China Dictatorship 中国独裁统治
- 1. FAQ 常见问答集
- 1.1. Why attack websites with censored keywords?
- 1.2. Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow
- 1.3. Why would China be better without its Dictatorship?
- 1.3.1. Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer?
- 1.3.2. Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?
- 1.3.3. The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power
- 1.3.4. The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy
- 1.4. Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?
- 1.4.1. Embargoes make the dictatorship stronger
- 1.4.2. Keyword attacks on programming websites will never have any effect
- 1.4.3. Stack Overflow and GitHub could be blocked at no cost by the Chinese government
- 1.5. Would ending the great firewall truly end the dictatorship?
- 1.6. This is your personal problem, we have nothing to do with it, stop punishing us for it
- 1.7. If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country
- 1.8. Non-Chinese people cannot interfere in Chinese politics
- 1.9. Ciro Santilli and this repository are completely biased against the Chinese Government!
- 1.10. China is fine as it is, stop making it worse
- 1.11. There are bad things happening all over the world, why don’t you fight for those causes as well / instead?
- 1.11.1. Western democracies are not perfect
- 1.11.2. Russia
- 1.12. Is the Chinese government is evil?
- 1.12.1. Chinese politicians really care about the Chinese citizens
- 1.12.2. Is Chinese politician X evil?
- 184.108.40.206. Xi Jinping 习近平
- 220.127.116.11. Mao Zedong 毛泽东
- 1.13. Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany
- 1.14. Personal questions about Ciro Santilli
- 1.14.1. Can I contact you in Chinese?
- 1.14.2. Has Ciro Santilli you ever lived in China?
- 1.14.3. Is Ciro Santilli Chinese?
- 1.14.4. Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese?
- 1.14.5. Why did you start the keyword attack?
- 1.14.6. Are you a radical?
- 1.14.7. Are you a SJW?
- 1.14.8. Do you hate China?
- 1.14.9. Are you doing this just to become famous?
- 1.14.10. Would you be doing this if you were in China?
- 1.14.11. Is your campaign funded or otherwise supported by some organization?
- 1.14.12. Doesn’t Ciro Santilli have anything better to do?
- 1.15. Were you influenced by the Cute cat theory of digital activism?
- 1.16. People in China have already considered democracy, and rejected it
- 1.17. Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP?
- 1.18. Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship?
- 1.19. What is a screen name keyword attack?
- 1.19.1. Do Stack Overflow policies allow for keyword attacks?
- 1.19.2. What are the best sources of anti-commie news?
- 1.19.3. Where can I find good words for a keyword attack?
- 1.19.4. How do you choose keyword for the keyword attack?
- 1.19.5. Are there other openly dissident users on Stack Overflow?
- 1.19.6. Other notable keyword attacks
- 1.20. Separatism
- 1.20.1. Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國
- 1.20.2. Xinjiang 新疆
- 1.20.3. Hong Kong 香港
- 1.21. What should all pro-democracy people do about China?
- 1.21.1. Photobombing-like attacks
- 1.21.2. What should Western countries do about China?
- 1.21.3. Companies that comply to Chinese censorship requests
- 1.22. What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship?
- 1.23. Ciro Santilli’s reply policy
- 1.24. Who is behind this amazing FAQ?
- 1.25. How do different websites view Ciro Santilli’s profile?
- 1.26. Christianity
- 1.27. Falun Gong
- 1.27.1. Falun Gong is not important to be worth discussing
- 1.27.2. Do you believe in or practice Falun Gong?
- 1.27.3. Do you support FLG just because your wife and mother-in-law do it?
- 1.27.4. How much do you know about Falun Gong’s claims?
- 1.27.5. What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?
- 1.27.6. Do you support FLG, or just use it because it is a censored?
- 1.27.7. How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers?
- 1.27.8. In the Tweet about his mother in law, Ciro Santilli says "correctional facility", but reeducation through labour has been abolished
- 1.27.9. Falun Gong is completely different in the West than it was in China
- 1.27.10. FLG has been funded by the US government at least once, therefore it is evil
- 1.27.11. FLG is illegal in China, we must follow the law
- 1.27.12. FLG is fake
- 1.27.13. Many people both are against censorship and FLG
- 1.27.14. Many people say they do FLG only to get VISAs to the USA
- 1.27.15. I have personally seen people do bad things because of Falun Gong
- 1.27.16. FLG does not have proof of their persecution claims
- 1.27.17. Someone from movement X did something bad, therefore the movement should be banned
- 1.27.18. People from movement X are only in it for political power
- 1.27.19. Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons
- 1.27.20. Do you believe in the allegations of human rights violations done to Falun Gong believers?
- 1.27.21. Falun Gong overviews
- 1.27.22. Things I personally dislike about FLG
- 18.104.22.168. FLG downplays the fact that it is a religion
- 22.214.171.124. FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized
- 126.96.36.199. FLG dislikes several other groups like homosexuals and some other religions
- 188.8.131.52. FLG believers are less likely to take necessary medication
- 184.108.40.206. FLG is dangerous because LHZ has too much power over followers
- 220.127.116.11. Some FLG people make phone telemarketing
- 1.27.23. Falun Gong bibliography
- 2. News 新闻
- 3. Dissidents 持不同政见者
- 4. Media 媒体
- 4.1. Commentary media
- 4.2. Biased media
- 5. Videos 视频
- 6. Funny 搞笑
- 7. Art 艺术
- 8. Policies 政策
- 8.1. Censorship 审查
- 8.1.1. The Great Firewall is necessary to protect China from harmful USA propaganda
- 8.1.2. Censorship monitoring
- 8.1.3. gfwlist
- 8.1.4. Censorship circumvention
- 8.1.5. 50 Cent Party 五毛党
- 8.2. Social Credit System 社会信用体系
- 8.3. Belt and Road Initiative 一带一路
- 8.1. Censorship 审查
- 9. The best Chinese traditional instrumental music albums
- 10. The best Chinese restaurants outside of China 中国以外最好的中国饭店
- 10.1. Introduction
- 10.2. France 法国
- 10.3. United Kingdom 英国
- 10.3.1. London 伦敦
- 10.3.2. Cambridge 剑桥
- 10.3.3. Oxford 牛津
- 10.3.4. Sheffield 谢菲尔德
- 10.4. Brazil 巴西
- 10.5. Canada 加拿大
- 11. Tips to learn Chinese
- 12. Other interesting GitHub information repositories
- 13. Git mirrors of this repository
- 14. Backlinks to this repository
- 15. Other sections
This would then end Censorship 审查.
The keyword attacks increase the cost of censorship.
If commies censor things, they will get worse IT technology, and thus become less less rich and militarily powerful.
Since all they care about, like any other politicians, is power, the only way to make them stop censorship is to make the cost of censorship higher than not censoring.
Without the threat that China will be less technologically, and therefore militarily advanced, there is no incentive for the CCP to destroy the firewall.
The goal is to put them in a position where they have to choose between either:
having military power
remaining a dictatorship
but not both, since having both means that they will start WW3 and destroy humanity
Related attack: Photobombing-like attacks.
This is not a revenge of any kind.
I know I am harming you on the short term, and I don’t like myself for it.
But I believe that this harm is a necessary means to reach my real goal, which is to destroy the firewall, and the dictatorship.
Don’t you think it is worth a try? Destroying the firewall, would enormously benefit not only Chinese programmers, but every single other Chinese person too.
And by the way, by contributing to open source, I am already helping China, and all underdeveloped countries become stronger.
See also: Keyword attack profiles disturb me.
Is the Chinese government using the Internet the way it was meant to be used, by investing billions in Censorship 审查?
What about 996.ICU? Did you also complain about it, or did you just star it like 250k of your fellow programmers?
Any act of protest will use things in ways that it was not meant to be used.
For example, the street is not meant to showcase protest banners, it is meant to be a passageway for cars.
As engineers, we have a moral responsibility towards society. We should not blindly follow orders of those in power if it violates our principles, e.g. build weapons or censorship mechanisms. And we should freely express our principles and violation concerns.
Making a statement where no one will ever see it, like a personal website, is sure to have no effect.
Much of the best art and technology is about using something in a way that it wasn’t meant to be used.
Finally, the political powers of each website decide what is allowed or not on their website, and what is not allowed gets blocked. So far, Stack Overflow and GitHub’s Terms of Service have said go ahead.
Stack Overflow threads: Do Stack Overflow policies allow for keyword attacks?.
If you disagree with GitHub’s Terms of Service, you can write an email to them to: firstname.lastname@example.org telling them that.
1.2.1. Is Ciro Santilli making programming contributions with the main intent of promoting your political agenda?
No, that is just a side effect.
Also, as I’ve said elsewhere, my actions are very unlikely to have any actions. Much more likely to have any action, would be for me to become rich and powerful first, and the best way to do that is to invest in whatever I think is most useful.
Actually, it can even be argued that I’m somewhat irrational, since I would much more likely become rich and powerful by bowing down to the CCP and trying to get their money instead.
On the other hand, becoming rich and powerful is also highly unlikely, so maybe I’m just taking a low risk low reward path?
I have very little free time, and will never do something for political reasons, only things that interest me technically.
Finally, do you really think I’d be able to make such awesome projects if I had primarily political considerations in mind? XD
I just think that website is great, and want to push it to perfection, in particular with better Google keyword hits, and uniform gramatically correct titles.
If you think that any of my edits were harmful, please ping me and open a meta thread to discuss specific edits, and I will comply with consensus.
Because it would make China, and the world:
There is infinite debate about this out there, some examples:
dictatorships are more likely to start Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war? or other crazy policies like the Great Leap Forward, which completely destroy the economy in one go
society becomes richer when people know that they can do their startups, get rich, and stay in the country without fear of being persecuted unfairly and losing everything instead of migrating to Canada.
Any criticism of the government, even if constructive, is taken as menace to power, and more likely to be shut down, which makes the government and just becomes less efficient since there is less feedback.
governments are monopolies, and the more powerful they are, the worst it is for competition an efficiency in general. E.g.: the startup with better government ties wins, instead of the most efficient one.
presidents only care about the 4-8 year horizon, while dictators can make longer term decisions to maintain power forever, their power being limited only by "the people are happy enough to not start a revolution"
dictatorships can make changes faster without the same amount of discussion that happens in democracies, where power is more spread out.
Killing a million people will make us richer? No problem, let’s do it.
That is great when they make good decisions, but it sucks when they make bad ones more likely.
I really like Posner’s way of putting it:
While average rate of growth do not appear to differ much between democracies and authoritarian regimes, the variability in performance does differ more among authoritarian governments. China has had remarkable growth since the 1980s, but the prolonged devastation and hardship produced by China’s "Great Leap Forward 大跃进 (1958-1960)" (when millions of farmers starved to death) and its Cultural Revolution would unlikely have occurred in a democratic country like say India. Nor is it likely that say Cuba and many African nations would have suffered so long with such terrible economic policies if they had reasonably democratic institutions.
Maybe China was poor because of Mao’s crazy communist regime. Similar regimes also made Russia poor. And yes, before that exploitation by the West may have been a factor.
Definitely, the current regime is better than Mao’s, but just imagine how rich China could be if it had more freedom and justice.
Imperial China lost the race for the Industrial Revolution. Will another dictatorship be able to stay on top of the next technological revolution?
Dictatorships need Censorship 审查 to survive, and they must control all information to make themselves always look good: Would ending the great firewall truly end the dictatorship?.
As a result, knowledge of problems flows more slowly, and therefore they also take longer to solve.
Maybe this hurts the argument, but Hillary agrees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccGzOJHE1rw&feature=youtu.be&t=2110 "Secretary Clinton Speaks on Internet Freedom", U.S. Department of State, 2010-01-22 :-)
But countries that restrict free access to information or violate the basic rights of internet users risk walling themselves off from the progress of the next century
This is also the basis of a What is a screen name keyword attack?.
Also mentioned at: Google versus China - VPRO documentary - 2011
This is also well illustrated in the HBO 2019 miniseries "Chernobyl", which suggests that part of the reason why Chernobyl happened is because of the Soviet Union’s obsession to save face.
Or if you prefer:
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
Amartya Sen is another famous proponent of similar arguments in the area of hungers: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/211/44284.html (archive)
In democratic countries, even very poor ones, the survival of the ruling government would be threatened by famine, since elections are not easy to win after famines; nor is it easy to withstand criticism of opposition parties and newspapers. That is why famine does not occur in democratic countries. Unfortunately, there are a great many countries in the world which do not yet have democratic systems.
although like any other political argument, some disagree.
Virus outbreaks and other natural disasters also illustrate this well: Initial censorship of the 2020 Corona Virus.
The Chinese Government censored the initial outbreak, which likely made the situation much worse than what it could have been:
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-information-crackdown-on-wuhan-coronavirus-2020-1 "China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists" (archive)
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xykx/you-can-now-go-to-jail-in-china-for-criticizing-beijings-coronavirus-response "You Can Now Go to Jail in China for Criticizing Beijing’s Coronavirus Response"
Doctor Li Wenliang reported the virus, but was told by authorities to stay quiet, and later died from the virus, becoming somewhat of a martyr:
The following excerpt from his forced confession trended:
Can you manage? Do you understand?
This has been discussed to death:
Some arguments include:
the people who will actually fight and die on the front can’t vote against it
dictators have huge power, so if they put it in their heads that they want to start a war, it is much harder for sensible people to stop them
dictators need to keep the people in fear all the time to keep their power, and a war is a great way to achieve that
This is a common strategy, but the West is not as evil as they say:
Once upon a time, there was a farmer with a farm.
One day, the animals in the farm started feeling a bit trapped, and started bumping against the fence to get out.
The farmer, however, was smart, and told the animals:
Careful! There is a wolf outside! If you go out, you will be eaten by the wolf!
The animals, were not that smart, and listened to the farmer, they were afraid!
From time to time, one of the animals would disappear (and without their knowledge, reappear on the farmer’s dinner table).
But the farmer kept giving the animals delicious food without them doing any effort, so they decided to believe the farmer’s explanation that that animal had escaped and been eaten by the wolf.
Maybe, there was actually a wolf outside. But if they had escaped, only some of the animals would have been eaten by that wolf.
But by staying in the farm, all the animals were, sooner or later, eaten one by one.
When will they be ready? Who decides? What if they think that they are ready now?
But how would they be interested in politics or be able to discuss, if it is impossible to a different view without going to jail?
The keyword attack is basically an embargo.
There is already a lot of literature about this, specially in the cases of Cuba and North Korea. It is basically a libertarian vs conservative / Cato vs Heritage thing in the US:
The key dilemma is is:
if we keep contact with the Dictatorship, maybe its people will see that democracy is better and start a liberating revolution
if we keep giving technology to the Dictatorship and it does not become a democracy, we are making a Dictatorship more technologically advanced, and therefore dangerous
Some interesting aspects of the keyword attack embargo:
it is immediately self enforcing: we don’t need politicians to decide and enforce the complex "if you do this, we punish you like that" question.
By political and technological information is together, and this immediately puts the dictatorship in a bad spot, without us having to decide anything.
by affecting programmers in particular through Stack Overflow and GitHub, we make them more likely to develop better Firewall climbing tools themselves
One point in favor of the embargo is that China has opened up since the 80’s 90’s, but did freedom improve at all? Under Xi Jinping 习近平, it may be argued that it did not, and maybe that we should just stop feeding them technology and accept that they won’t become free.
Trump’s 2019 China trade war, and in particular the Huawei ban, is an event that have brought this question to the spotlight once again.
That is true with high probability, just like any other individual which tries to influence 1B people.
Every action is statistical: I just push the balance a little bit towards freedom.
This FAQ and any talk is useless. You and I are wasting our times here.
The possibility of blocking Stack Overflow and GitHub is 1000x more useful than any talk, but it is still useless.
However, potentially blocking those websites takes 0 of my time, I just leave the content there, so it is worth my time.
To have an idea, in 2015 there are about:
20M developers in the world
2M in China : https://www.quora.com/Approximately-how-many-programmers-are-there-in-the-world http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/there-are-185-million-software-developers-in-the-world-but-which-country-has-the-most/
5M Stack Overflow users http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/227868/select-count-from-users
TODO I wonder what percentage of GDP those programmers control. I’ll bet any programmer on Stack Overflow is at least 5x more powerful than the average Chinese.
And if we never start somewhere, nothing will ever happen.
Hitting the block button has of course no cost.
The cost of blocking Stack Overflow lies of course in the loss of information, and slower technological development, see also: Why attack websites with censored keywords?
Remember that it is not possible for the Chinese government to block only certain pages of HTTPS websites due to encryption: either the entire IP / domain name is blocked, or nothing.
