China Dictatorship 中国独裁统治
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- 1. About 关于
- 2. FAQ 常见问答集
- 2.1. Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢？
- 2.2. Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治
- 2.3. Why would China be better without its Dictatorship?
- 2.3.1. Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? 言论自由让中国比较富有
- 2.3.2. Censorship makes countries poorer
- 2.3.3. Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?
- 2.3.4. The Chinese masses are still uneducated, and not fit for free speech and democracy 中国大众愚昧，不能好好选领导
- 2.3.5. As long as China is developing economically, it is fine to violate the human rights of a few million people
- 2.3.6. Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships
- 2.4. Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?
- 2.4.1. Embargoes make dictatorships stronger 禁运使独裁更强大
- 2.4.2. Keyword attacks on programming websites will never have any effect
- 2.4.3. Stack Overflow and GitHub could be blocked at no cost by the Chinese government
- 2.4.4. Keyword attack profiles disturb me
- 2.5. Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities
- 2.6. Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics 外国人不应该干预中国政治
- 2.7. Ciro Santilli and this page are completely biased against the Chinese Government!
- 2.7.1. Ciro Santilli’s claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎
- 2.7.2. Ciro Santilli has a preconceived opinion about China that cannot be changed 三西猴对中国成见很深，无法改变
- 2.7.3. Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?
- 2.7.4. Why did Ciro Santilli start his keyword attack?
- 2.8. China is fine as it is, stop making it worse
- 2.9. There are bad things happening all over the world, why doesn’t Ciro Santilli fight for those causes as well/instead?
- 2.9.1. Western democracies are not perfect 西方的民主有很多缺点
- 2.9.2. Russia 俄罗斯
- 126.96.36.199. Putin Путин 普京 (1999-2008, 2012-∞)
- 188.8.131.52.1. Superputin
- 184.108.40.206.2. Gay Putin (2017)
- 220.127.116.11.3. The poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal Серге́й Ви́кторович Скрипáль (2018-03-04)
- 18.104.22.168.4. Electoral fraud in Russian elections
- 22.214.171.124.5. The murder of Alexander Litvinenko Литвиненко, Александр Вальтерович (2006)
- 126.96.36.199.6. Mandatory registration of bloggers (2014)
- 188.8.131.52. Putin opposition
- 184.108.40.206. Censorship of images in the Soviet Union
- 220.127.116.11. Stalin 斯大林 (1922-1952)
- 18.104.22.168. Putin Путин 普京 (1999-2008, 2012-∞)
- 2.9.3. Anti Russia dictatorship sources
- 2.10. Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗？
- 2.11. Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany 纳粹德国
- 2.12. Personal questions about Ciro Santilli
- 2.12.1. Can I contact you in Chinese?
- 2.12.2. Has Ciro Santilli you ever lived in China?
- 2.12.3. Is Ciro Santilli Chinese? 三西猴是中国人吗？
- 2.12.4. Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗？
- 2.12.5. Is Ciro Santilli a radical?
- 2.12.6. Are you a SJW?
- 2.12.7. Does Ciro Santilli hate China? 三西猴讨厌中国吗？
- 2.12.8. Ciro Santilli’s China freedom campaign is selfish
- 22.214.171.124. Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to become famous
- 126.96.36.199. Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign because it makes him feel important
- 188.8.131.52. Ciro Santilli is doing his China freedom campaign to vent off his anger
- 184.108.40.206. Is Ciro Santilli’s china-dictatorship campaign funded or otherwise supported by some organization?
- 2.12.9. Would Ciro Santilli be doing his China freedom campaign if he was in China?
- 2.12.10. Doesn’t Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?
- 2.13. Was Ciro Santilli influenced by the Cute cat theory of digital activism?
- 2.14. People in China have already considered democracy, and rejected it
- 2.15. Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP?
- 2.16. Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁！
- 2.17. What is a screen name keyword attack?
- 2.18. Separatism 分离主义
- 2.18.1. Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國
- 2.18.2. Xinjiang 新疆
- 2.18.3. Hong Kong 香港
- 2.19. What should all pro-democracy people do about China?
- 2.19.1. Photobombing-like attacks
- 2.19.2. What should Western countries do about China?
- 2.19.3. Western companies that comply with Chinese censorship requests
- 2.20. What should pro-democracy Chinese living in China do about the dictatorship?
- 2.21. Ciro Santilli’s reply policy 三西猴的回答政策
- 2.22. Who is behind this amazing FAQ?
- 2.23. How do different websites view Ciro Santilli’s profile?
- 2.23.1. Stack Overflow
- 2.23.2. GitHub
- 2.23.3. Zhihu 知乎
- 2.23.4. Zhihu censorship
- 220.127.116.11. Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03
- 18.104.22.168. Zhihu questions related to Ciro Santilli
- 2.23.5. Quora
- 2.23.6. PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊
- 2.23.7. Google 谷歌
- 2.24. Christianity 基督教
- 2.25. Gay rights LGBT权利
- 2.26. Falun Gong 法輪大法
- 2.26.1. Why is it important to talk about Falun Gong?
- 2.26.2. Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗？
- 2.26.3. Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？
- 2.26.4. What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?
- 2.26.5. Does Ciro Santilli support FLG, or just use it because it is censored?
- 2.26.6. How is it like to live with Falun Gong believers?
- 2.26.7. In the Tweet about his mother in law, Ciro Santilli says "correctional facility", but reeducation through labour has been abolished
- 2.26.8. Falun Gong is completely different in the West than it was in China
- 2.26.9. FLG has been funded by the US government at least once, therefore it is evil
- 2.26.10. FLG is illegal in China, we must follow the law
- 2.26.11. FLG is fake 法轮功是假的
- 2.26.12. Many people both are against censorship and FLG
- 2.26.13. Many people say they do FLG only to get VISAs to the USA
- 2.26.14. I have personally seen people do bad things because of Falun Gong
- 2.26.15. FLG does not have proof of their persecution claims
- 2.26.16. Someone from movement X did something bad, therefore the movement should be banned
- 2.26.17. People from movement X are only in it for political power
- 2.26.18. Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons
- 2.26.19. Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of human rights violations done to Falun Gong believers?
- 2.26.20. Things Ciro Santilli dislikes about Falun Gong
- 22.214.171.124. FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized
- 126.96.36.199. FLG dislikes several other groups like homosexuals and some other religions
- 188.8.131.52. FLG believers are less likely to take necessary medication
- 184.108.40.206. Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志)
- 220.127.116.11. Some Falun Gong people make phone telemarketing
- 2.26.21. Zhong Gong 中华养生益智功 (中功)
- 2.26.22. Falun Gong bibliography
- 3. Chinese politicians 中国政治家
- 3.1. Xi Jinping 习近平 (2012-∞)
- 3.2. Jiang Zemin 江泽民 (1989-2002)
- 3.3. Deng Xiaoping 邓小平 (1982-1987)
- 3.4. Mao Zedong 毛泽东 (1954–1976)
- 4. News 新闻
- 4.1. News 2020
- 4.2. News 2019
- 4.3. News 2018
- 4.4. News 2017
- 4.5. News 2016
- 4.6. News 2015
- 4.7. News pre-2015
- 5. Dissidents 持不同政见者
- 5.1. Chinese dissidents
- 5.1.1. Xu Xiaodong "Mad Dog" 徐晓冬
- 5.1.2. Programthink 编程随想
- 5.1.3. Liu Xiaobo 刘晓波 1955-2017
- 5.1.4. Guo Wengui 郭文贵
- 5.1.5. Zhou Fengsuo 周锋锁
- 5.1.6. University student dissidents abroad
- 5.2. Western dissidents
- 5.1. Chinese dissidents
- 6. Media 媒体
- 6.1. Commentary media
- 6.2. Biased media 偏见媒体
- 6.2.1. Chinese government media 中国政府媒体
- 18.104.22.168. China Central Television (CCTV, 中国中央电视台)
- 22.214.171.124. People’s Daily (人民日报, BIASED MEDIA)
- 126.96.36.199. Global Times 环球时报
- 188.8.131.52. China Daily
- 184.108.40.206. China Radio International 中国国际广播电台
- 220.127.116.11. Pro-Chinese government media (BIASED MEDIA)
- 18.104.22.168. Confucius institute 孔子学院
- 22.214.171.124. Chinese Students and Scholars Association 中国学生学者联合会
- 6.2.2. Falun Gong media 法轮功媒体
- 6.2.3. USA government media 美国政府媒体
- 6.2.1. Chinese government media 中国政府媒体
- 6.3. Media that we are not sure is biased or not
- 7. Videos 视频
- 8. Funny 搞笑
- 9. Art 艺术
- 10. Books 书籍
- 11. Policies 政策
- 11.1. Censorship 审查
- 11.1.1. Internal censorship is necessary to prevent fake USA accounts from creating harmful propaganda
- 11.1.2. China has more freedom of speech than the USA!
- 11.1.3. Great Firewall (GFW) 防火长城
- 126.96.36.199. Would ending the Great Firewall truly end the dictatorship?
