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Rewrite Innovation page #224
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You can say a lot about bitcoin, but "highly efficient" isn't one of them. Bitcoin potentially reduces transaction costs by eliminating authorities who can use their authority to force themselves (or their friends) into the value chain where they can sit an extract rent. ... but the technology required to accomplish this is really inefficient, needing global flooding and such. |
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If we calculate the middlemens as a part of those systems, aren't they less efficients? For sure, the technology itself in terms of processing power / bandwidth usage is much less efficient, but current banking networks need more than just technology to process money transfer, they need a lot of inefficient human resources. I suppose that it's like comparing TCP/IP with old phone networks working with human operators, the later was much more simple and efficient only from a technological point of view. Or is my comparison incorrect? |
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I will take time to rework that page differently a bit later based on Gregory Maxwell and Mike Hearn comments. |
gladoscc
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Aug 22, 2013
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I suggest rewording "Giving you control over your money". For one, users need to take proactive action such as encryption and cold storage backups in order to keep their Bitcoins safe, and this may give a user the false impression that it is secure out of the box. In addition, protection against transaction reversing requires a number of confirmations to be safe. |
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You know, I think this set of changes is good and should be merged, but I was thinking after reading some of the new comments by Lawsky that maybe we can even do a better job on an innovation page than this. His basic problem is he doesn't understand why anyone would use Bitcoin other than to be anonymous. So our message about innovation hasn't reached him. I'm not convinced he's actually read our website at all, but perhaps the journalists who question him on the matter will do, so it'd be great if we have a really convincing innovation section of the website. What I'm thinking of is something with a different layout than a list of header+content sections as we have now, perhaps something more like the press center where there are images, videos, a more engaging layout etc. Something more memorable. I'd like to cover a lot of the research we've done in recent times:
Let's stay away from some of the more exotic ideas or ones that are themselves subject to complicated regulation like peer to peer lending, it'd just be distracting. The stuff above is pretty non-controversially Good Stuff(tm) that no reasonable person could dislike. Perhaps there could be a large-ish graphic or photo for each one, a brief description of the technology and why it's better than what we have today. We could even have a video, though I'm not sure what would work. The talk I gave last year in London has inspired a lot of people (I know this because they come up to me at conferences and say so), though it does cover in its later parts things like P2P bond markets and currency exchanges. But I guess the innovation page must also appeal to programmers and not just regulators ;) |
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@mikehearn : Actually I have already some of the texts merged together (locally) and I was about to focus on more concrete innovative use cases as you suggested. I can try something about the layout, and take some time to search and play with stock photos to see if I can put some life in here. If you have some suggestions about some nice graphical content from the community that we could use (Trezor is a potential one), please email me. Texts from you are also welcome, as you're very good on these matters. |
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I have just updated the page and the live preview, with many texts merged, dropped and added. Proofreading and suggestions are welcome. Fancy pictures will probably be added seperately. |
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A few things I saw: Multi-signature accounts (not signatures, despite what would make logical sense - however in the text it is correct) By lowering transaction fees, Bitcoin can process payments in the scale of a dollar <-- penny. Bitcoin can and routinely does do much less than a dollar. Existing payment systems just about manage to handle $1 payments if they strain really hard, so that's not a very compelling comparison. Bitcoin makes it possible to send tips locally or around the globe with a simple gesture. <-- not sure what "simple gesture" refers to here. Perhaps "just one click" is better. For the micropayments section, how about this text: "Bitcoin can process payments far smaller than any other system. Payments smaller than a penny are routine even today, and the community is developing new technology that allows for micro-billing of services. Imagine listening to internet radio paid by the second, viewing web pages with a micropayment for each ad not shown, or buying bandwidth from a WiFi hotspot by the kilobyte. Bitcoin is efficient enough to make all these possible. Learn more about the technology behind Bitcoin micropayments https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/WorkingWithMicropayments" Donations and crowdfunding -> the text doesn't actually mention crowdfunding as I had imagined it :) How about: "Bitcoin has proven to be a particularly efficient solution for donations. Sending a payment only requires one click and receiving donations can be as simple as displaying a QR code. Donations can also be visible for the public, giving increased transparency. Although not yet easy to use, Bitcoin can be used to run Kickstarter-style crowdfunding campaigns, in which individuals pledge money to a project that is taken from them only if enough pledges are received to meet the target. Learn more about the technology behind crowdfunding https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Contracts#Example_3:_Assurance_contracts" Overall I still feel like this page is rather like an advert - it's hard to strike the right balance here between promoting the possibilities and giving enough technical depth to appeal to developers. Let's go with this one for now, and I'm going to have a crack at a new version when I have time. |
