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[thunderbird 68] is Virtual Identity compatible? #22

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despecial opened this issue Sep 1, 2019 · 103 comments
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[thunderbird 68] is Virtual Identity compatible? #22

despecial opened this issue Sep 1, 2019 · 103 comments

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@despecial
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TB 68 is out now and there is a big change for extensions.
Since a compatibility checker is missing, I would like to ask if this VI can be used with that version?

@kewlfft
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kewlfft commented Sep 7, 2019

A conversion is necessary, these steps must be followed for conversion: https://developer.thunderbird.net/add-ons/updates

@bl00dy1837
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It doesn't work anymore.

@blueyed
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blueyed commented Sep 9, 2019

@absorb-it
Are there plans to make it compatible?

@absorb-it
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Hi, currently busy I will have a look into required changes during the next months... Sorry, this will take a while.

Stay tuned, regards, Rene

@ferricoxide
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It's not until Thunderbird rolls out yet another extension-breaking update that you remember, "oh, yeah: this extension is one of the reasons why I still even use Thunderbird".

=)

@blueyed
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blueyed commented Sep 17, 2019

@ferricoxide
True. It really became a must-have for me.
Luckily Thunderbird allows you to "Customize From Address..." manually.

@miskovics
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+1

I love this extension, please, make it compatible.

@ferricoxide
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Yeah, but that requires actual effort ....and I'm soooooooooper-lazy. :)

@ferricoxide
True. It really became a must-have for me.
Luckily Thunderbird allows you to "Customize From Address..." manually.

@miskovics
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... and it is much safer and faster to do it with this add-on instead of the "Customize from Address..." function.

@absorb-it
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absorb-it commented Oct 7, 2019

Hi,
after looking into the development path of thunderbird (see for instance here) I can see that the only way will be to get the complete functionality into core thunderbird. This will take a while, sorry.

these are the steps:

  1. add some own-server/catch-all option to accounts for composing messages with the right senders email (bugzilla-link)
  2. change from-field as free-editable for own-server/catch-all accounts
  3. store mail address used for recipients together with collected addresses in address-book

Lets see how this goes on, but once this is done it will last way longer than changing some extension ever and ever again.

Regards, Rene

@mcanonic
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Too bad. Can we help you Rene in some way?
Thanks for your extension.
I'm sure that you guys have already check if any other add-on could replace (in some way) this extension in the meanwhile.

@chris-fp
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chris-fp commented Nov 5, 2019

As others have said - it's only when TB breaks VI that you remember it was there :)

It's absolutely vital that I have VI running so I've just downgraded back to v67 and won't be upgrading again until VI functionality is restored somehow - be that upgraded add-on or, even better, it's built into TB directly :D :D

@sukamenev
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Thanks for the extension! I also downgraded Thunderbird to 60.9.1.
Let me know if you need a donation.

@github-normalnutzer
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Hi there,

is there any information about progress at Rene to integrate the whole thing into the TB core?

Going to an older TB version to be compatible with VI doesn't seem to be the best way for me for such a long time, now almost 3 months.
I really miss the VI functionality.

If a donation could help, it would probably only need a call. :-)

@miskovics
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I really miss the VI functionality.
If a donation could help, it would probably only need a call. :-)

I'm also ready to donate.

@chris-fp
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chris-fp commented Jan 8, 2020

Hi,

I'd also be happy to give a donation to get this either updated or pushed into core TB as I absolutely cannot work without using VI and have downgraded to 60 as well

@sej7278
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sej7278 commented Jan 22, 2020

yes whilst you can customize the from address in TB 68 its a pain when you reply to an email with a different from address to that which you received it using as you forgot to change it manually.

@mcanonic
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mcanonic commented Jan 22, 2020

Ok, it seems to me that we have not any chance to see this add-on up and running on TB. My question is: is there any place in the thunderbird website, where a new feature can be asked? If all of us (and, hopefully, many others) push up this request, maybe we will have some chance to see it again available in TB. What do you think?

@St3fanBC
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I'm also ready to donate if that's what it takes. This add-on is a core reason for me using TB in the first place.

@bl00dy1837
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+1 ready to donate.

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@miskovics
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+1 ready to donate.

@canihavesomecoffee
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From what I see in the linked Thunderbird issue, there are patches to implement certain functionality in the core, but discussion is ongoing on how it should actually behave and how it should be enabled/disabled...

@mcanonic
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mcanonic commented Feb 12, 2020 via email

@canihavesomecoffee
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It was mentioned earlier in the issue by absorb-it, but here it is again: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1518025

@alexolog
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Willing to donate for TB68 support

@absorb-it
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Hi, thanks for all the offers for donation - it's really great to see that you are willing to support this feature. On the other hand, the implementation process is not dependent on donations and some working implementation was already proposed in the mentioned thunderbird ticket. But there seems to be no intention to let this feature be part of thunderbird. Sorry to say that there is nothing which can be done from our side. I accept the decision from thunderbird-people to not add every feature - but I'm still unsure about which mail-client can be a suitable replacement in the future.