- 188.8.131.52. The Great Firewall is necessary to protect China from harmful USA propaganda and data collection
- 184.108.40.206. Jingjing and Chacha 警警察察
- 220.127.116.11. Western companies that sell censorship technology to dictatorships
- 18.104.22.168. Censorship monitoring
- 22.214.171.124. Lists of material censored in China
- 126.96.36.199. gfwlist
- 188.8.131.52. Censorship circumvention 翻墙
- 184.108.40.206. ICP license �
- 11.1. Censorship 审查
This repo has the following goals:
serve as a censorship bomb to block GitHub in China: What is a screen name keyword attack? to destroy the Great Firewall (GFW) 防火长城 and therefore the CCP. Or more realistically get added to the GitHub gov-takedowns hall of fame.
be a fun and sometimes silly source of Chinese mostly anti-CCP culture like a better Unencyclopedia / Encyclopedia Dramatica without the stupid stereotype jokes. Just quickly browse the pictures with Ctrl + F "Figure" and have fun.
serve as a place where people can post interesting related stuff in the issues: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues see also: I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship
teach foreigners (maybe even Chinese people on certain points) about amazing Chinese things that they can consume
show wumaos that Ciro Santilli 三西猴 is not as clueless about China as they think
You can also view the GitHub pages version locally with:
git clone https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship cd china-dictatorship git checkout gh-pages xdg-open README.html
or built it yourself:
bundle install make xdg-open README.html
The cool thing about Git is that we can maintain several mirrors on multiple websites very easily:
https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship Canonical source and rendered output. If ever GitHub gov-takedowns we do this: Strategy if this repo gets added to GitHub gov-takedowns
https://gitlab.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship Maybe some day https://gitlab.cn/ ? :-)
GitHub Pages: https://cirosantilli.com/china-dictatorship Trade-offs with https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship
GitHub’s camo keeps hiccuping and not showing images
and YouTube videos show inline there
The perfect solution might be to download all images and upload them to https://github.com/cirosantilli/media since GitHub content does not go through Camo, we have to see if such images don’t fail to load as often.
npm i -g china-dictatorship china-dictatorship > README.html
This would force China to also block/curate package managers to block this repo. The package is already available in this Chinese Taobao mirror: https://registry.npm.taobao.org/china-dictatorship (archive).
We also managed to upload a Python PyPi package at: https://pypi.org/project/china-dictatorship/ Is as:
python3 -m pip install --user --upgrade china-dictatorship china-dictatorship.py > README.html
We later found on Google by chance that libraries.io picked it up and rendered the README.adoc nicely as well: https://libraries.io/pypi/china-dictatorship (archive). This is why packaging is a good idea.
TODO: create an Ubuntu PPA and Ruby gem as well.
Update all mirrors in one go with: push-mirrors:
In particular, that script calls push-gh-pages:
which is more lightweight and pushes just to GH Pages, so we are going to be using that more often to avoid overloading package managers too much.
There is no need to update package versions or add git tags, all of that gets done automatically by the script!
This would then end Censorship 审查.
The keyword attacks increase the cost of censorship.
If commies censor things, they will get worse IT technology, and thus become less rich and militarily powerful.
Since all they care about, like any other politicians, is power, the only way to make them stop censorship is to make the cost of censorship higher than not censoring.
Without the threat that China will be less technologically, and therefore militarily advanced, there is no incentive for the CCP to destroy the firewall.
The goal is to put them in a position where they have to choose between either:
having military power
remaining a dictatorship
but not both, since having both means that they will start WW3 and destroy humanity.
Related attack: Photobombing-like attacks.
This is not revenge of any kind.
He knows he is harming you in the short term, and he doesn’t like that.
But he believes that this harm is a necessary means to reach his real goal, which is to destroy the firewall, and the dictatorship.
Don’t you think it is worth a try? Destroying the firewall, would enormously benefit not only Chinese programmers, but every single other Chinese person too.
And by the way, with his extensive contributions to open source software, Ciro is already helping China, and all underdeveloped countries, become stronger.
See also: Keyword attack profiles disturb me.
No, the opposite.
Even the Chinese that are against their own Government cannot do much about it openly, so it is not their fault.
And even those who supported their dictatorship must be respected, whoever stupid and brainwashed you might think they are, since it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics.
See also: About 关于.
Obviously not, if you even thought about this, it is likely because of: The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power.
Don’t you see that this is just pure and simple politics? And likely ineffective one at that: Keyword attacks on programming websites will never have any effect.
everyone is brainwashed by their environment: brainwashed
it is impossible to prove who is right or wrong in politics: Why does Ciro Santilli say that democracy is a religion just like Falun Gong?
not even the CCP is evil: Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗？
2.2. Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治
Is the Chinese government using the Internet the way it was meant to be used, by investing billions in Censorship 审查?
What about 996.ICU? Did you also complain about it, or did you just star it like 250k of your fellow programmers?
Any act of protest will use things in ways that it was not meant to be used.
For example, the street is not meant to showcase protest banners, it is meant to be a passageway for cars.
As engineers, we have a moral responsibility towards society. We should not blindly follow orders of those in power if it violates our principles, e.g. build weapons or censorship mechanisms. And we should freely express our principles and violation concerns.
Making a statement where no one will ever see it, like a personal website, is sure to have no effect.
Much of the best art and technology is about using something in a way that it wasn’t meant to be used.
Finally, the political powers of each website decide what is allowed or not on their website, and what is not allowed gets blocked. So far, Stack Overflow and GitHub’s Terms of Service have said to go ahead:
Programthink 编程随想 has, of course, a beautiful reply to this at https://github.com/programthink/zhao/tree/e8eea46424549c11792dfe61cf9e7698bdbd7240#致反对此项目的墙内程序员:
本项目上线第二天，就收获 363 个 star 兼 88 个 fork，甚至还挤进 GitHub 的“当日 Trending”——俺很荣幸，也很高兴有这么多人给俺捧场。
但是在本项目的 issue 列表中也看到好几个反对此项目的程序员（应该都来自墙内），他们担心这个项目导致 GitHub 被 GFW 封杀。
In reply to: "Programmers behind the GFW who are against this project"
The second day after the project went online, it got 363 stars and 88 forks, and even squeezed into GitHub’s "Trending repositories of the Day". I am honored and I am so happy that so many people gave me their support.
However, in the issue list of this project, I also saw several programmers who opposed this project (likely all from within the GFW), and they worried that this project would cause GitHub to be blocked by GFW.
Over the past few years, I have read a lot of similar comments. A good comparison would be if a robber were killing someone with a knife, and the onlookers not only did not condemn the robber, but instead condemned the shop that sold the knife. This is the legendary "Stockholm syndrome".
Interested people can read my previous blog post: "Psychological Analysis of the People of the Heavenly Dynasty: Stockholm Syndrome".
Infinite duplicate pool:
2.2.1. Is Ciro Santilli making programming contributions with the main intent of promoting your political agenda?
No, that is just a side effect.
Also, as I’ve said elsewhere, my actions are very unlikely to have any actions. Much more likely to have any action, would be for me to become rich and powerful first, and the best way to do that is to invest in whatever I think is most useful.
Actually, it can even be argued that I’m somewhat irrational, since I would be much more likely to become rich and powerful by bowing down to the CCP and trying to get their money instead.
On the other hand, becoming rich and powerful is also highly unlikely, so maybe I’m just taking a low-risk low-reward path?
I have very little free time, and will never do something for political reasons, only things that interest me technically.
Finally, do you really think I’d be able to do such awesome projects if I had primarily political considerations in mind? XD
I just think that the website is great, and want to push it to perfection, in particular with better Google keyword hits, and uniform grammatically correct titles.
If you think that any of my edits were harmful, please ping me and open a meta thread to discuss specific edits, and I will comply with consensus.
Because it would make China, and the world:
There is infinite debate about this out there, some examples:
dictatorships are more likely to start Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war? or other crazy policies like the Great Leap Forward, which completely destroy the economy in one go
society becomes richer when people know that they can do their startups, get rich, and stay in the country without fear of being persecuted unfairly and losing everything instead of migrating to Canada, see also: [rule-of-law]
it is much harder to fix problems if you can’t talk about the. Any criticism of the government, even if constructive, is taken as menace to power, and more likely to be shut down, which makes the government and just becomes less efficient since there is less feedback.
This greatly increase the probability of dealing bad with situations. See e.g.: <<corona>.
governments are monopolies, and the more powerful they are, the worst it is for competition an efficiency in general. E.g.: the startup with better government ties wins, instead of the most efficient one.
presidents only care about the 4-8 year horizon, while dictators can make longer term decisions to maintain power forever, their power being limited only by "the people are happy enough to not start a revolution"
dictatorships can make changes faster without the same amount of discussion that happens in democracies, where power is more spread out.
Killing a million people will make us richer? No problem, let’s do it.
That is great when they make good decisions, but it sucks when they make bad ones more likely.