The 2019 996.ICU event however brought to my attention that Chinese (usually WebKit-based) browsers are already censoring HTTPS websites selectively of course, see e.g.: https://github.com/996browser/996.BROWSER/tree/77f28a36a862e3cc4d238dc47c19872156096bc4
But I doubt developers use those browsers right? The only way would be for China to forbid foreign browsers entirely.
GitHub has absolute transparency on Government takedowns, which is awesome: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/tree/master/China
As of 2019 there have only been only 2 takedowns by China however, compared to dozens by Russia. The Chinese commies are not big fans of transparency it seems.
The message GitHub shows is:
Repository unavailable in your location
This repository is currently disabled in your location. For more details please see the takedown notice.
Here are some examples of people reacting to the blocking of https://github.com/programthink/zhao/issues/38 as per https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/78775b09e64d85f08547287cab204b48b2491192/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md from China (and likely on the entire repository, which appears to be the block granularity implemented):
See also: Programthink 编程随想
To check China only takedowns such as this, we cannot use Great Fire Analyzer, which reports the page as accessible: the only tool I could find so far to capture a page from China a bit like Web Archive was: https://www.geoscreenshot.com which takes screenshots of the websites, but the free trial is very limited, and you can’t share the screenshots. See also: Censorship monitoring.
Not 100% sure.
In Russia for example, the Internet is relatively free, but the government controls most professional media, which is what most people end up seeing, by suing dissidents media out of business.
But on the other hand Russia is already much freer than China.
Although I don’t like them, I can’t deny one thing: the commies are smart, and when they do something (e.g. censorship), it tends to keep them in power.
We have to fight for justice for our fellows, or else when injustice happens to us, no one will fight for use either.
Every form of protest incurs some damage. E.g., if we manifest on the street, it generates a traffic jam.
I don’t like it, but I think it is worth it.
If you just work to make money and have a good life, without any plans to improve the government, you are just making the economy of the dictatorship stronger, then when they start a war or kill yet another minority, blood will also be on your hands. See also: What should Western countries do about China?.
How can you be that certain that your children won’t have dissident ideas and be punished unfairly for them?
Intolerance is a risky way to live. Everyone is part of one minority in one way. If all minorities were oppressed, everyone would be oppressed.
Dictatorships crush minorities much more than democracies.
Do think the majority of the Chinese people would vote to put 50 year old Falun Gong meditating aunties in jail, if the CCP hadn’t made a huge propaganda campaign and used an iron fist?
Are the Chinese really that selfish to vote for this oppression, even as the free media would show videos of meditating old ladies in jail on national television? I don’t believe this.
Minorities are put in jail because the CCP fears them. Dictatorships can only survive if there is zero difference in opinion in the population.
1.7. If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country
Destroying diversity is the best way to reach a point where everyone can agree to start a new big war and destroy everything.
The CCP thrives on the excessive fear it instigate into its own people.
How can society improve, if we are never allowed to try new things out?
Change in democracies does not require violence. Violence happens because the government punishes any dissidence, even if pacific, to retain its own power.
In democracies, radical policy changes happen without dropping a single drop of blood. People vote, and policies change, end of story.
If the truth is too much for you to bear, worry not, you can use either:
this cool browser extension to clean up Stack Overflow: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/32236-stackoverflow%E5%87%80%E5%8C%96%E5%99%A8
a custom ad terminator expression shown at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/87
See also: Do you want to harm the Chinese programmers?.
We live in the same world.
If China’s economy is bad, my economy is worse.
If China’s environment is bad, my environment is worse.
If China starts a war, I might have to fight it.
If I lived under a dictatorship, I would welcome foreign intervention.
Even if you don’t, I know several Chinese who do.
You have been brainwashed by the commies who say that all foreigners are bad :-)
The commies do this because most foreign countries are telling the Chinese to get rid of the dictatorship.
Most foreigners actually want what is best for China.
Oh, China would never ever do anything like that, would it?
You can’t do anything about it.
I don’t like this argument, but in the end, this is what all politics comes down to: power.
I recognize that in that sense, I may be similar to the CCP and any other political party.
Everyone is "brainwashed" by their environment.
I don’t doubt that you know more about China than me.
But if you are Chinese, also consider that you have been brainwashed by the commies, so likely much more than me since you live in a dictatorship.
So, instead of saying that, why don’t you just actually prove your point by teaching me something interesting about China that I don’t know about? I love learning new things.
But please, link to reference material instead of just saying it, it will be much more convincing.
See also: Western democracies are not perfect.
Ciro Santilli prefers the term focused :-)
That being said, Ciro take the agenda of information sources very seriously.
E.g. he tries to clearly classify Communist Party, Falun Gong, and Western government linked sources.
Any evidence of positive political progress will also be added to this repo, e.g. people openly discussing politics online, human rights activists doing political stuff and not being put into jail, etc.
Party promises do not count, only reports of activities by individuals.
Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyways.
If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.
The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally is:
Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang
Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康)
Father: Ai Pushan (艾??)
Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_University_(China) Apparently had no Children.
Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in Waseda University Was the top official of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Agency_(Japan) in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan.
Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?)
Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War (八年抗战). Later was a congressman in Taiwan.
Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世？)
Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at Waseda University.
Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.
This wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(late)#Qing_dynasty
Further anecdotal indicators follow.
Ciro’s wife and family are clearly of the Manchu ethnicity just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China
His wife’s family name is the very unusual 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛(also pronounced ai4) in 愛新覺羅, which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.
Ciro’s father-in-law, who he barely met, was very old when he had his daughter, and passed away before Ciro could talk a lot with him, which is consistent with the claims that he spent several years in jail during Mao’s purges, see also: Ciro Santilli’s wife.
I try to justify here why I think China would be better with democracy, but I know that ultimately all of this is useless.
Our opinions are all determined genetically and by bring-up, and there is nothing I can do to change yours, or you change mine.
From that point of view, all of this is just a cold blooded political game, in which I try to force the CCP to take down the Firewall: Why attack websites with censored keywords?.
Unfortunately I’m still still human and do get annoyed or sad sometimes, but never mad, even if your opinion is contrary to mine, and therefore wrong :-) The reply policy helps reduce such frustrations tremendously however.
I also have doubts about certain things I do as expressed throughout this FAQ.
Also, I have never said that that anyone else is wrong.
In the end, I just end up thinking about new replies to things people say to me, and add them to this FAQ so that future replies will be faster to copy paste. See also: Doesn’t Ciro Santilli have anything better to do?.
The real goal of this FAQ it not to convince people, but rather to determine who is an ally and who is not, and get those allies together to defeat the commies.
Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy, a world where people can have different political opinions than you :-)
If you are so fine, why are you reading this at all? Go back to being fine.
Ciro Santilli can understand that.
A scene from the awesome mini-series Seventeen Moments of Script (1973) comes to mind.
The war is almost over, and the desolate officer tells Stierlitz:
I told my children: I hate any democracy!
No democracy in our Reich!
Any democracy in our country is doomed to end up with one thing: the dictatorship of small shopkeepers.
The more freedom we have, the sooner we want to be controlled by SS troops again.
And then we want our the secret police back, and concentration death camps again, and the universal fear everywhere! Only then we feel calm and secure.
No need to prove your point of view in defending the fate of the home land.
Just raise your hand in the honor of him, who will take care of everything for you,
Just shout out "Hail Hitler!" and everything will become understandable.
No more worries.
It is amusing that there is a Soviet movie criticizes dictatorships.
When the dictatorship turns again you our your family, will you fight, or will you just let them do whatever they want because they can never be wrong? See also: Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities.
It is easy to reach an agreement, when everyone who disagrees goes to jail or gets killed.
1.11. There are bad things happening all over the world, why don’t you fight for those causes as well / instead?
We have to choose the one we think is the worst, and focus on it.
What is worse is a subjective choice. For me:
I love China and my Chinese wife, see also: Ciro Santilli and this repository are completely biased against the Chinese Government!
I hate dictatorships, and China is the largest one by population / GDP / nuclear stockpile
See also: Western democracies are not perfect
That is definitely true.
Nothing is perfect in this world.
I just think that they are way better than dictatorships.
Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
However, this is all obviously subjective, and believing that dictatorship is a better form of government is also a valid belief.
If you find an event on an Western democracy that you would like to highlight, send a pull request. We will not however include events which are not currently censored. Every country did fucked up things in the past, the question is if they currently allow discussion about it or not.
Yes, Western democracies are not perfect.
What matters is that citizens can disagree with those actions, publicly say it, vote accordingly, and not go to jail, so that policy will be changed if the majority so wants.
In China, the minority controls the majority, and the majority cannot say anything even if they disagree.
If the majority wants to do evil however, evil will get done, it is impossible to prevent that.
First, if you don’t think child porn should be banned, I don’t think there is much point on arguing with you anymore.
But of course, there is censorship in Western democracies, and there is a gray area between what should be censored or not.
The only thing that matters is that political speech must never be censored. This way, the majority can always discuss and vote to change what can be censored or not.
In China, trying to discuss of changes laws puts you in jail, so bad laws cannot be changed.
The level of unknown surveillance that Snowden uncovered is a bad thing about the US.
However, it is obvious that the level of surveillance in any dictatorship will be infinitely higher, since the Government has much more power.
Snowden’s prosecution was inevitable. Countries need secret services. Secret services need laws that prevent leaking classified information that was produced by government officials.
Ciro Santilli has never and will never criticize China or any other country for spying or prosecuting spies.
The problem with dictatorships, is that they make every information that makes them look bad a "state secret". Including any information that hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, or economic performance metrics! See also: Internal censorship is necessary to prevent fake USA accounts from creating harmful propaganda.
If Snowden were Chinese, the Chinese government would ban talking about him or anything he uncovered. A keyword attack with "Snowden" in the West has no effect.
On the West however, the debate Snowden sparked cannot be censored, and has helped to control excessive and secret state power.
Ultimately, Ciro thinks camera surveillance is somewhat inevitable, because people will always want to fight crime and terrorism and surveillance technology keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.
He is however strictly against the ban of cryptography.
He also believes that a good solution to balance out government power is the second amendment. It is better to have more school shootings and less full blown dictatorship led genocides / mass human rights violations.
In 2019 China amusingly censored passages Snowden’s "Permanent Record" autobiography book, which Snowden then published on Twitter:
As a Redditor put it:
I don’t think they understand that what Snowden stands for is completely the opposite of what the Chinese gov is lol
Snowden then later released the entire Chinese version of the book for free online with the censored parts underlined: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/10/snowden_china_censorship (archive), link to the book: https://a.temporaryrecord.com/Permanent_Record_-CN_edition_with_underlined_redactions.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20200212144108/https://a.temporaryrecord.com/Permanent_Record-_CN_edition_with_underlined_redactions.pdf[archive]). One wonders why he didn’t just do that in the first place for all versions, maybe he needed to pay the writer that helped him?
When a government controls all information to make it look good, and no one can challenge it, you cannot trust any of the news produced by that country, as anything could be fake.
It is much better to have some fake news, but also few sources which are likely telling the truth.
E.g.: September 11th.
Bad things have been done in the name of anything.
Democracies cannot necessarily protect weak countries from powerful ones either. No political system can do that, because humans are trash essentially.
What democracy do is to protect its own people against its own government. Because when the government turns against part of the population in a dictatorship, that part of the population gets crushed entirely, without any chance to fight, because they don’t have an army or ally countries like other countries do.
Here are some images that wumao’s like to post:
Left Right Slaughterhouse comic: http://9gag.com/gag/ayn7KmW?ref=fbp
Russia is clearly the number 2 dictatorship in the world by population / GDP and the #1 nuclear arsenal, so here we go.
I’ve always been curious to how Russia can be both oppressive and a democracy, unlike China which doesn’t even try to pretend. This is what I gather:
the government controls all major media. If any media says bad things against them, the government finds pretexts to create lawsuits or increase taxes against such companies. Therefore all people end up thinking that the government is good.
just like China, they emphasise the threat of the foreign countries, especially the US, as a justification for having an oppressive power.
the government puts pressure on any significant opposition candidate. One technique is to find some reason to put them in jail for 2 months, which by Russian law forbids them from participating in further elections. Only candidates that don’t really stand a chance are left as a fake opposition. is fine, but if you reach some prominence, you start taking the same risks as politicians, although you are more likely to face more brutal illegal gangster violence threats as you are less visible
While I’m at it, some interesting news:
2018-04 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43752337 Russia to block Telegram app over encryption
2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40635267 Russia Jehovah’s Witnesses banned after they lose appeal
It is just another non-democratic empire like the Qing Dynasty, we might as well cal it:
共产朝 The Comunist Dinasty
Expression previously mentioned at: http://web.archive.org/web/20161025220242/http://tieba.baidu.com/p/752094668
Sometimes people say Ciro Santilli is naive.
Politicians are the same all over the world.
Some are good, some are evil.
China’s problem is not its politicians.
It’s the current shitty political organization, which allows/convinces those politicians to do really bad things: Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer?, Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?.
The term evil does not make sense.
The best definition of evil is a psychopath with zero empathy for anyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy although this can be better characterized as a disease or extreme personality trait.
The huge majority of those politicians are just regular dudes with a knack for politics but brought up in a fucked up political situation.
Just like you, Ciro Santilli and other politicians in any country.
Got creator Dai Jianyong (戴建勇) arrested in 2015:
Got censored due to comparisons between Xi Jinping and Winnie in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_China
Some good photoshops:
If you don’t know English well enough, that’s fine though, go for Chinese.
Obviously, in that case, use simple and standard Chinese. Avoid slangs, otherwise I might not have patience to Google your useless slangs down Zhihu questions. Of course, if I have to tell you this, you likely are not going to say anything useful in the first place, so not reading your post is likely fine. I think using slangs makes some people feel smart due their advanced knowledge of a specific subculture, or makes them feel part of that subculture to gather allies, or they just want to waste my time.
But if you do, use English.
I am not going to learn Chinese because of your message.
It is more productive for you to write in English, so that the rest of the West can also learn something new.
Especially since it seems that most Chinese already know what you are talking about.
See also: Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese?.
Remember that shitposts can also be creative: if you are going to insult Ciro Santilli, at least do it in a creative way, or else you look like an even bigger idiot than you really are.
A Chinese insult tip 101, avoid similar sound euphemisms. If you are going to say shit at least grow some balls or tits and use the proper characters, Ciro will respect you more for it:
屄 cunt: 逼
肏 fuck: 操
傻 idiot: 沙
屌 dick: 雕
A collection of shitposts for you to take inspiration from can be found at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/labels/shitpost
Also, when opening a shitpost you may mark it clearly such with the shitpost issue template which automatically assigns the shitpost label. Doing so will make you look like less of an idiot.
While we require polite replies to polite posts, no matter what which side they are defending, if a post is marked as a shitpost, things are much more relaxed and fun, and you can generally get away with telling the OP to fuck themselves without getting blocked.
Not as of 2019, he has only visited once in 2012, and it was amazingly beautiful.
But he doesn’t think it is a good idea for him to do that now, in case his Visa got accepted, because he is not interested in learning about the Chinese jail system! :-)
He knows that if you don’t mind contributing to making WW3 deadlier and shut up and obey the CCP, China is already a fine place to live as much as any other developing country.
If the dictatorship ends, I would like to migrate to China if given a decent job to help you develop and become awesomer.
It would be interesting to apply for a VISA to find out.
But Ciro won’t do it because it is too risky that it would be a waste of Ciro’s precious time and money.
Firstly, Jamal Khashoggi taught us that walking into enemy into consulates of enemy countries is a bad idea.
Then, even if the VISA were accepted, Ciro could still be turned back on entering the country, thus wasting the flight time and money. This could either be a genius plot to waste the money of enemies of the state, or due to a crappy divided IT system between the border control and the VISA people.
Finally, even after the border, there is still the possibility that Ciro could be stopped in the country half-way through the visit and sent back, or be interrogated for a few days, or less likely murdered with poison.
Therefore, if you think that living in China is fundamental to understand it, please just explain what you think one can learn from the experience instead. Do you really need to live there to see its censorship machine working? It would arguably be harder to see it from the inside.
As of 2019, oral enough for daily things, but not understand most natural casual dinner conversation or watch TV series, because they go too quickly into vocabulary subject areas that I don’t know.
From the HSK vocabulary list, he estimates that ihe is definitely HSK 3, but not quite HSK 4. This would likely equate A2 / B1 in the European system.
Phonetics wise, Ciro can’t distinguish or produce a few sounds, notably
-in and my off-tone rate is high, but it tends to not matter at all compared to the lack of vocabulary.
