2019

The main difference with tags is that tags were displayed on the sentence's page since the beginning. So everyone used tags knowing they would be displayed on the sentence's page.

For lists, that was not the case. Lists are never displayed on the sentence's page. For that we cannot assume that everyone will be okay with seeing their lists on the sentence's page, even if the lists are public, because they have been creating lists with the knowledge that they are not displayed on the sentence's page.

Similarly to you, I didn't understand at first why it matters to have lists on the sentence's page, but after discussing it on the Wall back then, I realized it's a different privacy level. People have different sensitivity when it comes to privacy, it's not black or white, private or public. Having lists on the sentence's page makes the lists "ultra public" (and not just "public"). If you're not very sensitive to the privacy of your lists, then you probably won't care. But if you are very sensitive, then you will feel a bit cheated on if your lists go from "public" to "ultra public" without your agreement.

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