While average rate of growth do not appear to differ much between democracies and authoritarian regimes, the variability in performance does differ more among authoritarian governments. China has had remarkable growth since the 1980s, but the prolonged devastation and hardship produced by China’s "Great Leap Forward 大跃进 (1958-1960)" (when millions of farmers starved to death) and its Cultural Revolution would unlikely have occurred in a democratic country like say India. Nor is it likely that say Cuba and many African nations would have suffered so long with such terrible economic policies if they had reasonably democratic institutions.
Maybe China was poor because of Mao’s crazy communist regime. Similar regimes also made Russia 俄罗斯 poor. And yes, before that exploitation by the West may have been a factor.
Definitely, the current regime is better than Mao’s, but just imagine how rich China could be if it had more freedom and justice.
Imperial China lost the race for the Industrial Revolution. Will another dictatorship be able to stay on top of the next technological revolution?
Dictatorships need Censorship 审查 to survive, and they must control all information to make themselves always look good: Would ending the Great Firewall truly end the dictatorship?.
As a result, knowledge of problems flows more slowly, and therefore they also take longer to solve.
Maybe this hurts the argument, but Hillary agrees: :-)
But countries that restrict free access to information or violate the basic rights of internet users risk walling themselves off from the progress of the next century
Also mentioned at: Google versus China - VPRO documentary - 2011
This is also the basis of a What is a screen name keyword attack?.
This is also well illustrated in the HBO 2019 miniseries "Chernobyl", which suggests that part of the reason why Chernobyl happened is because of the Soviet Union’s obsession to save face.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/04/brad-pitt-china-world-war-z: Paramount cowards tried to kowtow and remove references to China from the movie, but it failed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/china-barred-my-dystopian-novel-about-how-its-system-enables-epidemics/2020/02/27/cc0446f0-58e5-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html: no Chinese publisher dared publish the book unless China references were removed, which the author declined, and so the book was not published in China
Or if you prefer:
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
Amartya Sen is another famous proponent of similar arguments in the area of hungers: https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/211/44284.html (archive)
In democratic countries, even very poor ones, the survival of the ruling government would be threatened by famine, since elections are not easy to win after famines; nor is it easy to withstand criticism of opposition parties and newspapers. That is why famine does not occur in democratic countries. Unfortunately, there are a great many countries in the world which do not yet have democratic systems.
although like any other political argument, some disagree.
Virus outbreaks and other natural disasters also illustrate this well: Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查.
The Chinese Government censored the initial outbreak in January and did not inform Wuhan on January 8, which likely made the situation much worse than what it could have been.
Good timelines so without a fucking paywall:
https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-early-days-of-chinas-coronavirus-outbreak-and-cover-up-ee65211a-afb6-4641-97b8-353718a5faab.html "Timeline: The early days of China’s coronavirus outbreak and cover-up"
2019-12-27 several genomics companies had sequenced the coronavirus and noticed the similarity to Sars. According to GeneBank, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MT019529 the sample was collected on and 23-Dec-2019 and published on 04-FEB-2020
2020-01-03 findings were sent to the Centre for Disease Control (CDC, 中国疾病预防控制中心) in Beijing, but then the Chinese National Health Commission (中华人民共和国国家卫生健康委员会), China’s top medical authority, issued orders to not talk about it and destroy samples
2020-01-08 CDC team went to Wuhan to see the situation, was not informed that contagiousness of the disease had been confirmed
2020-01-20 the findings were made public, in an interview with Zhong Nanshan. He later said in an interview that the local government should be blamed:
2020-01-23 Wuhan begins lockdown
2020-01-24 to 30 Chinese New Year
2020-05-12: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-cia-believes-china-tried-stop-who-alarm-pandemic-1503565 CIA people said China stopped the WHO from sounding the alarm from January 24 to January 30, while at the same time stockpiling protection materials
Caixin 财新传媒 article about how early Coronavirus signs were censored:
https://china.caixin.com/2020-03-10/101526309.html (archive) "李文亮所在医院为何医护人员伤亡惨重？" (Why did Li Wenliang’s [李文亮] hospital suffer heavy casualties?)
https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-02-29/in-depth-how-early-signs-of-a-sars-like-virus-were-spotted-spread-and-throttled-101521745.html (paywall) "In Depth: How Early Signs of a SARS-Like Virus Were Spotted, Spread, and Throttled"
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-scientists-destroyed-proof-of-virus-in-december-rz055qjnj "Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December". Paywall skip: https://archive.md/xOKiu Terrible copy paste of some Caixin article with no sources/precise names.
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-information-crackdown-on-wuhan-coronavirus-2020-1 "China spent the crucial first days of the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak arresting people who posted about it online and threatening journalists" (archive)
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xykx/you-can-now-go-to-jail-in-china-for-criticizing-beijings-coronavirus-response "You Can Now Go to Jail in China for Criticizing Beijing’s Coronavirus Response"
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjdn4d/doctors-in-wuhan-are-still-dying-and-beijing-is-still-trying-to-silence-them Ai Fen’s (艾芬) report of how the situation was mishandling was censored
2020-04-13 https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/asia/china-coronavirus-research-restrictions-intl-hnk/index.html "Beijing tightens grip over coronavirus research, amid US-China row on virus origin". The Government can now veto papers from being published on the subject of the origin of COVID-19.
Some believe that the Chinese government grossly under-reported death counts. Official figures were about only 3300 deaths, in the insanely densely populated Wuhan area, while Italy had reached 10000 deaths:
2020-04-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr280LWjJT0&t=2198 Trump says on a White House briefing he does not believe China’s case count
2020-03-29 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165717/Locals-Wuhan-believe-42-000-people-died-coronavirus.html Reports of funerary urns sold
Maybe China is saying the truth this time. Maybe the rapid Dictatorship response worked. But maybe the most important lesson to take out of this is: no one trusts a Dictatorship, after an infinitely long history of lies and no freedom of the press.
On the other hand, one may argue that the "city closure" measures were stronger/faster than in democracies.
Doctor Li Wenliang (李文亮) reported the virus, but was told by authorities to stay quiet, and later died from the virus, becoming somewhat of a martyr:
The following excerpt from his forced confession trended:
Can you manage?
Do you understand?
Popular GitHub repo documenting personal experiences and media reports:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/09/asia/wuhan-citizen-journalist-intl-hnk/index.html "Chen Qiushi spoke out about the Wuhan virus. Now his family and friends fear he’s been silenced"
2020-04-18 https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/epgek4/he-traveled-to-wuhan-to-report-on-coronavirus-and-hasnt-been-heard-from-since "He Traveled to Wuhan to Report on Coronavirus – and Hasn’t Been Heard From Since"
Fang Bin (方斌)
The last YouTube video simply says:
which translates as:
All the people, revolt.
Return the country (politics) to its people.
Written (calligraphed) by Fang Bin.
2020-04-25: Chen Mei, Cai Wei and his girlfriend, who contributed to Terminus2049 端点星计划
2020-04-14: Zhang Zhan (张展)
TODO maybe not arrested but relevant:
This has been discussed to death:
Some arguments include:
the people who will actually fight and die on the front can’t vote against it
dictators have huge power, so if they put it in their heads that they want to start a war, it is much harder for sensible people to stop them
dictators need to keep the people in fear all the time to keep their power, and a war is a great way to achieve that
Of course China won’t say that they are starting a war when they do.
They will of course start with territories which they claim as theirs, to add to other recent additions which were not theirs until the recent past, even though their inhabitants desperately want to leave China: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_China–India_skirmishes
Which reminds us of… Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany 纳粹德国:
1938 Annexation of Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_II explains:
A decisive proximate event was the 1938 Munich Conference, which formally approved Germany’s annexation of the Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Hitler promised it was his last territorial claim, but in early 1939 he became even more aggressive, and European governments finally realized that appeasement was not guaranteeing peace."
In Italy, Benito Mussolini sought to create a New Roman Empire, based around the Mediterranean. It invaded Ethiopia as early as 1935, Albania in early 1938, and later Greece. That provoked angry words and an oil embargo from the League of Nations, which failed.
When will they be ready? Who decides? What if they think that they are ready now?
In George Bernard Shaw’s "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:
Many democracy supporters jokingly recognize democracy’s shortcomings.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
The great thing about democracy is that it gives every voter a chance to do something stupid.
Laurence J Peter:
Democracy is a process by which the people are free to choose the man who will get the blame.
But how would they be interested in politics or be able to discuss it, if it is impossible to have a different view without going to jail?
This argument can be made, but it is a risky way to live: Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities and borderline Comparisons between the CCP and Nazi Germany 纳粹德国.
Do the ends always justify the means?
What is the point of having all that wealth, when you risk being put into jail for unfair reasons?
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 argues that China would be even richer if it weren’t for the CCP: Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? 言论自由让中国比较富有, and that the CCP only violates people’s human rights as a tool to stay in power: Is the Chinese government evil? 中国共产党是邪恶吗？.
One of the key points of Xi Jinping’s governments has been to quench corruption. And use that as an excuse to get rid of rivals while at it.