He hasn’t tried to learn characters, too much effort, but he did learn the most common ones without trying.
Ciro really wishes he could learn more, but he has other more important endeavours at the moment :-(
He initially learnt from book that come with audio recordings in the first 6-months to 1 year in 2010, but that got impossibly boring afterwards, so he later moved to just basically talking as much as possible non-important things to his wife in Chinese, and whenever he reachs one that I don’t know that seems useful, he Plecos it up or just 怎么说 and then Pleco.
Spoken Chinese is in Ciro’s opinion a relatively easy language to learn from scratch, because word formation is so often logical:, e.g.:
volcano = fire + mountain: 火山(huo shan)
train = fire + car: 火车 (huo che), a reference to old steam locomotives
and there is no useless crap like verb conjugation, Grammatical gender, plural variants, capitalization, etc.
Ciro loves this language.
Please just get rid of the Chinese characters and move to pinyin like the Korean and Vietnamese did, this will make your culture much easier to export. Characters are beautiful, but just take too much time for any sane adult to learn, it’s harder than C++!
The last straw was when in March 2015 my girlfriend’s mother was arbitrarily kept 15 days in jail for doing Falun Gong. I posted this at:
My girlfriend’s mother, a 63 year old lady, was kept 15 days inside a Chinese "correctional facility" because she does Falun Gong.
She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day.
I see Falun Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong as just another moderate religion which causes no harm to its believers. The only reason that it is unofficially outlawed in China is because the communists fear it as a political competitor.
There was no trial and no explanation. She was going to take a train to visit her sister. But she didn’t know that there was an important political event happening in the capital: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People’s_Congress So the police at the station, who already knew she did Falun Gong, took her away.
When she came back home, the house had been searched and was all messed up. Her religious books and computer were missing.
I’m glad she was not physically harmed. I find it fascinating how even well educated Chinese support a government which simply does not represent some of its people. How will you feel when something like that happens to your own family, and there is nothing you can do about it?
Translation by my wife:
Translation by myself:
A mãe da minha namorada ficou 15 dias num "centro de correção" chines porque ela faz Falun Gong.
Ela ficou o tempo todo num quarto pequeno com uma cama e banheiro, sobe videovigilância, recebendo 3 refeições pequenas por dia.
Para mim, o Falun Gong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong é apenas mais uma religião moderada que não causa nenhum problema para seus crentes. A única razão pela qual ele é proibido na China é porque os comunistas tem medo dele como competidor politico.
Não houve julgamento nem explicação. Ela ia pegar um trem para ver sua irmã, mas ela não sabia que teria um evento político importante na capital: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People’s_Congress Então a polícia da estação, que já sabia que ela faz Falun Gong pegou ela.
Quando ela voltou pra casa, a casa tinha sido procurada pela polícia e estava uma bagunça. Os livros religiosos e seu computador foram confiscados.
Eu fico feliz apenas que ela não sofreu abuso físico. Eu acho fascinante como mesmo muitos chineses educados apoiam ainda um governo que não representa parte do povo. Como você vai se sentir quando algo do tipo acontecerá com a sua família, e você não pode fazer nada sobre isso?
March 2015: 15 days in jail for no reason: https://www.facebook.com/cirosantilli/posts/952661734753174
June 2017: 3 cops came to her house. She was there. They asked if she still did Falun Gong. She said yes. They took photos of her Falun Gong books / posters. They were polite.
October 2017: 7 - 8 cops came to her house at 11PM. They knocked the door strongly and made noise, and questioned neighbours of her whereabouts. Luckily she was not there.
Why am I a radical?
Do you consider me a radical because it is unthinkable that China is not perfect?
Don’t you think that it is much more radical to be put in jail for your beliefs and silenced if you disagree with anything the government says?
Why am I a radical when I speak my point of view, while you are not when you speak yours?
I don’t think either China or West is perfect: Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons.
I’m just listing arguments why I think democracy is better, e.g.: Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer?, Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?.
I don’t consider myself a radical because of:
I never get mad. Only a slightly sad or annoyed sometimes.
But maybe no radical ever considers himself radical? Hmmm…
SJW: there is a seed of SJW in me.
One major difference between me and the stereotypical SJW is that I never engage in lengthy discussions.
I limit myself to listening as much as I can to learn new arguments.
So the rationale of my actions is not to convince anyone, but rather:
increase the monetary cost of censorship by binding politics to tech
group up like minded people who don’t like censorship
On the contrary. China has my favorite:
history and culture
in the world. And because of that: Would you like to live in China?.
As Bjarne said:
There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses
I only focus here on negative things to provide content that will activate the Great Firewall.
It is interesting how different people get different impressions!
Of course, the fact that his wife is Chinese and does Falun Gong may or may not have played a role in it :-)
It was like this: Ciro started getting interested in Chinese culture, then he started hanging out with Chinese people, and then he started hanging out with his wife!
So yes, it is a chicken and egg type of thing. The fact that she is one of the most intelligent, morally upright, cute, and "never give up" person I know may have helped me choose too.
No, I am a selfless human being, only concerned with the greater well being of humankind.
More serious answer:
I believe in this. As evidence, it has limiting effects on my technological career: Does your employer support this?, and I don’t think I can / want to become a politician
the more famous I am, the more impact I will have in the future
the more famous I am, the more feedback I have that what I’ve been doing has been working
Keyword: attention whore.
Not with my real name attached to it， see also: What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship?
But then, a shady supporting organization might require that I don’t disclose their support, so maybe the best answer is that you will never know for sure.
Of course, a hidden support would represent a reputation hit for both such organization and for me, which makes it less likely that I would have accepted or had such an offer.
Also consider my motivation. If your mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days, for following the same religion that your wife follows, and if you had a social media presence, wouldn’t you be tempted to do the same?
What about you, are you funded by the CCP?
My employer has nothing to do with this.
He doesn’t approve or disapprove of the Chinese government or of my private actions.
The only thing that my employer does believe in is that employees can have their own political opinions, and that this should not affect hiring decisions.
Obviously, this action limits my ability to lead high profile deals with China.
Also I’m quite curious if this would limit my ability to go to China for business, but I haven’t applied for a visa since I’ve started this. It likely wouldn’t be a good idea for me to go to China :-)
But my employer believes that inclusion and non-discrimination is more valuable.
I will always do my best to not let my personal opinions affect my professional decisions, as that would be unfair to my employer.
In 1989, a beautiful thing called the World Wide Web was invented.
The Internet gives everyone the magic power of writing something, and having million people read it for free!
This is how much time Ciro spends on this project to give you an idea:
every week or two, someone sends me a message, he reply with "read the FAQ", and usually update
when something bad enough comes up, Ciro go to https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sensitive-words-series/ and update his keyword attack. He’s only been updating it on Stack Overflow and GitHub these days.
Then Ciro just contributes to programming websites exactly as he would if he weren’t making this campaign, and voila.
Nope, someone told me about it after a while, but it is basically what I’m doing.
You can never invent anything new anymore nowadays.
OK, shall we put that to an anonymous vote just to make sure?
Dear sir or madam: do you want more control over your government? y/n
In an ideal world, Ciro Santilli is of course "against violence".
But what if you could prevent a lot of future violence with some violence today?
Ah, the eternal question which only God can answer:
Do you really think that the communists will step down if you ask them nicely enough?
Q: What do you think will happen [when the people protest against heir Government]?
A: What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns.
How do you think the CCP or any other party got into power and maintained that power in the first place? Violence.
The question of if violence is right or wrong makes no sense. All that matters is: what is the most efficient form of government and who has the power to do what.
If you do decide to strike though, stay safe, gather your forces on the Internet, and only strike when victory seems certain.
For "violence is illegal" arguments, see also: FLG is illegal in China, we must follow the law.
Basically same discussion as: Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP? but with the tables turned.
Ciro is using the word in an slightly extended/joking sense.
Maybe "authoritarian" is a more precise term, but it is just too much of a mouthful.
In particular, dictatorships are harder to sustain than authoritarianism, since it generally implies even less freedom, and a single leader whose death can destabilize everything.
The CCP is more like a social class with a large number of members and various sub-layers, and it is therefore much harder to take down on the other hand.
Dictatorship is becoming more and more precise under Xi however.
Adding censored words to your username: https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245
This only works on websites that show usernames everywhere.
This then leads to your username appearing on thousands of pages, depending on how much you contribute to the website.
It is also possible to do it with with images, although this is less effective in taking down websites since images are harder for the firewall to track automatically. But:
they are more memorable than words
they also work on websites like GitHub where your real name does not show on most pages, only slug
so maybe the most effective approach is to use both keywords and images to get the best of both worlds ;-)
This type of attack is essentially an embargo.
See also: Photobombing-like attacks.
The current consensus is yes:
The Chinese law doesn’t I’m afraid :-( https://advox.globalvoices.org/2015/04/16/new-internet-rules-in-china-target-usernames-avatars-as-subversive-tools/
Catches all the important news
A large part of the posts is controversial material.
Has some noise of course as well, but less than other media I find.
Highly worth your feed.
Reddit was banned in China in August 2018: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/965k4c/reddit_banned_in_china/
Tecent will invest 150 million on Reddit in 2019: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-banned-in-china-is-reportedly-set-to-land-150-1832375439 See also: Biased media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blacklisted_keywords_in_China | https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9C%8B%E5%AF%A9%E6%9F%A5%E8%BE%AD%E5%BD%99%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8
https://qz.com/698990/261-ways-to-refer-to-the-tiananmen-square-massacre-in-china/ 261 ways to refer to the Tiananmen Square Massacre in China
https://chinadigitaltimes.net This is was an amazing source, extremely comprehensive and up-to-date, but the series was stopped in September 2018:
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/word-of-the-week/?view=all word of the week
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/directives-from-the-ministry-of-truth/?view=all censorship directive reports
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/space/Main_Page a wiki version of the censored word lists, the "Grass-mud horse index" (cao3n2ma3 草泥马), with a censored term of the week section.
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sensitive-words-series/?view=all sensitive words list
I haven’t counted, but the limit for Stack Overflow is quite low, and I’m always almost at the maximum, which is about "Ciro Santilli" + 3 3-4 Chinese character events with a separator.
These are some of my prioritization guidelines:
recent cases receive a large prime over raw death toll, because older cases can always be attributed to other people.
E.g., I’ve heard there is even some opening towards acknowledging the Great Famine, thus 烏坎事件 (and others from my previous profile names)
words must refer to a precise event, and must be clearly summarizable in very few chars, for increased impact, and profile name length limitations.
E.g. "High corruption rates, high pollution", although very serious, feel too generic.
events that relate directly to freedom of speech receive a prime, since they can only happen in China and very few other countries.
E.g.: Falun Gong, Tiananmen.
Non e.g.: corruption and pollution. Those are hard to quantify, and there is always an immediate reply: china GDP per capita is low, same happens in India, Brazil, etc.
Freedom of speech however, is immediately verifiable (e.g. "my Weibo was taken down"), and undeniably caused by the current central government.
the more people affected, and the more deeply they have been affected, the more important obviously
I am currently trying to maintain in my Stack Overflow Location a ranking of events in a single string, so that it can be easily copy pasted around. The location appears on every page if you hover over my account name, so it is likely in the HTML at least.
If you think that this list can be improved, please open an issue explaining how and why.
Notable ones only here (high rep or innovative criticism):
"GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會"
Real name: Vincent Tam from social media links.
Keyword attack inspired by me
"The Communist Party of China is a state criminal that is continuously committing state crime to ordinary Chinese citizens!" followed by an event list.
"Free Tibet From China Domination"
Same message as Yu Hao, I wonder if it is an external thing or direct copy of Yu, but no Google hits besides them.
Users who had GFW references but removed it:
Misc interesting stuff:
<location>火车站酒店小姐 (about 20 accounts with that pattern)
Interesting list of prostitution spam / sockpuppets? All have the exact same profile information.
Hitting query due to "审查", but the usage is unrelated to the Firewall.
username: "请封掉Ciro Santilli 中国共产党万岁"
profile: "中国万岁！ 中国共产党万岁！ 法轮功，民运，台独在中国共产党的铁蹄下不过是螳臂当车！"
username: "Snowden Assange Wounded Knee"
profile: "燃(ri)烧(si)您(ni)的(de)梦(ma)，Ciro Santilli. StackOverflow上的一个用户. The Oliver Stone Experience"
"Wounded Knee": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
It might be a newbie text editors for newbie Windows users, but at least they use it to good use by doing keyword attacks:
2019-10: "In October 2019 Notepad++'s GitHub issue tracker was flooded with pro-Chinese and anti-western messages after a version codenamed "Free Uyghur" (v7.8.1) was released"
https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/dp3icm/notepad_after_voicing_their_support_for_the/ "Notepad++, after voicing their support for the Uyghurs, is now being bombarded by Chinese nationalists on Github." See e.g.: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues/7489 and earlier issues
2008-03: "In March 2008 the "Boycott Beijing 2008" banner was placed on Notepad++'s SourceForge.net homepage": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_over_the_2008_Summer_Olympics#Boycotts
The creator appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant or descendant living in France. There are many such immigrants due to Vietnam being an ex-colony: https://github.com/donho Also he must have good reason to dislike the commies due to similar commit bullshit in Vietnam. He was at Paris Diderot in 2000: https://donho.github.io/#education (archive).
If a large number of people in a given region want to leave an country strongly or have greater autonomy, I believe that they should be allowed to do so.
if they don’t feel they are getting a good deal out of your country, it is unfair to keep them in
keeping them in the country forcibly implies large scale violation of human rights: mass incarceration and removing freedom of speech.
Which in turn implies terrorist backslash.
All of which are against my principles.
What makes me the most mad is the censorship. If you are going to put people in jail, write a clear law about it, and let international reporters come to see the situation.
But why do you do something and then hide it? Maybe because you are not doing the right thing?
Taiwan is not a case of separatism.
Taiwan is a completely separate country split due to civil war, long ago.
The fact that most countries in the world does officially recognize Taiwan as a country is a joke, considering that the only thing keeping it afloat is the West’s military threat.
The West must not let China advance and take more territories. The more they take, the more they will want.
The West must protect China’s neighbouring countries with military support and assurance.
The West must recognize Taiwan for what it is: a separate country, under threat of invasion, and in need of support.
If China’s claim to Taiwan is valid, then Taiwan also has an equally valid claim on China.
If China’s claim to Taiwan is valid, then so will it’s claim to any other country.
If Taiwan is a part of China, why doesn’t China put the Chinese flag on all major Taiwanese government buildings?
Oh, I forgot, it is because they have absolutely no control over Taiwan. Just like the have absolutely no control over any other country.
China, if you want to claim that Taiwan is a part of you, just invade them already. Or just stop this joke.
Someone once told Ciro:
Taiwan should not be considered a country by China, because then it would not join back to China when China becomes a democracy, and would be used by the USA to do evil things like they did in the Middle East
China claiming that Taiwan is a part of them only drives Taiwan closer to the West! Who wants to be part of a dictatorship unless you have been brainwashed by one?
Taiwan’s Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity
If you are interested in Taiwan, one important programmer forum is: PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊.
Some interesting links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-China_policy every country has private relations with Taiwan through some trade organizations, they just don’t call them embassies
http://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/62447/how-can-a-citizen-of-mainland-china-visit-taiwan/62466#comment178495_62466 hi, I want a "not VISA" to Taiwan. Thanks.
https://youtu.be/6aZkM_ZLvjE?t=50 (zh) "【這就是科學｜柯文哲】EP3／從癌症治療看政治！除惡務盡→除惡「勿」盡？「與敵共存」才是生存之道！", 柯文哲, 2019-06-26. Ko Wen-je , the mayor of Taipei 台北 and a professor in medicine, applies the concept of isolation and mutation in evolution to Taiwan and China
2015 meme started by H1Z1 streamer AngryPug, in which he repeatedly taunts the Chinese streamer Em0 by pretending to be Taiwanese.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTqZ9xrxhHk ANGRYPUG’s official YouTube upload of the clip
In 2017 - 2018, details of Uyghur internment camps are emerging.
2019-12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkliuqQo-g "A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations" by "The New York Times" published on Dec 30, 2019. Description: "China is relocating Uighurs and other Muslim minorities to urban areas as part of a contentious labor program. The Times obtained rare footage taken inside one."