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New texts: Thanks! I adapted them to fit in the available space. I dedicated a seperate text to crowdfunding and donations, and dropped text about predictability. Marketing: Dropped suggestive language (amazing, superior, better, change the world, etc.) and replaced one icon. If not perfect, I guess it should be "better than better than worse". New version: Perfect. I will wait for these texts to be more stable before making them translatable and paying for stock pictures. Micro payments: This one is subject to debate. Can transaction fees reasonably be expected to scale with price increase? Right now it seems like if bitcoin's price increases 10 fold next year, it would cost 0.13$ to send a 0.20$ payment. The "Developers" page has been recently updated to display a very conservative number for that reason: http://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-for-developers . |
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I plan to merge this pull request tomorrow. More reviews and proofreading are welcome. |
luke-jr
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Oct 6, 2013
| + global: "Global payment network" | ||
| + globaltext: "All payments everywhere in the world can be fully interoperable. Bitcoin allows any bank, business or individual to securely send and receive payments with each other anywhere at any time. Bitcoin is available in a large number of countries that still remain out of reach for most payment systems due to their own limitations. Bitcoin increases global access to online commerce and it can help international trades to flourish." | ||
| + transparency: "Flexible transparency" | ||
| + transparencytext: "All Bitcoin transactions are public and transparent and the identity of the people behind the payments is private by default. This allows individuals and organizations to work with flexible transparency rules. For instance, a business can choose to reveal certain transactions and balances only to certain employees just like a non-profit organization is free to allow the public to see how much they receive through donations." | ||
| + trust: "Solving issues with trust" | ||
| + trusttext: "Bitcoin offers solutions to many of the trust problems that plague banks. With selective accounting transparency, digital contracts, and irreversible transactions, Bitcoin can be used as a ground to restore trust and agreement. Crooked banks cannot cheat the system to make a profit at the expense of other banks or the public. A future in which major banks would support Bitcoin could help to reinstate integrity and trust in financial institutions." | ||
| + resiliency: "Resiliency and decentralization" | ||
| + resiliencytext: "By its high decentralization, Bitcoin created a different form of payment network with an increased level of resilience and redundancy. Bitcoin can handle millions of dollars in trades without requiring military protection. With no central point of failure such as a data center, attacking the network is a more difficult project. For this reason, Bitcoin could represent an interesting step forward in securing financial systems." | ||
| + predictable: "Predictability and neutrality" | ||
| + predictabletext: "Bitcoin is the first form of money to be fully neutral, transparent and predictable. Because Bitcoin is backed by mathematics, the payment network and the number of bitcoins in circulation cannot be manipulated. There is no closed doors, central money issuer or any other form of authority. Bitcoin is a fully automated financial system. As an unprecedented experiment, it will be very exciting to discover what Bitcoin will accomplish." | ||
| + multisig: "Multi-signature accounts" | ||
| + multisigtext: "Multiple signatures allow a transaction to be accepted by the network only if a certain number of a defined group of persons agree to sign the transaction. This feature could be used by a board of directors to prevent any member to spend parts of their treasury without other member's consent. This can also be used by banks to prevent theft by blocking transactions above a certain threshold if the user do not provide additional credentials." | ||
| + mediation: "Dispute mediation" | ||
| + mediationtext: "Bitcoin can be used to develop innovative dispute mediation services using multiple signatures. Such services could make it possible for a third party to approve or reject a transaction in case of disagreement between the other parties without having control on their money. Since these services would be compatible with any user and merchant using Bitcoin, this would likely lead to free competition and higher quality standards." | ||
| + micro: "Micro payments" | ||
| + microtext: "Bitcoin can process payments to the scale of a penny and might continue to do so in the future. Such payments are routine even today. Imagine listening to internet radio paid by the second, viewing web pages with a small tip for each ad not shown, or buying bandwidth from a WiFi hotspot by the kilobyte. Bitcoin is efficient enough to make all of these ideas possible. <a href=\"https://code.google.com/p/bitcoinj/wiki/WorkingWithMicropayments\">Learn more</a> about the technology behind Bitcoin micro payments." |
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Gavin is rewriting how fees work exactly to avoid this problem of fee not scaling with exchange rate. So what I wrote is observably correct (just go look at the block explorer ...) |
saivann commentedAug 8, 2013
This pull req can be previewed live here:
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Current Innovation page is incomplete and could be much improved to cover what is outstanding about the network and better explain it's real value and nature. I tried to produce good quality and fixed length texts covering most interesting quotes that have been used about Bitcoin and what has been observed in the last years.