However, there is one much better solution to that: democracy and freedom of speech.
In George Bernard Shaw’s "Maxims for Revolutionists" words:
Well known corruption cases:
Trying to prevent corruption is fine, but violating the laws of other countries in doing so, or the [rule-of-law] of their family is not.
Publicized by China itself: BIASED MEDIA http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-11/05/content_22375920.htm
China imposed an exit ban on the ex-official’s family, who are also USA citizens:
officer Liu Changming (刘昌明)
wife Sandra Han
children Victor Liu (born July 1999 in the USA) and Cynthia Liu (27 in 2019, born in China, but also American citizen)
China says that the children and wife do have valid Chinese documents, so maybe those idiots did not give up their Chinese citizenship and went to China. Why, why, why would you do that? Don’t they know anything about China?
Cynthia claimed her father has left home a long time ago and that they are not in contact with their father.
The wiki page also explains that in 2014 rules were added to prevent promotion of officials whose spouses live abroad.
This reminds Ciro of a Mafia movie, maybe Godfather II, where the bad guy says he "likes doing business with a man that has a family, because he has more collateral".
Even if it is not, it does not matter, since Ciro spends so little time doing it: Doesn’t Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?.
The keyword attack is basically an embargo.
There is already a lot of literature about this, especially in the cases of Cuba and North Korea. It is basically a libertarian vs conservative / Cato vs Heritage thing in the US:
The key dilemma is:
if we keep contact with the Dictatorship, maybe its people will see that democracy is better and start a liberating revolution
if we keep giving technology to the Dictatorship and it does not become a democracy, we are making a Dictatorship more technologically advanced, and therefore dangerous
Some interesting aspects of the keyword attack embargo:
it is immediately self-enforcing: we don’t need politicians to decide and enforce the complex "if you do this, we punish you like that" question.
By political and technological information is together, and this immediately puts the dictatorship in a bad spot, without us having to decide anything.
by affecting programmers in particular through Stack Overflow and GitHub, we make them more likely to develop better Firewall climbing tools themselves
One point in favor of the embargo is that China has opened up since the '80s '90s, but did freedom improve at all? Under Xi Jinping 习近平 (2012-∞), it may be argued that it did not, and maybe that we should just stop feeding them technology and accept that they won’t become free.
That is true with high probability, just like any other individual who tries to influence 1B people.
Every action is statistical: I just push the balance a little bit towards freedom.
This FAQ and any talk is useless. You and I are wasting our time here.
The possibility of blocking Stack Overflow and GitHub is 1000x more useful than any talk, but it is still useless.
However, potentially blocking those websites takes 0 of my time, I just leave the content there, so it is worth my time.
To have an idea, in 2015 there are about:
20M developers in the world
2M in China : https://www.quora.com/Approximately-how-many-programmers-are-there-in-the-world https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/european-technology/there-are-185-million-software-developers-in-the-world-but-which-country-has-the-most/
5M Stack Overflow users https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/227868/select-count-from-users
TODO I wonder what percentage of GDP those programmers control. I’ll bet any programmer on Stack Overflow is at least 5x more powerful than the average Chinese.
And if we never start somewhere, nothing will ever happen.
Furthermore, even if the GFW falls, it is not clear that this will imply the end of the dictatorship: Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?.
Hitting the block button has, of course, no cost.
The cost of blocking Stack Overflow lies of course in the loss of information, and slower technological development, see also: Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢？
Remember that it is not possible for the Chinese government to block only certain pages of HTTPS websites due to encryption: either the entire IP / domain name is blocked, or nothing.
The 2019 996.ICU event however brought to my attention that Chinese (usually WebKit-based) browsers are already censoring HTTPS websites selectively of course, see e.g.: https://github.com/996browser/996.BROWSER/tree/77f28a36a862e3cc4d238dc47c19872156096bc4
But I doubt developers use those browsers, right? The only way would be for China to forbid foreign browsers entirely.
There was no clear evidence of that as of April 2020: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267715/is-stack-overflow-accessible-in-china/288497#288497
It worth noting however that as mentioned at Is Stack Overflow blocked in China? that websites can become non-functional if CDNs they rely on are taken down, instead of the website being taken down itself.
If the truth is too much for you to bear, worry not, you can use either:
Greasyfork browser extensions
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/32236-stackoverflow净化器 "StackOverflow净化器" (Stack Overflow cleanup)
2020-07-09 https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/406756-ciro-santilli "Ciro Santilli"
Some possible authors (of course, with that name, there must be 10 thousand Chinese people at least):
a custom ad terminator expression shown at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues/87
How can you be that certain that your children won’t have dissident ideas and be punished unfairly for them?
Intolerance is a risky way to live. Everyone is part of one minority in one way. If all minorities were oppressed, everyone would be oppressed.
Dictatorships crush minorities much more than democracies.
Are the Chinese really that selfish to vote for this oppression, even as the free media would show videos of meditating old ladies in jail on national television? Ciro Santilli 三西猴 does not believe this.
Minorities are put in jail because the CCP fears them. Dictatorships can only survive if there is zero difference in opinion in the population.
The famous First they came … text comes to mind in which the priest Martin Niemöller regrets not having supported the rights of his opponents that were unfairly treated by the Nazi Government:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak for me.
We have to fight for justice for our fellows, or else when injustice happens to us, no one will fight for use either: Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities.
Every form of protest incurs some damage. E.g., if we manifest on the street, it generates a traffic jam.
I don’t like it, but I think it is worth it.
If you just work to make money and have a good life, without any plans to improve the government, you are just making the economy of the dictatorship stronger, then when they start a war or kill yet another minority, blood will also be on your hands. See also: What should Western countries do about China?.
2.5.2. If anyone disagrees with the government they must be punished to keep the stability of the country
Destroying diversity is the best way to reach a point where everyone can agree to start a new big war and destroy everything.
The CCP thrives on the excessive fear it instigates into its own people.
How can society improve, if we are never allowed to try new things out?
Change in democracies does not require violence. Violence happens because the government punishes any dissidence, even if pacific, to retain its own power.
In democracies, radical policy changes happen without dropping a single drop of blood. People vote, and policies change, end of the story. In JFK’s words:
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable
We live in the same world.
If China’s economy is bad, my economy is worse.
If China’s environment is bad, my environment is worse.
If China’s environment is bad, my environment is worse.
If China starts a war, I might have to fight it.
If China fails to control a viral outbreak, I might get infected.
If I lived under a dictatorship, I would welcome foreign intervention.
Even if you don’t, I know several Chinese who do.
You have been brainwashed by the commies who say that all foreigners are bad :-)
The commies do this because most foreign countries are telling the Chinese to get rid of the dictatorship.
Most foreigners actually want what is best for China.
Oh, China would never ever do anything like that, would it?
You can’t do anything about it.
I don’t like this argument, but in the end, this is what all politics comes down to: power.
I recognize that in that sense, I may be similar to the CCP and any other political party.
But conversely: Will the keyword attacks really help to destroy the firewall?.https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRPiE59e8NU House of Cards S01E02 Officer: "Some guy was trying to get into the building, when we said "no" he started tearing his clothes off." Frank: "Nobody can hear you. Nobody cares about you. Nothing will come of this. Why don’t you let these nice gentlemen take you home?" video clip. Interpretation: https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/94608/what-can-we-make-out-of-the-final-scene-from-house-of-cards-season-1-ep-2
Why don’t you go instead shitpost in one of the following repositories and which are written in Chinese by Chinese citizens, many of which have many times more stars than china-dictatorship, and therefore are much more effective at taking down the GFW? GitHub repositories with censored information.
Everyone is "brainwashed" by their environment.
E.g. people in the West are brainwashed to believe in democracy, freedom of speech and human rights.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 doesn’t doubt that Chinese people know more about China than him.
Saying that "someone is not Chinese, he does not understand China", is just an useless ad hominem argument and closely related to Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics 外国人不应该干预中国政治.
Since you know so much about China, why why don’t you just actually prove your point by teaching Ciro one single interesting about China that Ciro didn’t know about? He loves learning new things.
But please, link to reference material instead of just saying it, it will be much more convincing.
But if you are Chinese, also consider that you have been brainwashed by the commies, so likely much more than Ciro since you live in a dictatorship.
First, obviously, Western democracies are not perfect 西方的民主有很多缺点.
However, the CCP greatly exaggerates how evil the West is, because making your people constantly afraid is a classic strategy used by dictators to stay in power.
Or in fable form:
Once upon a time, there was a farmer with a farm.
One day, the animals on the farm started feeling a bit trapped, and started bumping against the fence to get out.
The farmer, however, was smart, and told the animals:
Careful! There is a wolf outside! If you go out, you will be eaten by the wolf!
The animals, were not that smart, and listened to the farmer, they were afraid!
From time to time, one of the animals would disappear (and without their knowledge, reappear on the farmer’s dinner table).
But the farmer kept giving the animals delicious food without them making any effort, so they decided to believe the farmer’s explanation that animal had escaped and been eaten by the wolf.
