Its long since time we removed satoshi from the developers list

[TheBlueMatt]

Satoshi hasn't done anything in a long time. For a list of people who should be considered active developers, he clearly does not belong.

[saivann]

FWIW, people often refered to this list for Satoshi's PGP key, and it seems like his email was removed to imply he was inactive implicitly. Do Satoshi still have push access to the repository? As far as I'm concerned, I'm OK both with keeping or removing Satoshi from the list.

[TheBlueMatt]

No one should be encrypting to satoshi's PGP key these days anyway, he should be considered gone, IMO.

[saivann]

@TheBlueMatt I think it was in order to verify Satoshi's signature in the future rather than encrypting with his PGP keys. But I agree this provides few value here beside historical purpose.

[gmaxwell]

I have some mild reason to believe that satoshi doesn't have access to that pgp key anymore. Though if we wanted to move it to a legacy section, that would also be sensible.

[saivann]

LGTM. In the absence of critical feedback, this pull request will be merged on August 5th.

[jgarzik]

I think it is quite lame to just remove him like that.

[saivann]

@jgarzik Any suggestion regarding how the list should be managed / how to deal with this specific question?

[luke-jr]

Note this isn't removing the key, just the list entry. People can still link to the key just fine.

[TheBlueMatt]

Yes, sorry, I mentioned this on IRC but not here. This very deliberately does not remove his key file, just the list entry.

[gmaxwell]

How about above the list, "The Bitcoin system is the invention and design of Satoshi Nakamoto <email/pgp> who first described it a whitepaper (whitepaper link) and in an original feature complete implementation (link to first release?). Satoshi is no longer active in Bitcoin but the codebase he began is now maintained and developed by a community of volunteers."

[saivann]

A simple

tag above the list would look as follow ("Satoshi" could link to the PGP key, and "whitepaper" to the pdf, perhaps)

[instagibbs]

"The Bitcoin system is the invention and design of Satoshi Nakamoto who first described it in a whitepaper and an original feature-complete implementation. Satoshi is no longer active in Bitcoin but the codebase he began is now maintained and developed by a community of volunteers."

Couple of grammar edits, but I like the gist. Could even be below the list.

[TheBlueMatt]

I disagree with linking to satoshi's pgp key anywhere, but in general that LGTM. Maybe an even shorter "The Bitcoin system was originally designed by Satoshi Nakamoto. Their [or his, depending on your choice of pronoun for satoshi] original Bitcoin codebase is now being maintained as Bitcoin Core by the following developers and a community of volunteers." (note that laanjw gets paid for his work on Bitcoin Core, so he's not a volunteer)

[gmaxwell]

@TheBlueMatt Contributors who are paid still serve as volunteers (they might be paid to work on Bitcoin stuff, but they are still contributing as individuals), but sure easier to avoid some confusion.

[luke-jr]

FWIW, I vote to just delete the list entirely. It's too focused on one codebase and causes more problems than it solves.

Edit: Nevermind, apparently some people see this as useful enough to keep.

[jgarzik]

The URLs to the whitepaper and satoshi PGP key should remain working for all eternity.

[saivann]

@jgarzik This pull request isn't removing /satoshinakamoto.asc and /bitcoin.pdf , so no link should be broken. Are you OK with the last suggestion by @TheBlueMatt ?

Here is a live preview and branch:
http://bitcointest1.us.to/en/development
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/commits/satoshi

[saivann]

For the record, I am not merging the pull request in order to leave some time to @jgarzik to comment on the last suggestions.

[saivann]

In the absence of critical feedback, I will merge changes in the commits and live preview displayed below on August 8th (@TheBlueMatt, feel free to update your branch).

http://bitcointest1.us.to/en/development
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/commits/satoshi

[TheBlueMatt]

"being maintained by these project maintainers" sounds very redundant. Maybe "is now maintained as Bitcoin Core by the following individuals as well as a community or volunteers"

Matt

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In the absence of critical feedback, I will merge changes in the
commits and live preview displayed below on August 8th (@TheBlueMatt,
feel free to update your branch).

http://bitcointest1.us.to/en/development
https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.org/commits/satoshi

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[saivann]

@TheBlueMatt Then let's just use "developers", this last change was suggested by @jgarzik, but both sound good to me.

[TheBlueMatt]

Sure, "is now maintained as Bitcoin Core by the following developers as well as a community or volunteers" Sgtm

On August 7, 2014 4:21:17 PM PDT, saivann notifications@github.com wrote:

@TheBlueMatt Then let's just use "developers", this last change was
suggested by @jgarzik, both sound good to me.

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