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Reggae and dancehall in the genre tree #1661

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Freso opened this Issue Oct 27, 2015 · 4 comments

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Freso commented Oct 27, 2015

Right now we have reggae and dance hall under caribbean and latin american. This is fine. But then ska is its own "top" genre, with the child dancehall. I would say that dance hall should be a child of dancehall so it can get normalised, and I would either place everything under caribbean and latin american or make a reggae a top genre with ska, dancehall, roots reggae, dub, ragga etc. as children.

(We also have ragga jungle under ska and ragga-jungle under oldschool jungle (under drum and bass).)

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Hmm, yes—that "dance hall" discrepancy is particularly glaring. A top-level reggae, separate from Caribbean/Latin, makes sense to me. (Although I'm only a casual reggae listener!)

100% approved if you'd like to make changes.

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sampsyo commented Oct 27, 2015

Hmm, yes—that "dance hall" discrepancy is particularly glaring. A top-level reggae, separate from Caribbean/Latin, makes sense to me. (Although I'm only a casual reggae listener!)

100% approved if you'd like to make changes.

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AudioGalaxy's genre tree also had "reggae" as a top level genre, with dancehall et al being sub genres of that. One historical note is that ska actually is a precursor to reggae, not the other way around, but as Wikipedia notes (emphasis mine):

Reggae is a music genre that originated in Jamaica in the late 1960s. _While sometimes used in a broad sense to refer to most types of popular Jamaican dance music_, the term reggae more properly denotes a particular music style that was strongly influenced by traditional mento and calypso music, as well as American jazz and rhythm and blues, especially the New Orleans R&B practiced by Fats Domino and Allen Toussaint, and evolved out of the earlier genres ska and rocksteady.

So I think it is probably okay to use "reggae" as the top genre, as long as we also add "roots reggae" as a way to include "real" reggae for the distinguished reggae listeners.

I'll try and get this changed tomorrow. Way too late to even be up right now to begin with…

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AudioGalaxy's genre tree also had "reggae" as a top level genre, with dancehall et al being sub genres of that. One historical note is that ska actually is a precursor to reggae, not the other way around, but as Wikipedia notes (emphasis mine):

Reggae is a music genre that originated in Jamaica in the late 1960s. _While sometimes used in a broad sense to refer to most types of popular Jamaican dance music_, the term reggae more properly denotes a particular music style that was strongly influenced by traditional mento and calypso music, as well as American jazz and rhythm and blues, especially the New Orleans R&B practiced by Fats Domino and Allen Toussaint, and evolved out of the earlier genres ska and rocksteady.

So I think it is probably okay to use "reggae" as the top genre, as long as we also add "roots reggae" as a way to include "real" reggae for the distinguished reggae listeners.

I'll try and get this changed tomorrow. Way too late to even be up right now to begin with…

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lastgenre: Replace top-level genre `ska` with `reggae`…
… and move relevant genres from the tree to be children of the `reggae`
top-level genre as well as add `roots reggae` to the list.

See discussion at #1661

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Or not… Definitely bed time now!

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Freso commented Oct 29, 2015

Or not… Definitely bed time now!

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Nice! Thanks, @Freso. 😴

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sampsyo commented Oct 29, 2015

Nice! Thanks, @Freso. 😴

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