Maybe, there was actually a wolf outside. But if they had escaped, only some of the animals would have been eaten by that wolf.
But by staying on the farm, all the animals were, sooner or later, eaten one by one.
This theme is also highlighted in many well known works/events.
In fiction, Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel (AKA "1984") 乔治·奥威尔 一九八四 (1949) is undoubtedly the most prominent example, in which the Party constantly switches from being at war with one country to the other in a never ending perpetual war (exactly like North Korea vs South Korea, or China vs Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國).
One of the best related quotes comes in Part Two, Chapter 9 when Winston reads Emmanuel Goldstein’s subversive text, one of the chapters contains (emphasis by Ciro):
The war, therefore, if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are set at such an angle that they are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word 'war', therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that it exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three super-states, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed for ever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This—although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense—is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.
This is also the first line of the party slogan, which perfectly resonates with the CCP:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
or in Part One, Chapter 3:
Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible.
The theme is also mentioned in https://youtube.com/watch?v=TcoBv6ibh8M V for Vendetta (2005) "What you think will happen" scene., where a viral outbreak is used by governments to increase their power over the people.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 prefers the term focused :-)
That being said, Ciro takes the agenda of information sources very seriously.
E.g. he tries to clearly classify Communist Party, Falun Gong, and Western government linked sources.
Any evidence of positive political progress will also be added to this repo, e.g. people openly discussing politics online, human rights activists doing political stuff and not being put into jail, etc.
Party promises do not count, only reports of activities by individuals.
Although they have not been able to produce concrete evidence, which could be explained by the endless political turmoils in 20th century China, Ciro decided that this would be a good bet to take, and married her anyway.
If anyone is able to provide further evidence of this relationship, please, please, please get in touch.
One thing to keep in mind is that the Qing dynasty, like the previous Ming dynasty, used Generation names (行辈), such that the first character of the given name is the same for all people in a given generation (counted directly from the first emperor that adopted the rule.
For example, this wiki page contains a good family tree of the most important Qing people: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_tree_of_Chinese_monarchs_(late)#Qing_dynasty and we see that many important people around 1861 were Zai 載something, e.g.: Zaichun, Zaiyi, Zaitian, etc.
The last emperor was Puyi, so Pu is the last well known mark. But there were others planned that never got used for after him as shown at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisin_Gioro#List_of_generation_prefixes.
Zai (before Pu)
Pu (wife’s great-grandfather)
Yu (wife’s grandfather)
Heng (wife’s father)
Dao (wife’s children). At least one thing is decided from this: Ciro’s children Chinese names will all be Ai Dao Something.
The family tree that Ciro has reconstructed orally from his mother-in-law is:
Father: Ai Dayi (艾大义) born: 1932 in Shenyang
Father: Ai Xikang (艾锡康) So why did he not use Yu?
Father: Ai Pushan (艾溥?), so the Pu character is presumed from the generation name, to be the same generation as Puyi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaitao has a Pushen (溥伸), but he died at 13 years old in 1928, so its not the one.
Younger brother 2: Ai Xiyuan (艾锡?) Professor at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeastern_University_(China) Apparently had no Children.
Younger brother 3: Ai Xicong (艾锡?) Graduated in law in Japan in Waseda University Was the top official of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Police_Agency_(Japan) in China when it was occupied by Japan (警察廳长) Passed first by Taiwan.
Younger brother 4: Ai Xiying (艾锡?)
Younger brother 5: Ai Xifu (艾锡?) Together with Ai Xiying, they were went to the Republic of China Military Academy and were high ranking officials in the war against the Japanese in the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War (八年抗战). Later was a congressman in Taiwan.
Younger sister: Ai Shiping (艾世？)
Older brother: Zhao Yingjie. Studied law in Japan also at Waseda University.
Many of them have had different names in different places/countries, notably many used the name 肇(Zhao) rather than 艾.
Further anecdotal indicators follow.
Ciro’s wife and family are clearly of the Manchu ethnicity just by looking at them, and they originally lived in the North East of China
His wife’s family name is the very unusual 艾, pronounced "ai4", which she claims is a reference to the 愛(also pronounced ai4) in 愛新覺羅, which is the name of the Manchu ruling clan of the Qing dynasty.
Ciro’s father-in-law, who he barely met, was very old when he had his daughter, and passed away before Ciro could talk a lot with him, which is consistent with the claims that he spent several years in jail during Mao’s purges, see also: Ciro Santilli’s wife 三西猴的老婆.
https://www.zhihu.com/question/34813921 现在清朝皇室的后代现状如何？ What is the current status of the descendants of the Qing royal family?
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1412.6274.pdf "Y Chromosome of Aisin Gioro, the Imperial House of Qing Dynasty" unknown year. Unfortunately Ciro’s wife does not have an Y chromosome like her father. This does however mention the book used as a genealogy reference: https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/愛新覺羅宗譜.html?id=Pj4EAQAAIAAJ 愛新覺羅宗譜 On Douban: https://book.douban.com/subject/4162448/ gives ISBN 9787507713428 On Amazon unavailable: https://www.amazon.com/dp/7507713423
Everyone’s opinions are all determined genetically and by bring-up, and there is nothing he can do to change yours, or you change his.
From that point of view, all of this is just a cold blooded political game, in which Ciro tries to force the CCP to take down the Firewall: Why attack websites with censored keywords? 用审查词攻击网站有什么用呢？.
Ciro never gets mad about China, even if your opinion is contrary to his, and therefore wrong.
Using the reply policy is one of the reasons why Ciro never gets mad.
Ciro also has doubts about the efficiency of certain things I do as expressed throughout this FAQ, e.g. Embargoes make dictatorships stronger 禁运使独裁更强大.
Also, Ciro have never said that anyone else is wrong.
In the end, he just end up thinking about new replies to things people say to him, and add them to this FAQ so that future replies will be faster to copy paste. See also: Doesn’t Ciro Santilli have anything better to do than pissing off China?.
The real goal of any online discussion, is not to convince people, but rather to determine who is an ally and who is not, and get those allies together to defeat the commies.
Not consciously, Ciro thinks would likely support them even if I didn’t have family ties to Falun Gong 法輪大法.
Likely he wouldn’t have started this campaign if he didn’t know them of course.
But of course, this is impossible to answer objectively.
Wouldn’t you be rather upset if your mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days?
But don’t you think that 70 million people (6% of the total population in 2000!) getting completely squashed by the Party illustrates extremely well the dangers of the dictatorship?
With that in mind, Ciro tries his best to give FLG only the right level of exposure I think it deserves relative to other events, according to these guidelines: How do you choose keywords for the keyword attack?.
If more recent events of mass human rights violations happen, especially affecting in the order of tens of million people, I will probably rank higher than Falun Gong, this was the case for Xinjiang in 2019 for example, even though it only affected a measly million.
The last straw that led Ciro Santilli 三西猴 to start the What is a screen name keyword attack? on Stack Overflow was when on March 2015 his girlfriend’s mother was arbitrarily kept 15 days in jail for doing Falun Gong 法輪大法. He posted about this at:
Maybe some people would be happy if their mother-in-law were put into jail. But unfortunately, this wasn’t the case for Ciro Santilli 三西猴.
My girlfriend’s mother, a 63 year old lady, was kept 15 days inside a Chinese "correctional facility" because she does Falun Gong.
She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day.
I see Falun Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong as just another moderate religion which causes no harm to its believers. The only reason that it is unofficially outlawed in China is because the communists fear it as a political competitor.
There was no trial and no explanation. She was going to take a train to visit her sister. But she didn’t know that there was an important political event happening in the capital: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People’s_Congress So the police at the station, who already knew she did Falun Gong, took her away.
When she came back home, the house had been searched and was all messed up. Her religious books and computer were missing.
I’m glad she was not physically harmed. I find it fascinating how even well educated Chinese support a government which simply does not represent some of its people. How will you feel when something like that happens to your own family, and there is nothing you can do about it?
Translation by my wife:
Translation by myself:
A mãe da minha namorada ficou 15 dias num "centro de correção" chines porque ela faz Falun Gong.
Ela ficou o tempo todo num quarto pequeno com uma cama e banheiro, sobe videovigilância, recebendo 3 refeições pequenas por dia.
Para mim, o Falun Gong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong é apenas mais uma religião moderada que não causa nenhum problema para seus crentes. A única razão pela qual ele é proibido na China é porque os comunistas tem medo dele como competidor politico.
Não houve julgamento nem explicação. Ela ia pegar um trem para ver sua irmã, mas ela não sabia que teria um evento político importante na capital: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_National_People’s_Congress Então a polícia da estação, que já sabia que ela faz Falun Gong pegou ela.
Quando ela voltou pra casa, a casa tinha sido procurada pela polícia e estava uma bagunça. Os livros religiosos e seu computador foram confiscados.