Thanks again for all your support, Rene

@alexolog
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What required functionality is missing in the new TB?

@github-normalnutzer
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github-normalnutzer commented Feb 23, 2020

While answering/replying, choose automatically the "TO:" Address as Sender Address,
if no Address is found in the TB identities.

@alexolog
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While answering/replying, choose automatically the "TO:" Address as Sender Address,
if no Address is found in the TB identities.

This functionality was missing from earlier versions of TB and yet VI was able to implement it.
Obviously the question is what functionality required to implement the above is missing in TB68.

@KIMWW
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KIMWW commented Mar 1, 2020

some working implementation was already proposed in the mentioned thunderbird ticket. But there seems to be no intention to let this feature be part of thunderbird.

Thanks again for all your support, Rene

Thank you Rene to try to solve this issue.
What can we do to make Thunderbird people to change their mind?? Would it help if all of us post a message HERE?

@danfos
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danfos commented Aug 17, 2022

I have ONE identity but use many many "from:" email-adresses. You don't need many identities!

@martin3000: Any guidance on how to add an email-address without an identity?

Will these email-address without identity also work without filling in something like that Reply from this identity ...?

@chconnor
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The first bug (#1518025) has been fixed.

Thanks -- but 1518025 is not in the list of bugs from the comment I referenced. Or I'm confused about what you meant?

@martin3000
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@martin3000: Any guidance on how to add an email-address without an identity?

I click on "Write", then an empty mail opens. I click on my email address and a list of identities appears. At the bottom, I click "customize address" and then I can change the "from:" address to anything I like.

@alexolog
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Just a note for others, if you're trying to figure out why the wildcard setting above isn't working for you....disable your "Correct identity" and "Identity Chooser" plugins ;)

There is a discussion on the Correct Identity github that led to some changes. Maybe participating in it could lead to further improvements.

@danfos
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danfos commented Aug 17, 2022

There is a discussion on the Correct Identity github that led to some changes. Maybe participating in it could lead to further improvements.

I presume you mean dennisverspuij/tb-correctidentity#21

There you write:

What I meant was that I would like to reply from the same address that the email was originally sent to, even if it ended up being delivered to a different one.

That is exactly what I want but without having an identity for that.

That can be accomplished using "customize address" as @martin3000 pointed out, but would I like to have it automatically, again, without having an identity for that email-address.

@zic-github
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Virtual Identity saves used From address.
Now I think we need to manually add that From address in

Account Settings > Manage Identities ... > [Add]

Isn't there any way to automatically saves the from address entered via "Customize From Address...* on reply?

@Globe51
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Globe51 commented Jan 27, 2023

Is this add-on now totally dead? From reading the comments it looks like new versions of Thunderbird have some, but not all, of the features from VI, but without the an option to autocomplete when creating a new email it means I will still be stuck on Thunderbird 60.9 :(

@chconnor
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AFAIK the idea is to get the remaining functionality into TB, so I don't think this plugin is being developed, no. I haven't seen any movement on the outstanding features that are still missing in TB, so I think we need a hero developer or three to come along and make it happen (our traditional hero developer was Rene / @absorb-it, but I haven't seen a post from them in a while, so I'm not sure if they are still involved in these features.)

To those of us that use these features, it's amazing that it isn't standard in all email programs, but I guess we're the weird ones. :-)

@markfilipak
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markfilipak commented Jan 27, 2023

I've found a work-around: For each of my favorite recipients, I struggle to craft a 'desired' email message (which I'm usually able to do), then I use those 'desired' email messages as templates for actual messages via "Edit As New Message". That allows me to bypass all the tinkering to get 'identities' right. In fact, I don't have to use 'identities' at all.

The Tbird developers just seem clueless regarding how an email program should work. They've crowbarred what should be simple sender-recipient pairs based on email headers into their rigid 'account' architecture, and then try to use identities to 'overcome' most of the architecture. I won't even mention what a pain it is to try to use one account's SMTP for a differing account.

PS: I'm running Tbird 102.4.2

@absorb-it
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Hi,

Is this add-on now totally dead?

definitely! There will be no such extension again, at least from my side. Still thinking about adding something like an auto-save feature for the senders address to the collected addresses which can be re-used for new emails. But can't say when or if this happens - there needs to be time for this, you can see updates probably in the ticket https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1679100
Problem is, that with the current situation it's really hard to do this as some add-on (will require thunderbird code changes as well), therefore I can only do and maintain this if it will go into the core thunderbird code - and this is obviously also difficult and more complex. But, maybe...

best regards, Rene

@cboling2
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Rene, I just want to say "thanks" for a very useful extension and all the work you've put into making the issues it sought to solve less painful. I'm still running TB 60 on my main PC, for this extension and one other; I have 102 on my laptop, where it's only occasionally used "in the field" for urgent business.