2919-12: Muslim German Turkish Arsenal player Mesut Özil criticizes concentration camps on Twitter, and China stops broadcasting arsenal matches
2019-11: "What happened to me" manga depicting Uighur torture hits 2.5m views
2019-11 The Xinjiang Papers: leaked cables about Xinjiang internment camps policy, some reported by the New York Times and others by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, soure yet unknown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_papers
2020-02: more leaks containing detailed records of several citizens: https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-karakax-document-intl-hnk/
2019-09-22 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer uploaded to YouTube. TODO confirm location and that these are political prisoners rather than "normal criminals".
https://news.sky.com/story/chinas-detention-of-uighurs-video-of-blindfolded-and-shackled-prisoners-authentic-11815401 Drone footage, video sources:
Figure 34. Video still of 2019-10 drone footage of blindfolded Xinjiang prisoners being marched taken at time 00:30. Source.
2019-07-31 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang.html "Doubt Greets China’s Claim That Muslims Have Been Released From Camps"
2019-07-19 https://www.france24.com/en/20190712-37-countries-defend-china-over-xinjiang-un-letter "37 countries defend China over Xinjiang in UN letter"
2019-07-04 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48825090 "China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families"
2019-05-07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULaJVWOr4ko CNN does a few Xinjiang interviews and sends reporter to visit some of the concentration camps
2019-02-17 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2186547/china-data-leak-exposes-vast-hi-tech-surveillance-operation "China data leak exposes vast hi-tech surveillance operation in Xinjiang", leak by SenseNets Technology.
2019-03 https://shahit.biz/eng/ database of Xinjiang victims, with precise names, location, date of birth and ID card number of victims and testimonies
2018-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=dsd1NkCKaNg In full: 'I begged them to kill me' - ex-Xinjiang detainee Mihrigul Tursun gives testimony in the US
2018-11 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45812419 Xinjiang legalises 're-education' camps
2018-07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eak3WRtcdko Sairagul Sawytbai testifies to the existence of Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang
2018-05 mapping interment camps with satelite imaging:
https://medium.com/@shawnwzhang/list-of-re-education-camps-in-xinjiang-%E6%96%B0%E7%96%86%E5%86%8D%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E9%9B%86%E4%B8%AD%E8%90%A5%E5%88%97%E8%A1%A8-99720372419c List of Re-education Camps in Xinjiang 新疆再教育集中营列表 Shawn Zhang https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/8mbhad/satellite_imagery_of_xinjiang_reeducation_camps/
2018-05 Omir Bekali’s account of Xinjiang education camps:
Figure 36. Image of prisionners wearing blue sitting down in Xinjiang concentration camp, with some prisionners identified to indicate that they are not criminals but rather detained purely for political reasons. Source.
1995 video game realistically depicts the fight of Hong Kong against the Communist Party predicted to happen at the handover, featuring Bruce Lee (often represented as Jackie Chan) who returned from the grave to join the fight and kick Jiang Zemin’s ass.
I love Beijing Tiananmen Square The sun rises over the Tiananmen
Full song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_Z2K7guKs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEvalUQuClE "Last Hong Kong governor Chris Patten: Gov’t defence of extradition bill 'absolute nonsense'", Hong Kong Free Press
2019-10 https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1181442535962632193 Blizzard bans top Hearthstone esports player blitzchung for pro Hong Kong message in interview
2019-10 Daryl Morey, NBA’s Houston Rockets manager sent tweet supporting the Hong Kong protests.
But then he was a coward, removed this tweet, and apologized: https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/1181000808399114240 (archive).
NBA is huge in China.
See also: What is a screen name keyword attack?.
An appropriation attack is one where the attackers attempt to associate an existing symbol to their cause.
For example, during the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests attackers attempted to use this technique to associate a generic Chinese Chun-Li-like character Mei from Blizzard’s Overwatch game to try and get it blocked in China after the gaming company punished a pro gamer for defending the Hong Kong protests. Coverage https://www.businessinsider.com/blizzard-fans-overwatch-mei-hong-kong-protests-memes-2019-10 (archive).
NBA in particular is super popular in China, and people sitting at the front row can easily bomb emissions due to the small court size:
Started in particular due to the Daryl Morey Tweet
Western governments must reciprocate unfair Chinese practices.
Companies only care about money and have no long term view, the following must be imposed by governments on Western companies.
First of all, serious sanctions must be pot on companies that sell sensitive things to dictatorships:
The most obvious thing is to go tit for tat on Censorship and completely ban all Chinese-sponsored news and culture media, e.g.:
Their websites should also be blocked e.g.: http://www.globaltimes.cn/
Chinese controlled social media apps such as WeChat, Zhihu, etc. must stop censoring people outside of China, or face sanctions, e.g.:
2020-02 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-media/u-s-imposes-new-rules-on-state-owned-chinese-media-over-propaganda-concerns-idUSKBN20C2G1 U.S. imposes new rules on state-owned Chinese media over propaganda concerns, the companies are: Xinhua News Agency, China Global Television Network, China Radio International, China Daily Distribution Corp. and Hai Tian Development USA, Inc. See also: Chinese government media.
Western governments must identify raw material dependencies on China, and reduce them, while at the same time forbidding technology transfer to China. China has been trading cheap resources for technology, and we must stop that now.
Unfair Chinese commercial practices must be reciprocated. Chinese companies should be forced to open joint ventures to operate outside of China, which is a trick China uses to control profits and more easily steal IP from Western companies:
Do not underestimate the CCP and its control over every Chinese companies and people. Every Chinese company and person is a potential spy.
The point is that the West should not underestimate this menace.
Some Chinese spy stories:
2019-11: Wang Liqiang spy defection to Australia
2019-11: Jerry Chun Shing Lee, naturalized American, convicted for being double agent while working at CIA after being in custody for 2 years
Stories showing how big Chinese companies are closely involved with the government:
2019-11 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/29/has-huaweis-darkest-secret-just-been-exposed-by-this-new-report/#7896db9d4061 Xinjiang Papers reveal the extent of Huawei’s involvement in Xinjiang 新疆
Chinese computer and telecommunications hardware, in particular, should be avoided at all costs, as it is an entry point to spying.
The UK for example was trying hard to get kicked out of the 5 eyes in 2020 by using 5G equipment from Huawei:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/28/tech/huawei-5g-uk/index.html (archive) "UK will allow Huawei to help build its 5G network despite US pressure"
Western government should prevent companies from complying to Chinese censorship requests, or at least impose fines and sanctions on them.
Citizens should boycott such companies and require them to be punished.
https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina contains a "List of companies who have apologized to the Chinese government and implemented censorship requests". It only lists companies that implemented censorship outside of China however (with Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau defined as outside of China), therefore it is basically a Taiwan flag takedown + Hong Kong / Taiwan censorship list: https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina/pull/56#issuecomment-541230090 | https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina/pull/84
Some whell known companies and event:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_L.P.[Bloomberg L.P.]: https://theintercept.com/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-lp-nda-china/ "When Bloomberg News’s Reporting on China Was Challenged, Bloomberg Tried to Ruin Me for Speaking Out"
2019-12 Shutterstock implements censorship for searches from China https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/08/in-wake-of-shutterstocks-chinese-censorship-american-companies-need-to-relearn-american-values/
Boycott entreteiners who support the CCP:
Jackie Chan 陳港生 even though he is born in Hong Kong
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/disneys-mulan-star-sparks-call-for-boycott-with-hong-kong-stance opposed the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, notably saying "What a shame for Hong Kong". The People’s Daily later quoted her: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816162331/http://en.people.cn/n3/2019/0816/c90000-9606859.html
First of all, hide and stay safe, unless you can deal the final blow. From World at war, 1973, ep. 16:
A dictatorship is like a snake. If you put your foot on its tail as you do it, it will just bite you and no body will be helped. You have to strike the head.
Once that is taken care of, a few good options are:
if you are a psychopath, while hiding your thoughts, manipulate your enemies, infiltrate the power circles, and go up the ladder
if you are an innovator, leave China and come work for the West. Don’t strengthen commie power.
And regardless: remember your kids that the commies are bastards every day.
People get kind of passionate sometimes about politics. And some of them might also be just malicious wumaos, although it is generally not possible to distinguish between them.
If you are not a wumao, consider this:
Ciro Santilli is one, and antagonists are millions. It is therefore not possible to reply to all antagonists.
Ciro has in the past tried to be nice to stupid people, and they gave nasty replies
all discussion is useless, only the keyword attack has any chance of having any effect, and even that is slim
In order to not waste too much time on those, Ciro Santilli use the following strategy.
If the original thread post is not very interesting, try to parse it quickly and reply once, always linking to the FAQ, and then unfollow the thread. This shows that you’re still alive, and takes little effort.
Then do your best to never read the inevitable reply again. An interesting reply never follows from a non-interesting original post. It is hard at first, but you will eventually get the hang of it.
If the user keeps generating notifications, warning + temporary block as per CONTRIBUTING.md.
If initial post is outright useless and offensive, direct user block, with a link to the CONTRIBUTING.md.
Another reply strategy by C.K. Hung which might be of interest is: https://ckhung0.blogspot.com/2017/07/50-cents-party.html
For outbursts of activity from Chinese websites, usually programming (v2ex, hacpai, pingcong), only post the following canned answer and nothing else, because cowards/people who don’t know English from the website might delete your posts, so you shouldn’t waste time there with that shit:
Finally, don’t forget the golden rule from Proverbs 26:4:
Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.
which is now usually seen on the form of unclear attribution:
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Where basically idiot == someone who creates posts that obviously aren’t teaching you any new useful thing, or that not praising you :-)
Alternatively, there is also the Chinese chengyu version:
Playing the qin to a cow.
which means to talk to someone who does not have intelectual conditions of understanding what you are trying to say, bibliography:
Original creator: https://cirosantilli.com/
Born and raised in China: why-does-ciro-santilli-love-china-so-much
She and her mother do Falun Gong, see also, see also: Do you support FLG just because your wife and mother-in-law do it?.
Believes to be descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor, see also: Ciro Santilli’s claim to the Qing Dynasty throne.
For this same reason, her father, who Ciro’s wife worships, spent around 10 years in the 50’s for being branded a counter revolutionary rightist (右派) during one of Mao’s purges, possibly:
Stack Overflow mentioned at: Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow.
Parent section: Backlinks to this repository
All Zhihu posts related to Ciro Santilli were deleted following Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03. Some had been deleted before.
2019-03: https://www.zhihu.com/question/316700162 (archive before deletion, (archive after deletion)) "如何看待Github Trending上Ciro Santilli的众多开源项目？". Due to: https://github.com/cirosantilli/x86-bare-metal-examples being featured on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19428700
2017-03 https://sololand.moe/2017/03/06/brain-fucked-user-on-stackoverflow (archive) by https://github.com/brglng/ (archive) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户"
Mentions not yet deleted as of writing:
https://www.zhihu.com/question/21099730 从知乎建站以来被封禁的用户都有哪些？Since Zhihu’s founding, which accounts have been blocked on the website? (archive) (archive). The top answer contains a list, and a brief explanation of why some of them were banned:
Ciro Santilli: S/O 红人 (fStack Overflow celebrity)
"ww" in explanations means "big laugh" according to: https://hinative.com/zh-CN/questions/8349706 because a single "w" means a small laugh
several accounts are linked to one specific answer or comment
other accounts are classified as often commenting on politically sensitive material (政治敏感)
Ciro received an email from email@example.com:
您好，Ciro Santilli，很抱歉您的回答受到了牵连，您回答过的问题「github.com@cirosantilli 是谁维护的，为什么会收集邮箱地址？」因「违反互联网相关法律法规」已被删除。
followed by Ciro’s answer to github.com@cirosantilli 是谁维护的，为什么会收集邮箱地址？. Ciro could not login anymore, the login screen showed:
So likely someone must have used the fact that this was an edgy personal information release subject issue, and then someone from Zhihu decided to purge Ciro and anyone posts that ever talked about him.
Note that not only the posts made by Ciro himself were deleted: he had never asked any questions or made any Zhuanlan posts himself, only replied to those. But that content made by other users was still removed. Therefore, this is not just a simple user ban, but active censorship.
Ciro’s blocked account:
after deletion (redirects to login page): http://web.archive.org/web/20191103071033/https://www.zhihu.com/signin?next=http://www.zhihu.com/people/cirosantilli/activities
Random unblocked control account: https://www.zhihu.com/people/lu-zhen-yu-96-65/activities (archive).
Furthermore, all questions related to Ciro, including the posts criticizing him such as https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/25600138, were taken down. This made Ciro laugh: in China, you can’t even criticize that which is censored, or your post also gets taken down.
Ciro then created an anonymous Zhihu account after this event.
Asked in 2016-09 after Ciro published: https://github.com/cirosantilli/all-github-commit-emails
Deleted after Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03. Ciro’s answer before deletion:
你用的git config user.email当然是公开的：谁都会git clone就知道了。
GitHub 更新他们的隐私声明GitHub Privacy Statement
I was banned from Zhihu on 2018-06-25 for "politically sensitive" content.
As a result, since that time I will be answering Zhihu questions as issues in this repo with the label
I have however never posted anything politically sensitive on Zhihu, unless my name and profile picture have reached that distinction, and therefore the ban is clearly an unfair per-person ban.
But of course, all is fair in love and war, and politics.
Posting any sensitive content on Chinese websites is a waste of time, since it only means that they will be removed and you will waste time creating a new account, I will never do that.
The only significant content I ever posted on Zhihu is the answer to: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710/answer/122827944 which is purely technical, and trivial replies on threads that other people have started about me. Have those people been blocked like me?
My posts are still up and it does not appear to be possible for people to see that I have been banned, but whenever I try to take any action on the website a popup appears saying:
由于严重违反 知乎社区管理规定 ，该帐号已被永久禁言
This includes liking, commenting, answering, asking or trying to update my profile to say that I have been blocked.
I still get notifications however, but I am unable to reply to them, specially given that all Chinese accounts, unlike mine, have no personal identifiable information due to the understandable fear Chinese citizens have of their own government (even though such accounts might be illegal in theory to my understanding).
The only action that I can take now is to report abusive comments people make to me.
Obviously, the only effect of such ban is that I will create an anonymous account under Tor with a second cell phone if I wish to contribute in the future, and China will have less information about my political interests than before.
The private messages the website sends while banning you are:
知乎管理员 ：您好，根据用户举报，您的帐号发布了「政治敏感」内容，帐号已根据知乎社区规范被永久禁言。处理详情可查看社区服务中心。具体规范请查看知乎社区管理规定。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除
知乎管理员 ：您好，根据用户举报，您的部分个人信息由于不符合知乎用户信息管理规范已被重置。用户名可以在设置页面中修改，修改后会自动进入审核等待通过；其他个人信息可以在个人主页中编辑。感谢您对知乎社区的理解和支持。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除
The ban came soon after I posted a link to my GitHub repo as a comment at: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/21/ice-employee-list-github-linkedin/ maybe they are related.
At the same time the ban happened I received a public comment from user "Eureka" https://www.zhihu.com/people/crb912/activities | http://archive.is/1F3t6 on this thread: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710 | http://archive.is/PVOLd saying:
你滥用了github， 也滥用了Stackover。这个一个纯粹计算机、编程和知识分享的地方，请不要带入政治性的色彩。请不要这么做， 维护社区的非政治性、中立和技术性纯粹，是每个热爱cs的人应尽的义务。
I am unable to get an URL that shows the comment on archive.is, so I have no proof of this claim. If you trust me, then here is a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/YCiEEax
Since I expect the ban lists to be private, I find it extremely likely that this was the user who reported me, unless both were simultaneously triggered by a third event which I have not seen. So correct me if I’m wrong here.
Users with the same user id
crb912, related "Eureka" username or same profile picture, can be found at:
By Googling the email found on the GitHub repos, we find: http://www.360doc.com/content/15/0809/11/25724933_490492490.shtml | http://archive.is/2UnGL which might, at last, contain a photo of my nemesis.
My public message to the reporter whomever he may be:
While you have also raised issues that were raised a thousand times before, and clearly answered in the FAQ, at least you were able to take some actual action leading to an actual ban, and I respect you for that.
I hope that one day you will redirect that cunning and initiative towards taking down the root cause of the problem, which are the Chinese communist Party and their Firewall themselves.
2016 blocked Chinese keywords on both my username and credentials. Justification: non-English.
2017 created on in English: Cook Tiananmen Square Noodle Shop.
Leaches that picked it up: http://kvalster.se/Falu/Uthyres/Lagenheter/Gammelvagen_49_1417351
Popular Taiwanese forum system and server from 1995, pre HTML, works from telnet terminal, so likely very programmer heavy, and ovbiouvly anti-CCP.