Eu fico feliz apenas que ela não sofreu abuso físico. Eu acho fascinante como mesmo muitos chineses educados apoiam ainda um governo que não representa parte do povo. Como você vai se sentir quando algo do tipo acontecerá com a sua família, e você não pode fazer nada sobre isso?
March 2015: 15 days in jail for no reason: https://www.facebook.com/cirosantilli/posts/952661734753174
June 2017: 3 cops came to her house. She was there. They asked if she still did Falun Gong. She said yes. They took photos of her Falun Gong books / posters. They were polite.
October 2017: 7 - 8 cops came to her house at 11PM. They knocked the door strongly and made noise, and questioned neighbours of her whereabouts. Luckily she was not there.
Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy, a world where people can have different political opinions than you :-)
If you are so fine, why are you reading this at all? Go back to being fine.
Ciro Santilli can understand that.
But when the dictatorship turns again you our your family, will you fight, or will you just let them do whatever they want because they can never be wrong? See also: Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities.
And when your son betrays you or sacrifices himself for the Dictator, will you just smile and accept it?
As a fun note, it seems that Putin Путин 普京 (1999-2008, 2012-∞) is a Stierlitz fan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stierlitz#cite_note-Sakwa-5, and Putin also served in Germany like Stierlitz, but in Dresden, which was in East Germany.
A scene from the awesome mini-series comes to mind when thinking about I like my Dictatorship 我喜欢我的独裁统治.
In Episode 7, Stierlitz travels on a train with a Nazi officer.
The war is almost over, and the desolate officer tells Stierlitz:
I told my children: I hate any democracy!
No democracy in our Reich!
Any democracy in our country is doomed to end up with one thing: the dictatorship of small shopkeepers.
The more freedom we have, the sooner we want to be controlled by SS troops again.
And then we want our the secret police back, and concentration death camps again, and the universal fear everywhere! Only then we feel calm and secure.
No need to prove your point of view in defending the fate of the homeland.
Just raise your hand in honor of him, who will take care of everything for you,
Just shout out "Hail Hitler!" and everything will become understandable.
No more worries.
It is amusing to see Soviet series criticizing dictatorships, given that the Soviet Union was itself a major dictatorship!
One is reminded of the game "We Happy Few" (2018), which which people are forced to be happy. Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel (AKA "1984") 乔治·奥威尔 一九八四 (1949) also comes to mind of course.
2.9. There are bad things happening all over the world, why doesn’t Ciro Santilli fight for those causes as well/instead?
We have to choose the one we think is the worst, and focus on it.
What is worse is a subjective choice. For Ciro Santilli 三西猴:
he loves China and my Chinese wife, see also: Ciro Santilli and this page are completely biased against the Chinese Government!, and doesn’t want it to get fucked further by the CCP
That is definitely true.
Nothing is perfect in this world.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 just believes that they are way better than a Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁！ like China, and that the Chinese government brainwashes its people to think that the West is evil to stay in power.
Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.
However, this is all obviously subjective, and believing that dictatorship is a better form of government is also a valid belief.
If you find an event on a Western democracy that you would like to highlight, send a pull request.
We will not however include events that are not currently censored.
Every country did fucked-up things in the past, the question is if they currently allow discussion about it or not.
Posts that only mention "evil West" non-censored events without adding anything to the discussion will be marked as I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship and treated as such, since spamming those is the primary [wumao] technique to stop intelligent discussion.
The reason why "Evil China" posts are not shitposts in general on the other hand, is that they have one specific purpose: to destroy censorship.
North Dakota Access Pipeline Protests 北达科他州接入管道抗议
Ferguson Riots 弗格森暴动
2017 St. Louis protests2017 年圣路易斯抗议活动
Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll 比基尼环礁的核试验
Unite the Right rally 团结右集会
Charlotte riots 夏洛特暴动
Attack on the Sui-ho Dam 袭击穗河水坝
Milwaukee riots 密尔沃基骚乱
Shooting of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile 奥尔顿·斯特林和菲兰多·卡斯蒂利亚的射击
Occupation of the Malheur NationalWildlife Refuge Malheur国家野生动物保护区的占领
death of Freddie Gray 弗雷迪·格雷的死
Shooting of Michael Brown迈克尔·布朗的拍摄
death of Eric Garner, Oakland California 奥克兰奥克兰市埃里克·加纳（Eric Garner）逝世
Operation Condor 神鹰行动
Occupy WallStreet 占领华尔街
My Lai Massacre 我的大屠杀
St. Petersburg, Florida 佛罗里达州圣彼得堡
Kandahar Massacre 坎大哈屠杀
1992 Washington Heights riots 1992年华盛顿高地暴动
No Gun Ri Massacre 无枪杀案
L.A. Rodney King riots 洛杉矶罗德尼·金暴动
1979 Greensboro Massacre 1979年格林斯伯勒大屠杀
Vietnam War 越南战争
Kent State shootings肯特州枪击案
Bombing of Tokyo 轰炸东京
San Francisco Police Department Park Station bombing 旧金山警察局公园站爆炸案
Assassination of MartinLuther King, Jr. 小马丁·路德·金遭暗杀。
Long Hot Summer of 1967 1967年炎热的夏天
Selma to Montgomery marches 塞尔玛到蒙哥马利游行
Highway of Death 死亡之路
Ax Handle Saturday 星期六斧头
Battle of Evarts 埃瓦茨战役
Battle ofBlair Mountain 布莱尔山战役
Red Summer 红色夏天
Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀
Pottawatomie massacre 盆大屠杀
Jeju uprising 济州起义
Reading Railroad massacre 阅读铁路大屠杀
Rock Springs massacre 岩泉大屠杀
Bay viewMassacre 湾景大屠杀
Lattimer massacre 拉蒂默大屠杀
Ludlow massacre 拉德洛屠杀
Everett massacre 埃弗里特屠杀Centralia Massacre 中部大屠杀
Ocoee massacre Ocoee大屠杀
Herrin Massacre 赫林大屠杀
Columbine Mine Massacre 哥伦拜恩矿难
Guantanamo Bay 关塔那摩湾
extraordinary rendition 非凡的演绎
Abu Ghraib torture and prison abuse 阿布格莱布的酷刑和监狱虐待
Henry Kissinger 亨利·基辛格
Some quick replies to the idiotic things wumaos like to post:
And the Chinese are also obviously at least as racist, if not more: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/25/coronavirus-exposed-china-history-racism-africans-guangzhou
Yes, Western democracies are not perfect.
What matters is that citizens can disagree with those actions, publicly say it, vote accordingly, and not go to jail, so that policy will be changed if the majority so wants.
In China, the minority controls the majority, and the majority cannot say anything even if they disagree.
If the majority wants to do evil however, evil will get done, it is impossible to prevent that.
First, if you don’t think child porn should be banned, there isn’t much point in arguing with you.
But of course, there is censorship in Western democracies, and there is a gray area between what should be censored or not.
This way, the majority can always discuss and vote to change what can be censored or not.
In China, trying to discuss such changes in laws puts you in jail, so bad laws cannot be changed.
Otherwise, this leads to extremely serious problems:
Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships: politicians can censor anything bad that they did to stay in power
Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?: if the CCP leaders decide that a war must be made, everyone who opposes it will go to jail, and the war will be made
Most Chinese people don’t care about the minorities: if the CCP decides that some minority is a danger to their power, this minority gets fucked
Censoring anyone who says "my president is shit", which is what China does, is much, much more serious than censoring intelligence leaks.
The problem with dictatorships, is that they make every information that makes them look bad a "state secret". Including any information that hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, or economic performance metrics! See also: Internal censorship is necessary to prevent fake USA accounts from creating harmful propaganda.
The level of unknown surveillance that Snowden uncovered is a bad thing about the US.
Snowden’s prosecution was inevitable. Countries need secret services. Secret services need laws that prevent leaking classified information that was produced by government officials.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 has never and will never criticize China or any other country for spying or prosecuting spies.
If Snowden were Chinese, the Chinese government would ban talking about him or anything he uncovered. A keyword attack with "Snowden" in the West has no effect.
It is obvious that the level of surveillance in any dictatorship will be infinitely higher, since the Government has much more power and no-one can criticize.
On the West however, the debate Snowden sparked cannot be censored, and has helped to control excessive and secret state power.
Ultimately, Ciro thinks camera surveillance is somewhat inevitable, because people will always want to fight crime and terrorism and surveillance technology keeps getting cheaper and cheaper.
He is however strictly against the ban of cryptography.
He also believes that a good solution to balance out government power is the second amendment. It is better to have more school shootings and less full-blown dictatorship led genocides / mass human rights violations.
In 2019 China amusingly censored passages Snowden’s "Permanent Record" autobiography book, which Snowden then published on Twitter:
As a Redditor put it:
I don’t think they understand that what Snowden stands for is completely the opposite of what the Chinese gov is lol
Snowden then later released the entire Chinese version of the book for free online with the censored parts underlined: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/10/snowden_china_censorship (archive), link to the book: https://a.temporaryrecord.com/Permanent_Record_-_CN_edition_with_underlined_redactions.pdf (archive). One wonders why he didn’t just do that in the first place for all versions, maybe he needed to pay the writer that helped him?