@githubbapoopa
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githubbapoopa commented Jun 8, 2023

I second that.
TB 60.9.0 (portable) with Virtual Identity 0.10.3 still working perfectly since years and years here.
Couple that with spamgourmet and choose a mail provider with an open mail relay and you can also reply with your spamgourmet (or in fact any) email address >Minimal spam in your main account.

You saved me so much trouble and time.

Thanks so much!!!

@sjau
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sjau commented Dec 28, 2023

Unfortunately this does not seem to work anymore. I did set

[x] Reply from this identity when delivery headers match: *@domain.tld

but when I actually reply to an email, it seems to chose the Delivered-To address over the To address header. The delivered-to address header is the actual email box and not the alias being used to differentiate all the services.

@larena1
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larena1 commented Jan 2, 2024

Unfortunately this does not seem to work anymore. I did set

[x] Reply from this identity when delivery headers match: *@domain.tld

but when I actually reply to an email, it seems to chose the Delivered-To address over the To address header. The delivered-to address header is the actual email box and not the alias being used to differentiate all the services.

I can confirm that it's not working anymore on the latest update of Thunderbird :/ it used to work for like the past 2 years or so but not anymore...

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 2, 2024

I can confirm that it's not working anymore on the latest update of Thunderbird :/ it used to work for like the past 2 years or so but not anymore...

The ReplyAsOriginalRecipient AddOn (from TB Addons directly or https://github.com/ThierryBZH/ReplyAsOriginalRecipient ) makes it work again.

@larena1
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larena1 commented Jan 2, 2024

Thanks but that addon is from 3 years ago and back then there wasn't even this functionality implemented in Thunderbird?

I'd rather prefer them to fix the regression they introduced recently but somebody would've to file a bug report with them and they would need to look into it...

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 3, 2024

Thanks but that addon is from 3 years ago and back then there wasn't even this functionality implemented in Thunderbird?

It still works.

I'd rather prefer them to fix the regression they introduced recently but somebody would've to file a bug report with them and they would need to look into it...

Me too, but until it's fixed I find that addon much more convenient than always copy'n'pasting the "from" address myself.

@absorb-it
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Unfortunately this does not seem to work anymore. I did set

[x] Reply from this identity when delivery headers match: *@domain.tld

but when I actually reply to an email, it seems to chose the Delivered-To address over the To address header. The delivered-to address header is the actual email box and not the alias being used to differentiate all the services.

Which version of TB you are using? I'm using TB 115.5.2 and it does seem to work.

Best regards, Rene

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 3, 2024

115.6.0 (64-bit)

Really loved the original Virtual Identity Addon :)

I create alias for every serivce that I need to supply an email address - mostly in the form of domain.tld_YYYY-MM-DD_UNIXTIMESTAMP@mydomain.tld

@larena1
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larena1 commented Jan 3, 2024

115.6.0 (64-bit)

I'm also on that version and can confirm it's not working for me either.

@mcanonic
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mcanonic commented Jan 3, 2024

Could you guys explain me how I can install this add-on since I've the 115.6.0 (64-bit) version and I would give it a try.

I've downloaded the zip file from github but it did not work: TB complains that the file is corrupted.

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 3, 2024

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Search the TB addons page for ReplyAsOriginalRecipient

@mcanonic
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mcanonic commented Jan 3, 2024

Thanks sjau.
I would just report that by clicking on the name, the link seems broken:
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/replyasoriginalrecipientup/?src=search

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 3, 2024

I used the addon search within Thunderbird and that worked just fine.

@KIMWW
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KIMWW commented Jan 3, 2024

I'm on v. 115.6.0 an it still works for me.

@larena1
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larena1 commented Jan 7, 2024

mozilla/releases-comm-central@aca3f4a

Found the culprit but somebody should file an issue and report this to Mozilla for them to fix it

@alexolog
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alexolog commented Jan 7, 2024

I don't understand, what is the issue?
mail.compose.catchAllHeaders is user-changeable, is it not?

@larena1
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larena1 commented Jan 7, 2024

It is but that commit still introduced a regression that should be fixed upstream

@alexolog
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alexolog commented Jan 8, 2024

No argument from me, but Mozilla sometimes take their sweet time fixing issues, so if changing that setting can be a workaround, why not document it here and save people some grief?

@sjau
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sjau commented Jan 9, 2024

my current workaround is using that addon for the time being.

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