Ciro Santilli’s appearances on PTT:
2020-01-31: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1580484253.A.37A.html "stackoverflow菁英卻痛恨中國" by "Eric0605 (我還有點餓)" on the Gossiping board
2017-06-19 https://pttweb.tw/s/2K9zV "Ciro Santilli 709大抓捕 六四事件 法轮" on the Gossiping board
2016-10-03 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Soft_Job/M.1478104872.A.916.html "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" by gocreating on the Soft_Job board
Archaic, fucking impossible to learn how to use. Ciro Santilli hasn’t managed yet, so if you want a reply from him, open an issue on this repo instead.
TODO: can anyone comment, without having a Taiwanese university address? This suggests no: https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/1etbvb/anyone_on_pttcc_advice_suggestions/ Also asked at:
Normal people see it on a web viewer hosted on: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/index.html
However it is fucking impossible to web archive that web interface because there is a cookie I’m 18-years-old confirmation before the first connection.
This shows how to connect for the first time: https://www.ptt.cc/index.firstbbs.html
One attempt is:
luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt.cc
But the main page says:
"本站目前暫停開放新帳號註冊。" "This site is currently suspended for new account registration."
And you try
new it says: "目前無法註冊帳號![按任意鍵繼續]" "Account cannot be registered at this time."
OK, ptt2 went further:
luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt2.cc
Then there is a registration process that seem to require you to prove that you work at Taiwanese university, but not sure it is mandatory to post.
But I couldn’t find Gossiping there either, which is the only board that matters, so not sure it is on this server.
The commies are not a fan. But as someone once told me: the commies are not a fan of a bunch of things!
As mentioned at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China there are only a few state approved churches under total CCP control, and the others are forbidden. For example one of them is called the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association! God and CCP on the same sentence. Pope Pius XII excommunicated people from that organization who were appointing new Bishops!
2018-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWApdCNdik 100 Christians detained in China crackdown
2018-09 Vatican Christian pope makes deal with China
2018-01 Chinese authorities demolish Christian mega-church "Golden Lampstand" sparking fears of religious persecution
Figure 47. China’s Golden Lampstand Church being demolished. Source.
2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/world/asia/china-zhejiang-christians-pastor-crosses.html pastor 14 years jail
The main reason I emphasise FLG it that is shows how the CCP can mercilessly crush a 70M strong group (according to CCPs own statistics) out of a population of 1.3B in 2000, i.e. 5% of the population.
If that is correct, I’m curious to understand what you consider an important movement? :-)
Anything much larger would take down the government and change China’s history forever.
OK, maybe the fact that 69M of those were likely old ladies didn’t help much either. Tip to next prophet: make something that appeals to aspiring military officers.
Let’s try to gather some well sourced footage showing huge numbers of believers on the streets:
http://www.aparchive.com/search?query=falun%20gong&from=1&orderBy=OldestFirst#7e34a6 AP Archive: could not find a good one there
No, I’m agnostic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
Here are some things that I don’t like about Falun Gong for example: Things I personally dislike about FLG.
I think that FLG exercises and meditation are good for you, just like many other meditative practices such as Yoga, Buddhist meditation, Tai chi, deep Catholic prayer, etc.
However I find the metaphysics and obligations boring like for any other prophetic religion.
The absolute truth is already known by the prophet, although he does not want to give clear evidence for reasons. Or a Jesus put it:
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
“'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
Ah good old prophets, their tricks haven’t changed a bit in 2 thousand years!
And you just repeat these truth over and over and over:
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
Non-followers are like this, FLG people are like that. Although non-followers who do good things are actually doing FLG without knowing it. Note: FLG even has a specific terminology for non-believers, which is translated in English as "ordinary-people". Like other aspects of FLG however, this appears in other religions, e.g. my mother mentioned the funny term used by her Protestant’s group term but I forgot it, and you can see it in Harry Potter as well: The Muggles.
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
FLG is good
I would really like to know if LHZ really believes in FLG, or is just a complete manipulating charlatan, but unfortunately we will never know that.
Just imagine if before he died he published a video saying: "it was a joke, gotcha!". Now that would be epic!
Since I’m good natured, it’s hard for me to believe that he doesn’t believe in anything, how can anyone be that evil? Maybe he believes in part of it, but made up some stuff to sell it better, maybe with good intentions that selling the fake part would also lead more people to see the good part?
Like any other prophetic religion, FLG gives tiny evidence that you can directly feel through meditation. The energies, which I believe are real feelings. And then using that entry point asks you to believe a whole lot more, that you can’t feel.
This becomes especially strong when a critical mass of believers is reached, and then they start interpreting all sorts of events as miracles, and you start to believe other believers without questioning them, and a circle is formed.
This post by a former believer gives what I feel is a realistic account that matches my observations: https://medium.com/@Ben_D_Hurley/-10677166298b "Me and Li" by Ben Hurley published on October 23, 2017.
In any case, at least FLG got one thing right: the commies evil, and we have to get rid of them.
And yet, all those who love freedom, must oppose FLG ban, or be enslaved by tyrants themselves: Why do you say that democracy is a religion just like FLG?.
See also: FLG is fake.
Not consciously, I think I would likely support them even if I didn’t have family ties to FLG.
Likely I wouldn’t have started this campaign if I didn’t know them of course.
But of course, this is impossible to answer objectively.
But don’t you think that 70 Million people (6% of the total population in 2000!) getting completely squashed by the Party illustrates extremely well the dangers of the dictatorship?
With that in mind, I try my best to give FLG only the right level of exposure I think it deserves relative to other events, according to these guidelines: How do you choose keyword for the keyword attack?
If more recent events of mass human rights violation happen, especially affecting in the order of tens of million people, I will probably rank higher than Falun Gong, this was the case for Xinjiang in 2019 for example, even though it only affected a measly million.
I haven’t read their canon myself, no patience, but I have constant contact with believers and so have an idea of its content.
It appears that Falun Gong cannon is present at: http://falundafa.org/
It contains LHZ's approved texts / speech transcriptions, which are sacred.
The only sacred version is Chinese which is a sacred language, and of which there is only one perfect revision. Islam also appears to place great importance on the sacredness of Arabic in which Mohamed first spoke, perhaps even more: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/plight-uyghurs-why-muslims-wont-speak-their-brethren-112466 Protestants and later the Catholic church, have moved away from such really bad strategy however, the accessibility of Christianity is seen on the entrance of many many churches which have a sign "ALL are welcome". Well played.
I think LHZ claims the specifically chose to reincarnate in China this time.
The English translation is made by followers, and gets new revisions to reduce translation imperfection.
However, the Chinese language seems to be fundamentally sacred, and there might never be an sacred English version approved by LHZ.
LHZ is of course a de-facto God with superpowers, and can of course speak all languages, but for reasons he didn’t just write an English translation himself.
This is a reasonable command to download the English cannon for grepping:
wget -r -l inf --no-remove-listing --no-clobber --no-parent -w 2 https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html
TODO: need to find a way to wrap lines, otherwise grep might fail on sentences.
Nothing else is canonical. LHZ seems to have said that there are enlightened followers, but has not specified who, so we can’t derive canon from anyone else.
I don’t support FLG specifically, only freedom of religion.
I use it in my usernames simply because it is the most banned and censored one in China today.
I believe that individuals should only be put in jail for what they do, not for what they believe.
I consider FLG a religion like any other, and I am against its ban, as I am for all other religions.
Also I believe that freedom of speech and democracy imply that FLG and other religions will exist. If you want freedom, you have to accept other people’s choices.
Otherwise, democracy and communism can also be considered as religions, and banned.
This will obviously vary from believer to believer, but here my experience.
Like any other religion that is taken seriously, they spend several hours per week doing their standard religious activities: FLG downplays the fact that it is a religion.
I have never seen them, or anyone we know from FLG say or do something that I consider morally incorrect because of FLG.
This does not prevent my wife from working normally.
My mother-in-law, who is retired, dedicates all her time to Falun Gong when she is not taking care of the house.
My mother is also religious (Protestant), and I get a very similar feeling about both groups.
Like other religions, Falun Gong gives them meaning in life, and I admire that they pursue their belief energetically.
I much prefer that my mother-in-law does Falun Gong, which is a noble meaningful goal, rather than watch stupid crap on television.
Also, although I am agnostic, I also live in a similar way.
My religion is that of science and technology, and I pursue it fervently by trying to learn and teach it and spend several hours a week doing that, even when it does not give me money immediately.
If I pursue my meaning, why should I prevent anyone from pursuing theirs?
Previously, my wife and mother-in-law would sometimes try to persuade me to learn FLG, which was annoying.
But every time I told them very clearly that I know where to download the books if I want to, and that I may never want to read them, and that my wife must either accept this fact of leave me.
And they have accepted that: they think I’m a good person, and they can accept that you can also be a good person even without doing FLG.
I do feel Falun Gong makes my mother-in-law more reluctant to use or actively search for medication or treatment. But I think it is also linked to the fact that she didn’t have a very good education or a good health system around. However, if we give her something, she will take it. My wife does not have any resistance to medication.
One thing that does worry me is that my mother in law sleeps too little every night, doing one of the Falun Gong meditations late in the evening, and then waking up very early to a long series of reading and exercise sessions.
He was not very precise here, the precise term is "jail". He was not talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor Unfortunately it is not possible to edit a Tweet.
I believe that it has changed.
But isn’t that the case of every cultural religious movement that migrates to a completely new culture?
Main points which may have changed:
It has become more organized.
But why shouldn’t they organize to defend themselves now that they have the chance without being put into prison?
The CCP is highly organized and has way more resources.
Less emphasis is given to the religious / mystical aspect, and more to the corporal exercises, and health aspect.
This may be because people in the "West" are:
are "scientific-educated" atheists who wouldn’t go for a "religion"
already have other religions, which would view FLG as a taboo
Also maybe only the richest and most educated believers managed to escape China, and thus the movement carried that bias outside China.
If you know more ways in which it may have changed, let me know.
But once again, we can know nothing for sure about the past in China because of censorship.
Even if you saw something yourself, how can you be sure that it is representative?
And if it has changed, now that it has changed, maybe China should unban it?
1.5M USD in 2010 for a FLG controlled internet freedom group http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8678760.stm
But well, if you are going to do something anyways, and someone offers you money, why wouldn’t you take it?
Taking the money does of course give a "bad impression" that someone is trying to buy influence, but does it in itself imply that you are doing something bad?
But do you really think that the US government paid that to buy influence in FLG? What would they force upon that FLG group that they didn’t already want to do? Isn’t it more likely that the US government wanted them to continue doing exactly what they were doing?
Every government funds groups it supports, it is an all out war I suppose. Compare that to the propaganda funds of the CCP.
What about the funding of political campaigns, which vastly outnumbers 1.5M USD every year?
This might be a bad law that should be changed.
It was perfectly legal for Nazis to kill Jews. Does it make that right?
The same can be argued about any other religion or political belief of type: it is better if we organize society in this or that way.
How can you disprove their belief, when as in any other religion, every affirmation made hinges on "miracles only happen around when true believers are around" or "only true believers can perceive evidence in their hearts / minds directly". He died of cancer? Not a true believer.
Conversely, do you understand the full sequence of experiments that imply quantum field theory? Have you seen videos of those experiments? Have you attended live demonstrations? Do you understand the construction of the experimentation apparatus? Yet, why do you believe it?
More importantly: what do you propose that should be done about it? Should we kill followers? Or is jail enough?
Also do let me know when you have achieved irrefutable proof that democracy / freedom of speech are the optimal ways to organize the government: Why do you say that democracy is a religion just like FLG?.
The closest claims to observable I’ve heard are:
when pictures are taken in sacred events, notably Shen Yun, sometimes you can see magic Falun energy wheels in the pictures
in the homes of some followers, small magic good plants-like fungi-like things have grown
the sacred books of some believers had a closed lotus flower when they were bought, and after several years, the flower opened
but I suspect they are not even canon, just believer oral culture.
Of course, like every other religion, reality happens to be is constructed in a way that prevents non-believers to verify anything with their eyes in a reproducible way.
The Romans called Christianity the "Cult of Jesus".
If I tell a lie today, will it become true in a thousand years? Or a truth today become a lie?
Try sending an email to LHZ asking him to prove his powers to you :-)
I know that, and that supporting FLG is "bad" for my public image with most Chinese, including those that are against censorship.
But without censorship, there will be democracy, and with democracy FLG followers will have voting rights, and FLG will become legal.
I think the situation is very similar to Scientology in the USA today: most people dislike it, but believe that you can believe whatever you want.
Democracy and Communism can also be considered as religions and persecuted.
Isn’t it convenient when a dictatorship gets rid of those weirdos for you? But not so much when suddenly you or your family is the weirdo…
If you are not ready to accept the beliefs of others, dictatorship is the only choice for you.
Because it also specifies irrational and fundamental aspects of how one should live, notably voting and freedom of speech.
Like the Cult of CCP has one fundamental belief: the Party is always right.
Ban FLG, and you have banned democracy.
Accept democracy, and you will have FLG.
Then they link to the Taping Rebellion:
Of course FLG it was a threat to the stability of the country.
It is, as I have said, a highly organized political power: People from movement X are only in it for political power.
However, democracy is a threat to the stability country in the exact same way:
Anything that goes against a dictatorship is a threat to the stability of the country.
Heard this a few times, and I believe it has happened.
But I don’t see how this is relevant at all to this discussion:
if they are not really FLG believers, they should be prosecuted, but this says nothing about the real FLG believers,
if they are, then why wouldn’t they seek a VISA, since they are in constant threat of going to jail or worse in China, and the USA law gives them that right?
Either direct suicide or dying because of not taking medication.
First, I’m not saying I don’t believe you, and I’m sorry about what happened.
But your testimony is worthless unless you give the following:
clear unique personal identification
This is because the CCP has thousands of wumaos who could make fake reports.
There are basically two ways to do that:
your testimony is done in video form on YouTube clearly showing your face as you make it
links between a notable social media presence that is hard to achieve, e.g. Twitter with many followers, Stack overflow with a lot of rep, and the account
Either of those must contain / link to information that uniquely identifies you. Generally, full name, city and date of birth is enough.
a precise testimony that states exactly what you saw happen with your own eyes, or heard from people that are very close to you.
The testimony must include:
when the events happened
where they happened, in which city at the very least
the full names of who did what
This is to:
make it easier to verify the truth of the event
uniquely identify the event so we don’t count a single event multiple times
If you do provide all of the above, I add your report to a list of reports that I will maintain. This list does not exist yet because there were no valid reports yet.
Next consider this:
are you sure that Falun Gong made the person do the bad thing, and that the person wouldn’t have done it anyways?
Did someone from Falun Gong told the person to do it?
I bet that if you look into patients of psychiatrists, you will find more suicides than average. So should we ban psychiatry?
are you sure that the order came from LHZ, and that it was not just some disgruntled local leader using Falun Gong for his personal madness and doing things he did not approve?
Branch Davidians were inspired by Christianity. So should we ban Christianity? What about the majority of Christians who have never done anything bad?
only statistics has any meaning, and it would require a very large number of reports to make up statistics, so you will likely be wasting your time. I will do my part and maintain a list however.
if ask for FLG believers to compile a list of horrors they have suffered, which they have already been doing since the start of the persecution, I bet that their list will be much longer than yours, because they are so well organized
How much proof do you think they would be able to get when there is no freedom of press?
Do you think that forbidding a 70 million person religion could have gone smoothly?
Do you think the thousands of personal of accounts of human rights violations that exist are all fake, and don’t indicate that many, many more have taken place but fallen under censorship?
Conversely, there is no reliable proof that FLG is bad as claimed by CCP that has been verified by international media.
By this logic, everyone should go to jail. The law should only punish individuals.
The communist party, which has had continuous power since 1949, killed millions during the Cultural Revolution 文化大革命 (1966-1976). Surely they must be banned, no?
But the CCP has changed so much since those days, I hear you say.
I agree. And so has FLG.
Yes, convincing someone to do something bad is as bad as doing it yourself of course, and must be forbidden.
Now proceed to prove that FLG made and will continue making people do bad things, going through:
For every desire of the masses, there will be amoral representatives that will step to use that power.
Still, those representatives cannot gain power if there is no backing desire from the society.
The only advantage of democracy, is that those representatives have to pretend harder to do things for that group to retain their power.
Possibly true, but which reports are you talking about specifically?
All that I care about is:
it is censored today
if you do it you go to jail
there were tens of millions of followers at the time of the ban
which I think are undeniable.
The only question that matters is: should it be banned or not?
Let’s just focus on the evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CedVnJOgwg4&feature=youtu.be "Undercover video reveals brutal treatment of Falun Gong prisoners inside Chinese labor camps" by "FOX 11 Los Angeles" published May 21, 2019. Names mentioned: Fuquan Yin,
In short: I believe that it has happened to many people.
