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phildini opened this issue Dec 27, 2014 · 16 comments

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commented Dec 27, 2014

Not sure if others agree with me, but it would be neat to see each /post page also list all the replies to that post. Thoughts?

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commented Dec 28, 2014

It seems like this post http://bigboringsystem.com/post/post!1419794369 might put the kibosh on this issue. I'm going to wait for @ednapiranha to weigh in before nixing it, though.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

yeah i've never seen anything positive from non-ephemeral online content that contains a history of connected replies. because that could also run further - what if we want to see everything from the reply to the reply to the reply to the original parent?

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commented Dec 29, 2014

I don't disagree with you.

I think if the goal is to avoid threadedness, one-upping, and the problems that current forum-based systems have, I'm curious why we have replies at all?

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commented Dec 29, 2014

I guess it's remisicnet of link web logs; having the main heading refer back to the original piece but the body just being a response.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

There is a difference between having a weak reference to which your post is a reply to vs a full threaded system.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

-1 on a full threaded system.

But it would be nice to see a list of direct replies at the bottom of a post. Not threads, just the first level deep. Closer in spirit to tumblr's "notes" list (though of course that's a very different semantic).

I can see this being used for spam, of course. Maybe some kind of author-approval? Like, reply links aren't shown unless the author approves them, so that we're not trivially sucked into conversations that are abusive or annoying?

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commented Dec 29, 2014

The problem with author approval is that we are turning this into every other blogging system where applying more work for people in order to just write things. Now having authors manager comments, etc. I see the worse case scenario of the following:

  1. author writes post
  2. it gets posted on reddit/hn/4chan, people sign in and start writing offensive things or being obnoxious
  3. they flag the response (which isn't really a comment, it's another post)
  4. then operators are called in to ban the user
  5. author repeats the cycle and is burnt out from managing, asks for a feature to disable replies - connected, operators feel frustrated

Unless this can be solved, I feel like adding a feature like this just causes more problems than creates solutions.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

Could you embed a hidden list of reply links somewhere in the HTML as JSON, so a bookmarklet could expose them personally? Seems like that kind of obfuscation could be enough to not attract spammers and trolls since it wouldn't be apparent that you can flood replies...

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commented Dec 29, 2014

I don't think hiding it really solves it either. I'm not really convinced at least. I would suggest possibly forking BBS and doing a proof of concept on your own version and see how that pans out vs just making a PR right away to hotfix the issue so we can experiment.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

Makes sense. I do like the "push features to bookmarklets" concept you've played with in the past, would be interesting to see how that could work for some things on BBS.

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commented Dec 29, 2014

So, moderation is going to be a problem eventually. The only thing stopping spammers today is the need to have a SMS-friendly phone number to use the system. Automating that somehow is probably overly expensive for spammers, but not for abusers.

It would require some way to say that replies are allowed/moderated (+email)/moderated (no email)/disabled. Also, the default should be a profile setting, so that I don't have to set it each time (unless I want to change the default, for some reason).

I don't agree that this turns BBS into "every other blogging system". In fact, I think it's an important part of making BBS fill a really nice niche between twitter (micro content, fast conversation, like public IM) and medium (macro content, high production, like essays).

I write stuff because of the conversation it causes, but without a way to be engaged in that conversation, I'm less likely to put my stuff on BBS rather than Tumblr or twitter, because those systems nail the conversation features (albeit in variously clumsy ways that focus more on the advertisers' experience rather than my experience).

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commented Dec 29, 2014

so @isaacs can we have a forked version built with a proof of concept of some reply mechanism that you are thinking of? that way we can experiment with various branches w/o causing too much change on the live one. then when we are ready we can pick what we all think works best. what do you think?

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commented Dec 29, 2014

@ednapiranha This is clearly the correct approach. I will fork and mess around with it.

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commented Dec 30, 2014

I was just playing with the idea a bit and was thinking that perhaps we could have a my replies feed. The menu item could be used to handle notifications, and styles within the feed could be used to show what has been read and not read. This would make it easy to see who has replied to you posts, although it would avoid creating true threads.

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commented Dec 30, 2014

more notes from chat:

I totally agree with not having threads. That is why I think a feed of responses could be really interesting. It is not "globally available", it is not viewable as a thread that can be one upped, and sanitizing that kind of stream would be trivial (similar to mute in meatspace)

isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 2, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 2, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.

@isaacs isaacs added the server-side label Jan 3, 2015

isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 3, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 3, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 3, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 4, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 4, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 4, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 5, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 5, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 6, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 6, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 7, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.
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commented Jan 7, 2015

isaacs added a commit to isaacs/bigboringsystem that referenced this issue Jan 7, 2015
Store replies to posts, show under the post body
First step towards bigboringsystem#35.

Also deletes the boolean/array portions when doing export, since these
aren't supported by manual CSV.

Todo:

- Clean up reply links on post deletion
- Allow target post author to delete reply links
- Add a "reply" link under the post to encourage replying
- Pagination?  Top-level "my replies" tab?
- Enable/disable reply links per-post

It'd be nice to be able to block reply links from a specific user
entirely.  (Ie, maybe they're not bannable, but they are annoying, more
like a mute feature.)  The user would still be able to post the reply
link, but it wouldn't show up anywhere.

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