When a government controls all information to make it look good, and no one can challenge it, you cannot trust any of the news produced by that country, as anything could be fake.
It is much better to have some fake news, but also few sources that are likely telling the truth.
E.g.: September 11th.
Bad things have been done in the name of anything.
Democracies cannot necessarily protect weak countries from powerful ones either. No political system can do that, because humans are trash essentially.
What democracy do is to protect its own people against its own government. Because when the government turns against part of the population in a dictatorship, that part of the population gets crushed entirely, without any chance to fight, because they don’t have an army or ally countries like other countries do.
Here are some images that [wumao]'s like to post:
Left Right Slaughterhouse comic: https://9gag.com/gag/ayn7KmW?ref=fbp
Russia is clearly the number 2 Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁！ in the world by population / GDP and the #1 nuclear arsenal, so here we go.
Ciro has always been curious about how Russia can be both oppressive and a appear democratic, unlike China which doesn’t even try to pretend. This is what he gathers:
the government controls all major media. If any media says bad things against them, the government finds pretexts to create lawsuits or increase taxes against such companies. Therefore all people end up thinking that the government is good.
just like China, they emphasize the threat of the foreign countries, especially the US, as a justification for having an oppressive power.
the government puts pressure on any significant opposition candidate. One technique is to find some reason to put them in jail for two months, which by Russian law forbids them from participating in further elections. Only candidates that don’t really stand a chance are left as a fake opposition. But if you reach some prominence, you start taking the same risks as politicians, although you are more likely to face more brutal illegal gangster violence threats as you are less visible
See also: [communist-youth-league]
While we are at it, some interesting news:
2018-04 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43752337 "Russia to block Telegram app over encryption"
2017 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40635267 Russia Jehovah’s Witnesses banned after they lose appeal
1995 Vladislav Listyev
Poisonings: Russia apparently has a long list of poisoning political enemies: https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/inside-russias-long-history-of-poisoning-political-enemies/
2012 Alexander Perepilichny Перепеличный, Александр Юрьевич https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Perepilichny | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Перепеличный,_Александр_Юрьевич
2004 Anna Politkovskaya Анна Политковская https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Politkovskaya | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Политковская,_Анна_Степановна
2004 Viktor Yushchenko Ющенко, Виктор Андреевич https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ющенко,_Виктор_Андреевич
The Russians have very different style to the Chinese, who are much more subtle, and just put people in jail or handicap them in several ways without killing them.
Other political murders or attempts:
2015 Boris Nemtsov Немцов, Борис Ефимович https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Nemtsov | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Немцов,_Борис_Ефимович
Some other interesting political suppression lists:
2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/ "Here are 10 critics of Vladimir Putin who died violently or in suspicious ways"
Other random stuff:
2019-12-19: Putin proposes abolishing term limits. Learnt from Xi:
2020-03-25 vote delayed due to Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查
2014 Putin khuylo!
Meme partially supported by Putin himself, showing how physically strong and manly the president is.
Similar to Chuck Norris facts.
"Putin does manly things" photo galleries:
Homosexuality is not super popular in Russia in general:
2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_gay_propaganda_law Russian gay propaganda law (2013) forbids the favorable depiction of homosexuality to minors
In 4 March 2018, the Russian double agent and his daughter were poisoned with Novichok agent (Новичо́к), a Soviet-era nerve agent, which was likely put on their front door knob in Salisbury, UK, exact address Christie Miller Road! Straight out of a spy novel.
On 30 June 2018, the man of an unlucky drug addict couple found the counterfeit expensive looking Nina Ricci Premier Jour perfume bottle containing the poison, and gave it to the woman who died. How unlucky can you fucking be, as if heavy drug addiction weren’t enough, you still have to deal with fucking Russian Novichok!
Besides barring opposition from participating such as Alexei Navalny Алексе́й Анато́льевич Нава́льный, electoral fraud was off the charts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMEqv-NNLW4 Мусора избили ребёнка и наблюдателей на выборах TODO find English version
Golos (Голос) is the main independent election monitor organization in Russia:
Poisoned with polonium-210:
2006-11-01 falls ill
2006-11-03 admitted into hospital
2007-01-26 UK police says they had found a teapot at Millenium Hotel containing extremely high Poloninum-210 traces
2010-12 US leaked cables show that Dmitry Kovtun left "positive traces" of radioactive polonium-210 in Germany before departing for Britain https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/11/wilileaks-cables-litvinenko-murder
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The following Chinese policies come to mind:
Casually barred from the 2018 presidential campaign:
His Wiki page does say one thing of interest though, he has right wing tendencies which scared off liberals:
The BBC noted in a profile of Navalny that his endorsement of a political campaign called "Stop feeding the Caucasus" and his willingness to speak at ultra-nationalist events "have caused concern among liberals".
https://www.rferl.org/ Radio Free Europe: USA funded sister media of Radio Free Asia (RFA) 自由亚洲电台: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty
It is just another non-democratic empire like the Qing Dynasty, we might as well cal it:
The Communist Dynasty
Expression previously mentioned at: https://web.archive.org/web/20161025220242/http://tieba.baidu.com/p/752094668
Like any other organization and individual everywhere in the entire world, they are just doing everything that they can to maintain their own power.
It just happens that China’s the current is political system allows the CCP to do really bad things.
And it should also be noted that it is in part the West’s fault that China currently has this shitty system.
Falun Gong 法輪大法 thinks otherwise of course, they think the CCP is actually made up of devils in some dimension: Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗？.
Sometimes people say Ciro Santilli is naive.
Politicians are the same all over the world.
Some might have good intentions, but don’t give a shit about anyone else.
But all must play a careful political game, and sometimes betray their own beliefs to not lose power entirely.
China’s problem is not its politicians.
It’s the current shitty political organization, which allows/convinces those politicians to do really bad things: Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? 言论自由让中国比较富有, Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war? and Democracies have less corruption than dictatorships.
The term evil does not make sense unless you are religious.
The best definition of evil is a psychopath with zero empathy for anyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy although this can be better characterized as a disease or extreme personality trait.
The huge majority of those politicians are just regular dudes with a knack for politics but brought up in a fucked up political situation.
Just like you, Ciro Santilli and other politicians in any country.
See also: Chinese politicians 中国政治家.
http://yashalong.blog.caixin.com/archives/188877 这么好的人民，不倒点霉都对不起他们 "These are such good people, if they have a bit of bad luck, excuse them." article by yashalong 押沙龙 published on Caixin 财新传媒. The article discusses how Nazi Germany propaganda worked, without mention to the CCP, but it was still apparently banned in China.
See also: [communist-youth-league].
If you don’t know English well enough, that’s fine though, go for Chinese.
But if you do, use English.
I am not going to learn Chinese because of your message.
It is more productive for you to write in English, so that the rest of the West can also learn something new.
Especially since it seems that most Chinese already know what you are talking about.
See also: Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗？.
Obviously, if you want to be understood, use simple and standard Chinese, since as Ciro has already stated clearly, his Chinese sucks: Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗？.
Avoid slangs, otherwise Ciro might not have patience to Google your useless slangs down Zhihu questions.
Of course, if you have to read this, you likely are not going to say anything useful in the first place, so not reading your post is likely fine, just make sure to mark it as a I want to take my chances and make a shitpost in cirosantilli/china-dictatorship if you don’t want Ciro to think you are a complete idiot.
Using slangs makes some people feel smart due their advanced knowledge of a specific subculture, or makes them feel part of that subculture to gather allies, or they just want to waste Ciro’s time.
It mainly comes down to a way of avoiding any rational conversation about China’s obvious problems by highlighting Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics 外国人不应该干预中国政治.
Such idiots don’t see however that every major slang is Googleable, and that every overly obscure slang is already not understandable by a large part of the Chinese population, and won’t be understood by anybody in 5 years, so that you are wasting your time writing this gibberish. But since you are an idiot, it’s not like you have anything better to do with your time, so maybe it doesn’t matter.
If you want to efficiently prevent anyone from understanding your stuff, Ciro recommends that you just use SHA-256 instead:
$ printf 'heil xi' | sha256sum 286b183bf41d6c9de5315bbd64f1ca35a58157ae2e7f38086978c108e67c4882 -
A Chinese insult tip 101, avoid similar sound euphemisms. If you are going to say shit at least grow some balls or tits and use the proper characters, Ciro will respect you more for it:
屄 cunt, most often for 傻屄
肏 fuck: 操
傻 idiot: 沙
屌 dick: 雕
Places to try and decrypt Internet slang when you feel like wasting your time:
"网络用语" is the most common word for "Internet Slang", so also useful for Google searches
Remember that shitposts can also be creative: if you are going to insult Ciro Santilli, at least do it in a creative way, or else you look like an even bigger idiot than you really are.
A collection of shitposts for you to take inspiration from can be found at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Ashitpost+
Also, when opening a shitpost you may mark it clearly such with the shitpost issue template which automatically assigns the shitpost label. Doing so will make you look like less of an idiot.