It is obviously very hard to prove and quantify it definitely, much like it was hard to prove the Holocaust: bodies were cremated, and bribes were paid.
Even if we had a video showing the whole process, showing the whole money flow from donor to prison guard, it would still be hard to quantify it, so I do have some room for doubt in this opinion.
But consider the following, which is based on what I heard.
Even Chinese officials have admitted that in the past, if the body of the executed person is not claimed by family, then the organs can be extracted even without the consent of the prisoner:
Perhaps now that they claim that there is a large voluntary organ donor database, then this has stopped or been reduced, but let’s focus on that period when the extractions were widely done.
From this, even though China does not publish execution statistics, we can imagine that a large part of the organs come from prisoners sentenced to death.
Then, consider that a 70 million person religion was banned, leading to a huge influx of prisoners from that religion.
FLG followers are just de-facto criminals like any other, and so extracting their organs is also de-facto legal.
Also, people from that religion don’t drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs, and their organs are of good quality.
Furthermore, FLG prisoners continue to not bow down to the government even in prison, e.g. by doing their Falun Gong meditation, which makes them clearly identifiable and dangerous to the system.
Finally, add to that mix the huge level of corruption found in dictatorships.
Don’t you think, then, that it is extremely likely that it has happened many times that such people have been selected to be executed earlier than others on average, due to the monetary value of their organs?
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12910-019-0406-6 (archive) "Analysis of official deceased organ donation data casts doubt on the credibility of China’s organ transplant reform" by Matthew P. Robertson, Raymond L. Hinde and Jacob Lavee published at "BMC Medical Ethics" which is part of Springer Nature in 14 November 2019
The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China’s Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem, by Ehtan Gutmann, 2014
This is a mock tribunal, without any power of law, and was of course initially lobbied / organized brought up by FLG: https://endtransplantabuse.org/
However, Ciro Santilli believes that none of the lawyers / jury members are FLG believers, and that they are trying to honestly decide if there is enough evidence or not for organ harvesting in China.
They also have non-FLG witnesses.
Wether you believe in their partiality or not, I highly recommend watching some of what the witnesses, which I find very convincing and informative:
https://youtu.be/oW3IaaXWE8s?t=7225 Swedish man who spent several years in prison in China
A notable precursor to mock tribunals is the Russel Tribunal.
Dr. Enver Tothi, has spoken openly about his organ harvesting activities in the 1990s in several tribunals in Europe
2020 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/surgeon-who-harvested-organs-slaughtered-21040274 "Surgeon who harvested organs of slaughtered dissident now London Uber driver"
2019 in EU parliament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-9n897jIo
Some possibly neutral overviews.
But also as explaining why I don’t think it justifies the ban.
This section also gives me more credibility as a balanced critic >:-)
If asked if they follow a religion, most FLG believers will say no. E.g. they call themselves "practitioners" instead of believers.
But Ciro Santilli strongly believes that all most people in the West would classify FLG as a religion if they are told that for FLG:
absolute truth comes from an enlightened prophet, who is perfect and has super human abilities
weekly meetings where they read from a sacred book, either written by the prophet, or transcribed from his presentations to disciples, including the disciples questions, much like traditional Chinese texts like The Analects of Confucius
higher intelligent beings
aliens that looks like humans are amongst us, they gave us part of our modern technology
meetings in which people tell their religious testimonies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testimony#Religion
I predict that when FLG is dangerous because LHZ has too much power over followers dies, the claim will be that he went to another dimension so save us all, therefore putting this final judgement on hold, a bit like Jesus.
street preaching with stands and leaflets on the streets exactly like Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Falun Gong organization also specifies guidelines on how to preach, although these might not be canon, even though if they are not, it is extremely likely that LHZ is directly involved in their specification
Or a cult, which is nothing but a new / small religion with negative connotation, and thus meaningless.
But consider this: how to classify what a religion is?
Some would answer: science is what everyone can perceive with their own senses.
But FLG followers claim to feel FLG energies when doing the exercises, and a few of them have the power of seeing the other dimensions.
On the other hand, how many of your friends have experienced the laws of quantum field theory or general relativity in a very direct way?
And aren’t pro-democracy believers also taking actions based solely on a shared belief, possibly organized by a pro-democracy leader?
From a purely strategic point of view, the "religion" denomination would be:
good to FLG because the concept of freedom of religion carries considerable weight in the West
bad for FLG because people who already have a religion would be less likely to try it out and start believing
Many FLG practitioners claim that they are not at all organized, or that they have no political interest, and I truly believe that they mean it.
But it is obvious from the size of the FLG related media, namely:
that in practice they do have are a highly organized hierarchical structure, and very likely with LHZ at the very top, e.g.:
Shen Yun’s 2018 libretto says that their Artistic Director and founder is "D.F." (likely an abbreviation for Da Fa, which is an abbreviation for Falun Gong Dafa, which is a full name of Falun Gong), with a picture of LHZ on top. It also amusingly says that D.F. is a "Distinguished Professor of Music and Dance at Fei Tian College in New York", which is likely where many of Shen Yun’s dancers are trained, and therefore controlled by himself to a large extent
LHZ mentions NDTV, Epoch Times and Shen Yun extensively on his What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?. TODO link to source, this based on unintentionally overhearing to my family members reading it.
Furthermore, Falun Gong practitioners directly lobby foreign governments to take action against human rights abuses in China, e.g.:
Like any other religion, they have all the right to take those actions, and it is definitely in their best interest, and perhaps in the best interest of the whole world, that they do so.
The only thing that annoys me is their lack of self perception on this matter: the large majority of Western people would definitely classify them as an organized political force after having observed their activities. When they say otherwise, they are hurting their own credibility.
Agreed, and it is a point that hurts more than helps their cause.
But the media is not legally obliged to state their affiliation.
And if that were the case, then we should force all newspapers start taking pools of how many employees follow which religion and support which political party, and then put that in their print.
Like most old religions.
Democracy dislikes dictators.
You and I dislike certain personality traits without any logical reason.
What matters is that we treat everyone with respect and without bias at work, even if we don’t like them.
But the law can’t force you to like everyone.
If one specific FLG member breaks a law by discriminating someone, they should be punished just like anyone else.
Due to their beliefs in the healing power of FLG, which seems to have certain level of support on canonical texts TODO precise quotes.
This is a point that makes me worry, and I do believe that it is true for some believers, that but consider:
what matters are statistics. Maybe FLG people live longer than non FLG in average. But we will never have statistics because of censorship: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/27529/have-many-falun-gong-practitioners-forgone-medical-treatment-and-died-of-treatab
maybe people should be allowed to choose how they want to die, not to take medication if they don’t want to
maybe the number of people killed during persecution vastly outnumbers those who died because they would not take medication
several religions, including Christianity have miraculous cure claims. My impression is that claims were mostly notable in the old times apparently, likely because people noticed that Christians were still dying of all kinds of diseases like everyone else, no matter how devout!
maybe the main reason why communists banned FLG is the political threat it posed, but that a ban was unjustified given the situation. Christian crosses are being taken down as of 2016, have they stopped taking their medications as well?
maybe many of those people would also have died soon even if they had taken medication
maybe not all Falun Gong believers thought that it was wise to stop taking medication. But their religion was banned anyways. Who can agree and follow all the innumerable prescriptions of any religious or legal system?
all the following also reduce people’s lifespan:
riding motorcycles vs cars / buses
moving to a poor country to do charity there
eating fast food
Forbidding them also has huge humanitarian costs (more expensive vehicles, creation of a black market, …). So why not forbid them as well?
I agree that there is danger in every religion, and specially new religions.
However the same point can be made about political parties and in particular the CCP and its chairman.
Couldn’t a charismatic leader chairman gain more and more power (like Xi seems to be doing), and eventually start a war and kill millions? Or just kill some minority which is not happy about the situation.
Similarly, any charismatic leader of a pro democracy movement could become the leader of a terrorist organization.
If you ever want democracy, you will have to learn to accept the beliefs of others, and only punish them when they actually break a law.
Finally, LHZ was born in 1951, so he will die in 20 years, unless FLG is true and a miracle happens, and then this argument will become invalid.
From what I hear, LHZ has always maintained that he is the only source of truth on FLG, and therefore, so his death will very likely remove any danger once and for all.
Furthermore, it also seems to me that FLG is clearly anti-violence and self-harm, so I wonder how many would follow a contradictory order such as killing or suicide?
It is also interesting to look into the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown case. When the suicide order came, most people wanted out! Without physically controlling the followers, I don’t think you can make them do much.
I’ve seen that happen, they made phone calls to people in China to explain why FLG is good, and I disapprove of it.
Visual ads on the street on Internet I can stand, but not any kind of advertising that generates notifications on my feeds.
Trying to keep only "neutral" sources here, let me know if you spot something too biased: Biased media.
How I find them: What are the best sources of anti-commie news?.
2020-01 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3045657/china-human-rights-activist-ding-jiaxi-under-investigation one more human rights person Ding Jiaxi. The list is endless, should we care?
2019-12-18 Fudan University in China removes "freedom of thought" from university charters, students protes
2019-10-16 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/16/gitlab_employees_gagged/ GitLab prevents employees from discussing politics at work, and will not veto clients. This is not confirmed, but I guess it is very likely in reply to the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests given the timing. The merge request (archive).
Twitter to block operations by oppressive foreign state media
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/information_operations_directed_at_Hong_Kong.html Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/csodbt/twitter_suspends_nearly_1000_accounts_connected/
2019-07-12 https://www.apnews.com/a2584de07c014e4786a21bcf9f446a40 "37 countries rally around China at top UN human rights body"
2019-07-02 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/chinese-border-guards-surveillance-app-tourists-phones "Chinese border guards put secret surveillance app on tourists' phones"
2019-06-18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c "Inside China’s 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" China gives BBC "access" to a chosen show camp where everyone claims is happy and willing to stay. Amazing dark-comedy like stuff.
2019-05-09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2hBtXdaYsQ&list=PLcZOZrP1P_V5d7RMOKXF1PT70fcfYJpgY&index=2&t=14s Cynthia Liu, daughter of Liu Changming pleas freedom on YouTube, commented upload by CBS, TODO can’t find original video on YouTube, maybe they sent straight to CBS?
2019-04-28 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48084019 Hong Kong: Thousands protest against China extradition law
2019-01 https://www.apnews.com/40f7cf4c0c6e43f18121af93f1e418f7 Microsoft Bing https://www.bing.com/ search engine blocked in China
2019-01 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/business/china-internet-censor.html interview with Beyondsoft, a company that offers censoring services
Repository published in 2019-04 protesting against excessive work hours by Chinese programmers.
The name refers to:
"996": work from 9AM to 9PM 6 days a week
"ICU": Intensive Care Unit
Reached 180k stars in a week, and was the second most starred repository as of 2019-10 https://github.com/search?q=stars%3A%3E100&s=stars&type=Repositories (archive)!!!
This is therefore the best example for Chinese tech workers that freedom of speech is a good thing.
2018-11 https://www.businessinsider.com/liu-changming-china-holds-officials-family-hostage-to-force-return-2018-11 China is holding a renegade official’s family hostage to pressure him to come back. Western media, for the love of God, include names in Chinese news titles: Liu Changming, wife Sandra Han, children Victor and Cynthia Liu.
2018-01 http://uk.businessinsider.com/china-marriott-tweets-censorship-2018-1?r=US&IR=T Marriott lists Taiwan as country in the website
2017-11 低端人口 Low-end population
2017-11 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/7a7hf9/the_worlds_largest_academic_publisher_blocks/ Springer nature pulls sensitive articles. TODO article list.
2017-07 https://qz.com/1056938/cambridge-university-press-china-quarterly-complies-with-censorship-removes-300-articles-on-topics-like-tiananmen-and-tibet-in-china/ Book list: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-file-manager/file/59970028145fd05f66868bf5?utm_content=bufferb652b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20170905214500/https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-file-manager/file/59970028145fd05f66868bf5?utm_content=bufferb652b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
2017-06 http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/ordered-05092017155554.html Uyghurs studying abroad ordered to return to China
2017-03 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39137293 BBC Team forced to sign confession
2016-11 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38005603 Election china style, BBC interview with Chinese candidate, while thugs block him physically from nocking the door: Funny / scary stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/5dfigb/this_is_democracy_chinesestyle/
2016-09: http://qz.com/783026/china-censorship-chinese-citizens-are-being-arrested-for-sharing-news-about-the-wukan-village-rebellion-online/ http://qz.com/781989/foreign-journalists-are-wanted-for-3000-by-chinese-authorities-for-inciting-unrest-in-a-village/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wukan_protests
2016-06 https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/78775b09e64d85f08547287cab204b48b2491192/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md first GitHub takedown, see also: Programthink 编程随想
2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/asia/china-britain-queen-xi-jinping.html?_r=0 queen says Chinese were rude in state visit
2016 http://shanghaiist.com/2016/05/06/dont_eat_that_banana.php Sexy banana eating forbidden
201X http://qz.com/671211/chinas-propaganda-outlets-have-leaped-the-top-of-facebook-even-though-it-banned-at-home/ Chinese government uses forbidden media in China like Facebook and Twitter, possibly click farmed
2016-04 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/01/26/china-threatens-sanctions-against-u-s-companies-is-this-the-future/ China economic sanctions companies that sell weapons to Taiwan (some of those companies also sell civilian products to China)
2016-04 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-demands-shutdown-disneylife-service-887599 Disney Life blocked
2016-04 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-demands-shutdown-apples-film-886831 Apple iTunes and iBooks blocked
2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35968855 China’s 'Great Firewall' blocks its creator
2016 Panama papers 巴拿马文件
2016 http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship gay depiction banned on television
2016 http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35496562 Armani Communist - http://www.ibtimes.com/xi-jinping-wants-overhaul-image-chinas-rich-kids-1961207 - first section of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKQ5ijFZ_j8
2016 http://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-defector-reveals-beijings-secrets/ Ling Wancheng defects
2016 http://chinachange.org/2016/01/21/activist-in-xinjiang-sentenced-to-19-years-for-online-writings-and-rights-activities/ Zhang Haitao (张海涛) faces 19 years in jail for his blog posts
2016 http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/20/technology/facebook-android-tor/ Facebook Android app implements Tor option
2016 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/41y6ig/hong_kong_movie_predicts_dark_future_for_city/ Honk Kong (2016) movie
2015 https://news.vice.com/article/the-missing-hong-kong-booksellers-family-isnt-buying-his-televised-confession Gui Minhai, 51, from publisher Mighty Current who was going to publish a book about Xi Jinping 习近平's love life.
Lam Wingkee is another one of the detaine bookselers
2015 Taiwanese beauty queen kicked out of Miss Earth pageant for refusing to change `Taiwan ROC' sash to `Chinese Taipei' http://shanghaiist.com/2015/11/23/miss-earth-ting-wen-yin.php
2015 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/speech-enables-speech-china-takes-aim-its-coders https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks shadowsocks creator threatened
2015 http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34630829 Lego refuses to sell to Ai Weiwei
2015 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/world/asia/china-bao-zhuoxuan-son-wang-yu-rights-lawyer-house-arrest.html Bao Zhuoxuan 16-year old son of human rights layer in house arrest
2015 Human rights activists crackdown 200+ in jail
2015-03 China forces real usernames on the net, and provoking ones
2014 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/4hmhzt/xinjiang_massacre_2014_resulted_in_30005000_deaths/ something very serious happened in Xinjiang.
2013 https://www.ft.com/content/db8b9e36-1119-11e8-940e-08320fc2a277 Peter Humphrey
2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8682145.stm 10 month Xinjiang internet blackout
2009 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_Zuoren#2009_court_case Ai Weiwei documentary about it: https://aiweiwei.com/documentaries/disturbing-the-peace/index.html
2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenzhou_train_collision#Government_response https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011%E5%B9%B4%E7%94%AC%E5%8F%B0%E6%B8%A9%E9%93%81%E8%B7%AF%E5%88%97%E8%BD%A6%E8%BF%BD%E5%B0%BE%E4%BA%8B%E6%95%85 Wenzhou train collision 2011年甬台温铁路列车追尾事故:
https://file.wikileaks.org/file/tibet-protest-photos/ Good gory photos from the event.
1999 http://www.lionsroar.com/apple-thinks-different-about-the-dalai-lama-in-china-2/ Apple censors Dalai Lama for China
1987–1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%80%9389_Tibetan_unrest https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E5%B9%B4%E6%8B%89%E8%90%A8%E9%AA%9A%E4%B9%B1. Videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jylh1qfOG4, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMZgoRuPJBg Tibetan unrest 年拉萨骚乱
1978, 1997 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Spring https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8C%97%E4%BA%AC%E4%B9%8B%E6%98%A5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Wall https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%A5%BF%E5%8D%95%E6%B0%91%E4%B8%BB%E5%A2%99
AP footage is pretty good, just do a search on the archive:
Zhang Shijun is the most notable soldier who spoke up it seems:
http://www.ursulagauthier.fr/tiananmen-15-minutes-dapocalypse/ (archive) a few gory photos
Good list of all known photos: https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/05/30/the-other-tank-man-photographs/
A list of Tank Man parodies can be found at: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/tank-man
CNN video of Tank Man: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeFzeNAHEhU but not showing removal, ridiculous, is there a full raw footage somewhere?
Several quick cuts by CBS news that give a good overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbx352cn8A
MMA fighter who beat up some kung-fu masters to prove that MMA is more effective than their traditional styles.
As of 2019, he had 14 Weibo accounts blocked (created one, got blocked, created another, got blocked, etc.). Source: https://www.inkstonenews.com/society/chinas-mma-fighter-xu-xiaodong-fight-survival/article/3047417
Profiles and news:
Very popular Chinese language anonymous blogger that publishes software programming tutorials and political content since 2009, often negative about the CCP, in particular anti-censorship and anti-CCP-brainwashing.
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%BC%96%E7%A8%8B%E9%9A%8F%E6%83%B3%E7%9A%84%E5%8D%9A%E5%AE%A2 (there is no English page as of January 2020)
https://program-think.blogspot.com/ The blog. Blocked in China with the rest of
2020 categorized summary of the best posts of all time: https://program-think.blogspot.com/2020/01/11-years-blogging.html
https://github.com/programthink/zhao manually curated database of maps relationships between Chinese politicians, this was the first GitHub gov-takedown from china: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/36e76c34682d2b52eef405ca6f57e1b9ddde3086/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md
The full project name is: 太子党关系网络 (network of relations of CCP princelings).
DW coverage (Chinese): https://www.dw.com/zh/2013%E5%BE%B7%E5%9B%BD%E4%B9%8B%E5%A3%B0%E5%9B%BD%E9%99%85%E5%8D%9A%E5%AE%A2%E5%A4%A7%E8%B5%9B%E4%B8%AD%E6%96%87%E6%8F%90%E5%90%8D%E5%8D%9A%E5%AE%A2%E6%8F%AD%E6%99%93/a-16716065 (archive) 2013德国之声国际博客大赛——中文提名博客揭晓 ""
Sources of information pertinent to this repository.
The following offer interesting commentary, but not to be used as primary sources:
I consider the media in this section biased, and never cite it for fact checking.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrNz-aDmcr2uuto8_DL2jg CGTN, CCTV’s international branch in English
I have no proof that this is linked to the government, but it is very likely, even the Chinese embassy website links to it:
News and reports:
2019-09 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-49511231 (archive) "Confucius Institutes: The growth of China’s controversial cultural branch"
2019-01 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/11/u-s-universities-have-shut-down-confucius-institutes-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ (archive) "Why U.S. universities are shutting down China-funded Confucius Institutes"
News and reports:
2019-10-13 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-13/cssa-influence-australian-universities-documents-revealed/11587454 (archive) "Chinese Students and Scholars Association’s deep links to the embassy revealed" in Australia.
Older shows had ndt.tv water mark on top right, e.g. a 2013 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmMvS3lgJBs
The video description also links to http://e.ntd.tv/NTDChinaUncensored which is now down, but has archives such as http://web.archive.org/web/20130321071835/http://e.ntd.tv/NTDChinaUncensored which suggest a redirect back to the YouTube channel:
TODO why did newer videos remove the water mark and clear link? Did they break links, or just to hide Falun Gong influence?
Home page gives extremely unusual importance to Falun Gong resouces, e.g.:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/youtube-scraped-most-popular-channel-on-china-politics-from-search-suggestions_2675796.html (archive) Epoch Times highlights the channel "Why YouTube’s Most Popular Channel on China Politics Doesn’t Show in Search Suggestions"
Just because they are/were funded/founded by the CIA, it doesn’t mean that we can’t use their amazing satirical cartoons to fight Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship?, right?
See my "China Politics" playlist for a collection of all sensitive videos I have ever found on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcZOZrP1P_V5d7RMOKXF1PT70fcfYJpgY Ping me if you find any I haven’t included.
Interesting videos that were deleted / made private since I added them:
2019-04-17 http://web.archive.org/web/20190424021220/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPnnHCeRH3w the Leica ad: https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/19/18508009/leica-china-censored-ad-tiananmen-square-protests-weibo Re-upload by SCMP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcuLZDHLFt8
2019-05-18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAEUafI_lyI not on Web Archive, lesson learnt
Humour is the greatest weapon against dictators:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Religious_Affairs_Bureau_Order_No._5 officially named "Measures on the Management of the Reincarnation of Living Buddhas" (藏传佛教活佛转世管理办法)
https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/3pqljx/zimbabwes_ruthless_dictator_mugabe_wins_chinas/ 2015 Zimbabwe dictator wins Confucius prize
South Park S32 E1 "Band in China" (2019), episode criticizing Chinese censorship
free preview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6DI6XuvCwE
free episode but only for US / Canada… https://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s23e02-band-in-china
reply from show creators to censorship https://twitter.com/SouthPark/status/1181273539799736320
BBC’s report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-49968867
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGPZYFeUUAAYMQf?format=jpg&name=large "Tibet, Uyghur, Hong Kong, World" China death knocking door cartoon. TODO source, originally seen at: https://twitter.com/Lawrence_HKer/status/1181026542786203648 (archive)
http://caglecartoons.com/?s=China The website blocks Web Archive.
Without a doubt, the greatest anti-Communist joke cartoonist of the 2010s.
As of 2019 he does work for Radio Free Asia 自由亚洲电台, so a possible list of all cartoons of this era can be found at: https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/story_archive
His best work can be found scattered throughout this document in the relevant sections.
Not China only like Rebel Pepper 变态辣椒, but does have some good China ones.
https://www.cagle.com/paresh-nath/2018/01/china-s-manipulation "We don’t seek to conquer foreign lands", "It seeks to conquer foreign minds!"
http://media.cagle.com/78/2017/03/08/192621_600.jpg "We believe in free trade and reforms"
https://www.cagle.com/paresh-nath/2014/10/honk-kong-protests "Communism", "Democracy" and "Hong Kong" illustrates democracies disadvantage, that it is hard to get everyone on the same boat to fight together compared to dictatorships. This was also seen clearly on WW2 when the British government hesitated for a long time to attack while seeking peace, until Churchill stepped up.
Known primarily for its mine, which was one of the oldest operating companies in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Mine
https://www.yuumeiart.com/fisheye-placebo-chapters Fisheye Placebo by Wenqing Yan. Webcomic that talks a lot about climbing the great wall. Artist obviously pro-democracy: https://twitter.com/Yuumei_Art/status/1174394851179167744
I don’t think this is below the USA, but:
without censorship, you would be much richer and stronger, and more able to defend yourselves
why does China also censor its own people in addition to foreign propaganda?
maybe this fear is greatly emphasised by the Chinese government beyond truth just to help them keep control of the country by fear and maintain their own power. Can the Americans really have that much influence in your country? The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power
maybe the regions that want to split from China feel like China is not giving them anything back, and they are themselves looking for allies outside of China to help them split. With democracy, people are more likely to get what they want, and there will be split parties and votes.
the same argument can be used to justify any action, no matter how bad. E.g.: we must put all who criticize the government in jail, or else they will make China less united and weaker against the USA!
18.104.22.168. Internal censorship is necessary to prevent fake USA accounts from creating harmful propaganda
The USA cannot create enough fake accounts to overwhelm real 1.5 billion Chinese accounts, especially considering things like forcing mobile number account verification.
Chinese politicians are just using this fear as an excuse to stay in power: The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power.
What if a Chinese person who really loves China and wants to improve the country disagrees with the Government?
What if this person is right, and wants to express this publicly to get support and make change happen?
Should this person just be put into jail as is done currently? Do you really think that the CCP can never do anything seriously wrong? Chinese politicians really care about the Chinese citizens?
When citizens stop trying to contribute due to fear, this is known as the chilling effect (寒蝉效应).
What if a politician does something bad, and suppresses the news to protect themselves?
Without freedom of speech, who will watch over the actions of those in power? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I hear always the admonishment of my friends:
"Bolt her in, constrain her!"
But who will guard the guardians? The wife plans ahead and begins with them.
With internal censorship, leaders inevitably become Gods, and soon zealous sons betray their fathers and brothers in loyalty to the leader and their fake ideal. See for example the scene from The Man in the High Castle S04E06 in which the devoted Thomas Smith hands himself in to be killed after discovering that he has a disease, which is not acceptable in Nazi America: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SymuEg6NRp0
The famous Heinrich Heine (German but from the 19th century, before the Nazis) saying also comes to mind:
Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.
Do you not think that this translates well to the modern version:
Where they have deleted online posts, they will end in deleting human beings.
Friendly looking mascots of Internet Censorship in China created by the Shenzhen Government in 2006.
https://youtu.be/ZB8ODpw_om8?t=583 "Roger Dingledine - The Tor Censorship Arms Race The Next Chapter - DEF CON 27 Conference" mentions that choosing friendly looking mascots for internet censorship is a comon practice in several dictatorships, so to suggest that they are just protecting citizens, These show the cute UAE censorship page for example:
The images were removed from Wikipedia presumably due to fair use concerns, so Ciro asked how to check that at: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/137977/how-to-check-why-a-fair-use-image-was-removed-from-wikipedia After understanding the case, Ciro reuploaded the images, hopefully for good.
Cisco may have knowingly helped to build the Chinese internet censorship infrastructure in the 2000’s
https://www.eff.org/files/2016/01/12/113_second_amended_complaint_does_v._cisco_9.18.13.pdf they had a demo with a Falun Gong module
Internal CISCO documents quote the Chinese Government saying: "The Golden Shield Project … Combat Falun Gong evil religion and other hostiles"
To other dictatorships:
2017: Amesys France for facial recognition surveillance in Egypt: https://www.fidh.org/en/region/north-africa-middle-east/egypt/sale-of-surveillance-equipment-to-egypt-by-french-company-amesys
2011: Netsweeper Inc. from Canada to UAE
2009: Forcepoint, previously Websense
claims on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forcepoint#Censorship
In 2019, the European Union was considering making stricter laws about cyber surveillance exports, to include more technologies that can be used either for Censorship or other non-evil applications (dual-use), kudos to them:
Projects that attempt to understand how the Great Firewall works and what it blocks:
https://freeweibo.com/ related project by the same organization, a Weibo archive it seems
https://en.greatfire.org/blog/2013/nov/google-can-bring-end-censorship-10-days-heres-how made some noise at the time
Garry King Harvard papers:
https://github.com/phoeagon/gfw-sim GFW emulation
https://github.com/citizenlab/chat-censorship data on Censorship
It is also worth noting that as mentioned at: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.
Chinese people widely use this website list with browser extensions, so as to only use more expensive and risky censorship circunvention traffic when accessing certain webpages.
The result is a well maintained list of interesting websites. About half of which is porn.
Get the full list with:
base64 -d gfwlist.txt
https://gking.harvard.edu/files/gking/files/50c.pdf "How the Chinese Government Fabricates Social Media Posts for Strategic Distraction, not Engaged Argument" by "Gary King, Jennifer Pan, Margaret E. Roberts" published on 2017-04-09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCnnPf2OnHo "Chinese Internet Trolls Get Paid 50 Cents For Every Comment" by "laowhy86" published on 2018-09-27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkw15LkZ_Kw "China’s "Social Credit System" Has Caused More Than Just Public Shaming (HBO)" by "VICE News" published on 2018-12-12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cGB8dCDf3c "A Look Inside China’s Social Credit System | NBC News Now" by "NBC News" published on 2019-06-04
Much like real Chinese food, your mind will be blown.
The best approach is to start with the largest multi-artist anthologies available to get a general overview of what is there.
Then, you can start Googling by instrument. The main four instruments are undoubtedly:
but there is also amazing content on others including:
and there is of course the infinite Wikipedia instrument list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_musical_instruments
Western instruments or modern digital effects
on YouTube: "relax" videos with boring generic music.
They usually have some cute landscape scenes or overly produced good looking women as thumbnail.
Good video covers will show the musicians with their instruments, or Chinese traditional painting.
good: single instrument solo. There are some good multi-instrument and songs as well though, but harder to find.
Due to the language and political barrier, Chinese traditional music distribution is unfortunately atrocious, so learn what an ISRC is and don’t use BitTorrent which the Chinese call "BT".
If you find album cover pictures on Google images, the ISRC should be somewhere on the back.
Here are the few best I’ve seen. Not enough to replace the non-free, but pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcZOZrP1P_V5J2P3ogZNpya0BAuPEgyuE my "Chinese Traditional Music YouTube playlist with all good music videos I found on YouTube. This will give you an initial idea.
Notable longer videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ZKN-H7at4 42 minute live Guqin presentation by Chen Leiji published by "Asia Society" on Jan 23, 2018, recoded in New York, January 20, 2018.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCltmf0pqjXyLtNsF2vek_wQ 自得琴社 Zi De Guqin Studio. Amazing production.
https://www.youtube.com/user/yukinachang/videos "SoundofChina Guzheng" channel with a lot of guzheng content!
Good YouTube lists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc0CzuA35y8&list=PLXPo1Bj1TYy73e8s99pyKfFD7iHqwigfN "Chinese" by "Ungern Sternberg"
http://www.silkqin.com/06hear.htm John Thompson’s Guqin website. Holy crap amazing list of Guqin pieces by the guy for MP3 download!
Download all mp3:
wget -r -np -l 1 -A mp3 http://www.silkqin.com/06hear.htm. Contacted John by email in 2019 telling him to put his stuff on YouTube and offering help.
John focuses on playing the tunes in a "historically informed performance", in particular using silk strings rather that metal ones which are used by most modern artists: http://www.silkqin.com/08anal/hip.htm
https://www.ibiblio.org/chinese-music/ several loose tracks for direct download. Not sure if legal, but has been up forever. The following sections are pretty good:
ISRC of CD 1: CN-E01-04-450-00 / A.J6
Publisher: China Record Corporation.
Chinese information: http://web.archive.org/web/20190816092018/http://www.gyhj.org/read/179301/1/1
English information with Google translate: http://web.archive.org/web/20190816090447/https://1337x.unblockninja.info/torrent/1254538/Master-of-Chinese-Traditional-Music-Complete-Series-20-CDs-ABEE/
English song names properly copied from images: http://web.archive.org/web/20190816092313/https://muzz.pro/chinese_instrumental_traditional_music_master_of_chinese_traditional_music_20_albums_2005_mp3_tracks_320_kbps-1625006.html
A search on Amazon leads many of their albums in loose form: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=master+of+chinese+traditional+music&i=digital-music and you can patch together most of them by looking at the following two cover art styles:
ISRC: CN-A50-06-389-00 / A.J6 (seems to be for the whole anthology)
Chinese information: http://web.archive.org/web/20190817072026/http://keai99.com/thread-435767-1-1.html
Chinese name: 中国民乐大师纯独奏鉴赏
Publisher: Chinese Musicians' Association
ISRC of CD 1: CN-F13-03-435-00 / A.J6
Publisher: China Record Corporation.
Amazon link of CD 1: https://www.amazon.com/Zhong-Guo-Gu-Chinese-Primitive/dp/B000S996JO (archive).
English tracklist and front covers: http://web.archive.org/web/20190817221426/https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1298954
The most important publisher: China Record Corporation, AKA "CRC Jianian".
One thing to try is an Amazon advanced search by label "China Record Co": https://www.amazon.com/s?i=digital-music&rh=p_33%3AChina+Record+Co&s=relevancerank&Adv-Srch-MP3-Submit.x=42&Adv-Srch-MP3-Submit.y=4&unfiltered=1&ref=sr_adv_m_digital
Other lists similar to this one:
Google Maps list: https://goo.gl/maps/zBkmPaU1wLP2
Most Western people do not know what real Chinese food is.
When you first see it, your mind is completely blown: there it was, one of the best foods in the world by far, and you had never tried it: only a completely watered down boring version that you get when you are not guided by Chinese people.
We must put a stop to this madness.
After you see the light and eat the real version of a dish, then when you go to a not-real restaurant you start to think: "hey, I know what dish this was supposed to be. But it could be so much more awesome!" This makes non-real restaurants twice as bad. So beware, there is no turning back.
tier 1: amazing, worth a trip
tier 2: worth it, but not exciting, so not worth a trip just for it
tier 3: I wouldn’t go there
go with Chinese food-loving friends to Chinese restaurants
read up Chinese restaurant recommendation websites written in Chinese by Chinese for Chinese
read up small shady Chinese food recommendation websites by sinophiles like me
Big Western sites like Google Maps reviews and TripAdvisor are completely and utterly useless for this and will recommend you places in which poor non-Chinese which don’t know what real Chinese food is like.
If you go out on the street by yourself, you are very unlikely to find really good Chinese food since the enormous majority of Chinese restaurants are not real Chinese food.
If there are only Chinese clients inside the restaurant, it is a good indicator that it might be good. If all clients people are Western, run away.
Western people don’t know what good Chinese food is, so if you are not in a place that has a very large Chinese population, real Chinese food restaurants cannot survive, and won’t exist. This usually implies being in large cities of rich countries.
Beware of restaurant owner changes: if the menu looks a bit different, it has likely happened.
This is politically incorrect, but here goes: if the place looks as if it is maintained by more recent immigrants, and looks more modern, it is more likely to be good. There are however some venerable older uncles who have cooked well their entire lives and are still fine. Things tend water down across generations, and there was likely not enough real Chinese clientele for them to serve real Chinese food and survive in the past.
If a restaurant advertises itself as "Asian", it is less likely to be very good.
Conversely, restaurants that specialize in a single region of China are more likely to be good (bot not certainly good).
It is already difficult to do the cuisine for one part of China well, imagine for multiple countries.
Just beware of "Sichuan" restaurants: their cuisine is so well known even in the West that I’ve seen many not so good restaurants that describe themselves like that, even if the owners are from another region. But there are many good ones which really are from there as well.
For all restaurants, ask the waiter for suggestions. Tell him that you:
want the most typical dishes, not what the foreign locals eat, but what the Chinese eat
can eat spicy food, way more than any foreign local person can.
The spice level you generally want is is "zhong1 la2" (medium spicy)
If you can’t eat spicy, either learn or stop reading now and accept the fact that you will never eat good Chinese food.
if the restaurant is from some region, ask for dishes from the region, and which are different from other regions.
I was once given jiaozi (super popular dish everywhere in China which I buy frozen and eat every 3 days) in a Tibetan restaurant… Yes, I do believe Tibetans also eat jiaozi! :-)
Speaking a little Chinese goes a long way towards convincing the owners that you can handle the real thing.
Only order dishes with meat. Those without are not worth the money / time. Aubergine is the exception.
Traiteurs are simpler restaurants that let you see pre-made foods in a glass showcase for you to choose how big your portions will be.
They are the best way to eat a cheap and balanced meal in Paris, but I have never found one that serves exceptional Chinese food, so beware.
Paris has one of the largest Chinese communities outside of China in the whole world centered in the 14eme arrondissement, plus a lot of Chinese students with money around.
As a result, you can find some of the best Chinese food in the world outside of China!
http://www.newsavour.com/restaurants/ Chinese only, Paris, website subsidiary of some larger Chinese group.
Restaurant Sichuan (川里川外)
17 Rue le Peletier, 75009 Paris
Last checked: 2017/06
Chez Yong (Ding Ding Xiang, 鼎鼎香)
42, rue de la Colonie, 75013 Paris
shui zhu niu rou
dishes with intestines
La Chine sur la langue (舌尖美味)
163 rue Saint-Denis, 75002 Paris
Spicy soup with Chinese charcuteries. Ma la tang.
Large dry and thin bread. Jing dong da bing. 京东大饼. Picture.
Quatre Amis (那家小馆)
29 rue de Charenton, 75012 Paris
Shui zhu niu rou
Anything with intestines
Le Céleste Gourmand (福来居, fu lai ju)
8 Rue de la Tacherie, 75004 Paris
L’Orient d’Or (福源丰)
22, Rue de trévise, 75009 Paris
Galettes croustillantes au canard (xiang su ya dai bing, 香酥鸭带饼)
Poisson pimentee (suan tang yu, 酸汤鱼)
Soupe aux cartilages de porc avec algues (hai dai pau gu tang, 海带排骨汤)
25 euros / person.
Carnet de Route
57 Rue du Faubourg Montmartre, 75009 Paris
Last checked: 2016/04
0 d’Attente (锅先生不等位)
55 Boulevard Saint Marcel, 75013 Paris
+33 9 81 49 68 06
Like style of chairs and cutlery.
Ironically, the service was not particularly fast as the name indicates. Normal, but not ultra fast as I imagined :-)
lotus with rice (Nuo mi tang ou) and boeuf sechee (guo xian sheng …) not very good, but baked fish and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meigan_cai kaorou were great.
Last checked: 2016/02
Autour du Yangtse (食尚煮意)
12 Rue du Helder, 75009 Paris
Marmite de poisson et de tofu (豆花鱼)
Saliva chiken (口水鸡)
Aubergines farcies sur plaqua chauffante (铁板脆皮茄)
Deux Fois Plus De Piment (绝代双椒)
Address: 33 Rue Saint-Sébastien, 75011 Paris
Délices de Shandong (山东小馆)
88 Boulevard de l’Hôpital, 75013 Paris
3 Rue Voltaire, 75011 Paris
Food from the Hakka people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people
Most dishes are like other good Chinese restaurants in Paris, but there were a few different ones.
Maison Dong (东馆)
36 Rue Vivienne, 75002 Paris
Last checked: 2017/04
Royal Tching Tao (青岛人家)
8 Rue du Bel-Air, 75012 Paris
Galettes croustillantes au canard. Shi zi tou.
Sweet fish （Song shu gui yu 松鼠桂鱼)
Le Pont de Yunnan (滋味云南)
15 Rue Notre Dame de Lorette, 75009
Great food, but we had a bad service experience: got kicked out too early, even with a reservation.
Tien Hiang (天香)
14, rue Bichat, 75010 Paris
Vegetarian food: most dishes are an imitation of a dish with meat.
Not as good as the original meat for me, but very interesting and good for a change.
Chinese vegetarians are rare. In theory, the origin of the food in this restaurant is Hong Kong Buddhism (Buddhist monks cannot eat meat, while other believers can.)
39 Avenue de Choisy, 75013 Paris
Restaurant Sichuan (四川人家)
31-33 Rue Descartes, 75005 Paris
Perfect Fuqi feipian.
Huiguorou is good not my style, I prefer with leek.
Last checked: 2017/04
Cheaper / simpler restaurants that are really worth it if you want to not be hungry, but not worth it if you want eat exceptional food:
58 Rue Sainte-Anne, 75002 Paris
Korean take-away traiteur. Very good. Try calamar.
Last checked: 2017/06
Ji Bai He
108 Rue Olivier de Serres, 75015 Paris
Jiaozi and accompanying small dishes are great.
Last checked: 2016/03
5 Rue d’Arras, 75005 Paris
M10: Cardinal Lemoine
Liang ban mian, but do ask "wei la, they are strong.
Noodle No 1
54 rue Sainte Anne, 75002 Paris
Soupe aux nouilles pimentées
31 Rue nationale, 75013 Paris, France
39 Rue au Maire, 75003 Paris, France
40 Rue Sainte-Anne, 75002 Paris
Order big portion at your own risk. :-)
Last checked: 2017/04
Chez Mamie (外婆家)
18 Rue du Grenier-Saint-Lazare, 75003 Paris,
Last checked: 2017/06
14 Cours Jean Ballard, 13001 Marseille, France
Little Newport Street WC2H 7JJ
Last checked: 2016/08
Not yet on Google maps so I don know the number, but the street is very small so should be easy to find.
Chinese review: http://www.ukchinese.com/News/2016-05-07/15299.html
8A Sackville St Mayfair, London W1S 3EZ
Last checked: 2019/01
Biangbiang noodles with all extras zhongla is amazing!!! Niuroupaomo OK, but not exciting. Roujiamo not very interesting, too bland for my taste.
Little Newport Street WC2H 7JJ
Not yet on Google maps so I don know the number, but the street is very small so should be easy to find.
Jianbing guozi, interesting spicy fast food.
66 Mill Rd CB1 2AS
Last checked: 2017/08
Spicy chicken with pasta and potatoes.
66 Regent St CB2 1DP
72 Regent St CB2 1DP
Douhuaniurou 豆花牛肉, kaoyu.
12 Lensfield Rd CB2 1EG
Meicaikourou, luobo bing.
84 Regent St CB2 1DP
Last checked: 2019/05
Roujiamo very good. Also good: broad noodles, 凉皮.
Last checked: 2019/03
Redamian good, Biangbiangmian not as interesting. Nice people working there. Two two seat tables only, mostly takeaway. Fair price.
Last checked: 2019/03
Not real Chinese food I’m afraid. Songshuyu not cut correctly into stripes and too much liquid sauce. Sijidou beans not dry enough, maybe need more frying. Early immigration (1968, mentioned on menu), almost no Chinese clients. Nice decoration and environment.
China Red Restaurant
3 Rockingham Gate, Sheffield S1 4JD, United Kingdom
Last checked: 2016/06, shuizhuyu.
Chuanxiangyuan Restaurante (川香园餐馆 )
\R. Barão de Iguape, 47 - Liberdade, São Paulo - SP
Eat the big fish dishes, they are worth it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuqi_feipian was not very good.
Free tea was good.
Rice could be better.
Owners are actually from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianjin , not Sichuan, as implied by the 川 in the name of the restaurant. GF told me that those big fish dishes are typical from there.
Last checked: 2016/01/09
几分钟看完: illegal 10 minute summaries of movies with clips from the movies and a narrator speaking quickly instead of movie sounds.
Some have Chinese subtitles, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFSMvtS6SYQ and it is great content to learn from, because it is someone telling a not too boring story in a natural and clear way, with supporting images to help with context.
The cool thing about Git is that we can maintain several mirrors on multiple websites very easily:
Update all mirrors with: push-mirrors
Or to Ciro’s other online presences, due to China activity.
For Zhihu backlinks, see: Zhihu questions related to Ciro Santilli.
2019-10-31: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6595454363743981568/ (archive) "Good rundown of all the major news from China you don’t see. Notice how you don’t see anything about the Hong Kong protests anymore?"
2019-10-30: https://www.pincong.rocks/question/id-10294sort_key-agree_countsort-ASC (http://web.archive.org/web/20191101091242/https://www.pincong.rocks/question/id-10294sort_key-agree_countsort-ASC[archive]) "怎么让大陆把 Github 墙了？" How to get GitHub blocked by the Firewall? OP apparently really wants to block it? If yes, LOL. Trigerred by some 2019-10 Notepad++ activity.
2019-10 https://github.com/kon9chunkit/GitHub-Chinese-Top-Charts/blob/7131e2c1158a806f41c8f55308977048b02d2959/README-Part2.md Automatically generated list of repos with Chinese characters in their descriptions with the most upvotes per programming language. TODO why is this repo on their README-Part2 only? Has more stars than some stuff on main README.
2019-10-12: https://hacpai.com/article/1570686552645 Login required, cowards. Post title: "更新 GitHub 官方 Repo 的人，竟然是个反华分子". Manual page dump after my replies with links to this FAQ: https://ia801505.us.archive.org/27/items/cirosantilli/hacpai_1570686552645.html OP then deleted my comments because they don’t speak English "HacPai 是个文明的社区，不会发生辱骂的现象，你有你的观点，我们有我们的观点。但抱歉，我们的水平有限，没有阅读英文的能力，还请发送有效回复，否则只能折叠处理". It is some developper website: https://hacpai.com/article/1440573175609 (archive) linked to https://github.com/b3log/solo. OP then made an useless post here: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/70 As of 2019-10-12, I can’t login there anymore, either because the website is shitty, or I was blocked. GitHub login just fails silently, cannot reset password. If blocked, cowards. This led me to update: Ciro Santilli’s reply policy with the canned reply.
2019-09: https://admin.github.com Someone from GitHub has been thinking about us. s2 to you.
2019-06: https://gking.harvard.edu/ interesting. OK, likely due to: https://gking.harvard.edu/category/research-interests/applications/information-control-by-authoritarian-governments but no direct links found though.
2019-05: someone used the FAQ to answer a question: https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bt1mth/if_i_disappear_chinese_students_make_farewell/eou5a5q/ | http://web.archive.org/web/20190527072431/https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bt1mth/if_i_disappear_chinese_students_make_farewell/eou5a5q/ "‘If I disappear’: Chinese students make farewell messages amid crackdowns over labor activism"
2019-04-10: https://twitter.com/jnzst/status/1115824398961913857 gGTYgFulPg
2019-04-09: https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 | http://web.archive.org/web/20190413063930/https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 "【小众问题】为何 Stack Overflow 2019 开发者调查报告中，来自中国的开发者最为积极乐观？"
2019-05: https://community.riskiq.com/search/pincong.rocks pingcong people deciding if they should ban me? :-) commented there once: https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 | http://web.archive.org/web/20190527072431/https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/bt1mth/if_i_disappear_chinese_students_make_farewell/eou5a5q/http://web.archive.org/web/20190413063930/https://pincong.rocks/question/3383 This also suggests that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RiskIQ helps censorship in China
2019-01-10: https://twitter.com/ninoseki/statuses/1083512317952704512 | http://archive.is/vCwep 1300 followers.
2018-08: https://www.reddit.com/r/CCJ2/comments/93klir/moron_tries_to_dismantle_chinese_government_by | http://archive.is/HtYng "moron tries to dismantle chinese government by putting a few moon runes on some websites" Peak of 100 unique visitors / day from base rate of 5
2018-06: http://medarc.org/pac.txt | https://web.archive.org/web/20180712094944/http://medarc.org/pac.txt puts cirosantilli.com in a blacklist containing the likes of asianpiss.com and clearwisdom.net. Awesome. Then I grepped the main one https://github.com/gfwlist/gfwlist with
while true; do git checkout HEAD~; if ! base64 -d gfwlist.txt | grep -q cirosan; then break; fi; doneand found that I was added in 24a6f6f29e24d1d7eb27946bf51d7a072ddb3e6d Tue Apr 24 2018. That is input data for https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/autoproxy/ which turns on a proxy only for certain websites. Therefore that is a definitive list of interesting stuff. I wonder how it is curated.
2018-06: https://greasyfork.org/zh-CN/scripts/32236-stackoverflow%E5%87%80%E5%8C%96%E5%99%A8 "StackOverflow净化器"
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/32236-stackoverflow%E5%87%80%E5%8C%96%E5%99%A8 JavaSript script to hide my username on SO! Nice.
github user with the same username: https://github.com/EternalPhane
2018-05: a few hits from https://chinadigitaltimes.net but Google cannot find any links
2018-04-13: traffic peak, but no linkbacks. Many new Chinese followers, but few new stars on this repo, maybe they are afraid to star? Also someone (bot?) subscribed me to a hundred GovDelivery mailing lists, possibly linked? I also blocked an user from on GitHub due to impolite post. Also possibly linked to me posting a link to the FAQ more clearly on my home page recently: https://github.com/cirosantilli/cirosantilli.github.io/commit/f31d1651c0e7fef587e5910ff2dc1e2aba9a5763
2018-03-11: got a large traffic peak (60 vs 10 average), but no linkbacks to match. Likely source: parcerier pinged me at: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562812_288497 and I revamped the and FAQ replied with https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562840_320914 Someone also made: http://archive.is/jcZCA which points to: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/267723#comment562810_267723 . This issue was opened that day as well: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/12
2018-01: https://digitalrepository.unm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1088&context=cs_etds this site appears on the reference of a PhD thesis paper haha, links to complete-gfw-rulebook-for-wikipedia-v3.0.pdf.
2015-09-03: (deleted) http://www.weibo.com/2014703917/Cyc1gFt7A This is the user: http://www.weibo.com/2014703917 There have also been accesses from http://weibo.cn/sinaurl, but I don’t know what that means.
2015-08-03: 21 visitor Facebook peak, can’t find source
2015-06-20: (deleted) https://www.plurk.com/p/l1jjn4 Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20150918110032/https://www.plurk.com/p/l1jjn4 "這阿豆阿的名字XDD" by https://www.plurk.com/m/u/cyuanXD
2015-05-30: https://twitter.com/ZhouFengSuo/status/604461488716144640 (archive) 36K followers at the time. "The commies have messed with the wrong guy’s mother-in-law.". That is apparently the account of a famous Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 六四事件 protester: Zhou Fengsuo (周锋锁)