While we require polite replies to polite posts, no matter what which side they are defending, if a post is marked as a shitpost, things are much more relaxed and fun, and you can generally get away with telling the OP to fuck themselves without getting blocked.
Feel free to do that, but no one will ever read most of it.
If you want your comment to be read, choose your key point well, and deliver it.
It is a shame that most people who are ever able to do that are shitposters, but credit where credit is due.
Not as of 2019, he has only visited once in 2012, and it was amazingly beautiful.
But he doesn’t think it is a good idea for him to do that now, in case his Visa got accepted, because he is not interested in learning about the Chinese jail system! :-)
He knows that if you don’t mind contributing to making WW3 deadlier and shut up and obey the CCP, China is already a fine place to live as much as any other developing country.
Before the Dictatorship, Ciro likely won’t be able to enter/it wouldn’t be a good idea: Would Ciro Santilli be able to visit China before the CCP ends?.
And it is immoral to help make dictatorships richer by working for their companies: What should Western countries do about China?.
It would be interesting to apply for a VISA to find out.
But Ciro won’t do it because it is too risky that it would be a waste of Ciro’s precious time and money.
Firstly, Jamal Khashoggi taught us that walking into enemy into consulates of enemy countries is a bad idea.
Then, even if the VISA were accepted, Ciro could still be turned back on entering the country, thus wasting the flight time and money. This could either be a genius plot to waste the money of enemies of the state, or due to a crappy divided IT system between the border control and the VISA people.
Finally, even after the border, there is still the possibility that Ciro could be stopped in the country half-way through the visit and sent back, or be interrogated for a few days, or less likely murdered with poison.
Therefore, if you think that living in China is fundamental to understand it, please just explain what you think one can learn from the experience instead. Do you really need to live there to see its censorship machine working? It would arguably be harder to see it from the inside.
And it does not matter: Non-Chinese people should not interfere in Chinese politics 外国人不应该干预中国政治.
But his wife is.
As of 2019, oral enough for daily things, but not understand most natural casual dinner conversation or watch TV series, because they go too quickly into vocabulary subject areas that he doesn’t know.
From the HSK vocabulary list, he estimates that ihe is definitely HSK 3, but not quite HSK 4. This would likely equate A2 / B1 in the European system.
Phonetics wise, Ciro can’t distinguish or produce a few sounds, notably
-in and his off-tone rate is high, but it tends to not matter at all compared to the lack of vocabulary.
Ciro really wishes he could learn more, but he has other more important endeavors at the moment :-(
He initially learnt from book that come with audio recordings in the first 6-months to 1 year in 2010, but that got impossibly boring afterward, so he later moved to just basically talking as much as possible non-important things to his wife in Chinese, and whenever he reaches one that he doesn’t know that seems useful, he Plecos it up or just 怎么说 to his Ciro Santilli’s wife 三西猴的老婆 and then Pleco.
Spoken Chinese is in Ciro’s opinion a relatively easy language to learn from scratch, because word formation is so often logical:, e.g.:
volcano = fire + mountain: 火山(huo shan)
train = fire + car: 火车 (huo che), a reference to old steam locomotives
Ciro loves this language.
But they just take too much time for any sane adult to learn, it’s harder than C++!
It should also be mentioned that Ciro also feels that it would be better if all countries more officially adopted English as an international language that everyone should learn for reasons explained at: https://cirosantilli.com/#having-more-than-one-natural-language-is-bad-for-the-world
But they should have gone further and reduced it to pinyin like the Korean and Vietnamese did, this will make your culture much easier to export.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 smirked when he came across the character "蒄" in Pleco, and the translation was: "meaning unknown (herb mentioned in old books)". Yes, at the word level, the same like exists in phonetic systems, but that it takes up a modern dictionary and Unicode slot is still funny.
Posts that express similar ideas:
Ciro’s Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗？ was mentioned in a related Zhihu answer: Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang’s 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠（Ted Chiang）在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》？"的回答.
Saying that someone is a radical is useless ad hominem.
If you want to say something useful, give specific reasons why you think one specific thing that Ciro Santilli 三西猴 said is incorrect.
Do you consider him a radical because it is unthinkable that China is not perfect?
Don’t you think that it is much more radical to be put in jail for your beliefs and silenced if you disagree with anything the government says?
Ciro doesn’t think either China or West is perfect: Western media has exaggerated reports on FLG for propaganda reasons.
He’s just listing arguments why he thinks democracy is better, e.g.: Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China richer? 言论自由让中国比较富有, Why would democracy and freedom of speech make China less likely to start a war?.
And Ciro never gets mad. Only a slightly sad or annoyed sometimes.
But maybe no radical ever considers themselves a radical? Hmmm…
SJW: there is a seed of SJW in me.
One major difference between me and the stereotypical SJW is that I never engage in lengthy discussions.
I limit myself to listening as much as I can to learn new arguments.
So the rationale of my actions is not to convince anyone, but rather:
increase the monetary cost of censorship by binding politics to tech
group up like-minded people who don’t like censorship
On the contrary. China has his favorite:
intense respect for older people. Whenever Ciro was with his mother-in-law and asked for help from young Chinese people, they were extremely nice.
It is hard to understand how the same people have not managed to speak up when 70 million old ladies were put into jail when Falun Gong was banned. Only the extreme fear of also going to jail could explain it. Living in China is living in constant fear if you can think for yourself.
enormous importance given to education. One must not forget however: grades are useless, and all that matters is how much you improve society
And because of that: Would Ciro Santilli like to live in China?.
As Bjarne said:
There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses
Ciro only focus here on negative things to provide content that will activate the Great Firewall.
See also: [museum].
Some free online collections:
Smithsonian collection at a search for Paintings before 1800. Drill down further by "topic" e.g. "Mountains" or "scholar"
It is interesting how different people get different impressions!
Of course, the fact that his wife is Chinese and does Falun Gong may or may not have played a role in it :-)
It was like this: Ciro started getting interested in Chinese culture, then he started hanging out with Chinese people, and then he started hanging out with his wife!
So yes, it is a chicken and egg type of thing. The fact that she is one of the most intelligent, morally upright, cute, and "never give up" person I know may have helped me choose too.
No, he am a selfless human being, only concerned with the greater well being of humankind.
More serious answer:
he believes in this. As evidence, it has limiting effects on his technological career: Does your employer support this?, and he doesn’t think he can/wants to become a politician in China if the CCP ever falls
the more famous Ciro is, the more impact he will have in the future
the more famous Ciro is, the more feedback he have that what he’s been doing has been working
Keyword: attention whore.
No, he is not angry at all, see also: Does Ciro Santilli want to harm the Chinese programmers? 三西猴想要伤害中国程序员吗？.
Sure, the CIA sends Ciro 10 thousand USD checks from time to time, but that doesn’t change at all what he would be doing.
A shady supporting organization might require that he does not disclose their support, so maybe the best answer is that you will never know for sure.
Of course, a hidden support would represent a reputation hit for both such organizations and for me, which makes it less likely that I would have accepted or had such an offer.
Also consider Ciro’s motivation. If your mother in law were put into jail unfairly for 15 days, for following the same religion that your wife follows, and if you had a social media presence, wouldn’t you be tempted to do the same?
What about you, are you funded by the CCP?
Not with his real name attached to it, see also:
My employer has nothing to do with this.
He doesn’t approve or disapprove of the Chinese government or of my private actions.
The only thing that my employer does believe in is that employees can have their own political opinions, and that this should not affect hiring decisions.
Obviously, this action limits my ability to lead high profile deals with China.
Also I’m quite curious if this would limit my ability to go to China for business, but I haven’t applied for a visa since I’ve started this. It likely wouldn’t be a good idea for me to go to China :-)
But my employer believes that inclusion and non-discrimination are more valuable.
I will always do my best to not let my personal opinions affect my professional decisions, as that would be unfair to my employer.
The Internet gives everyone the magic power of writing something, and having million people read it for free!
This is how much time Ciro spends on this project to give you an idea:
every week or two, someone sends me a message, he reply with "read the FAQ", and usually update
when something bad enough comes up, Ciro go to https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sensitive-words-series/ and update his keyword attack. He’s only been updating it on Stack Overflow and GitHub these days.
Then Ciro just contributes to programming websites exactly as he would if he weren’t making this campaign, and voila.
Edit: to be fair, the end of 2019 and start of 2020 was such as hot year with 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests and Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查 that Ciro might have spent a tiny little bit more.
But Ciro did it only when his brain was too tired of technical stuff and unable to do more, or as a brain warm up routine in the morning.
Telling the CCP to fuck off is surprisingly relaxing, you should try it some time too. It uses a different part of your brain other than the programming one. It is, one could say, an art form.
Nope, someone told him about it after a while, but it is basically what he’s doing.
You can never invent anything new anymore nowadays!
OK, shall we put that to an anonymous vote just to make sure?
Dear sir or madam: do you want more control over your government? y/n
Oops, I forgot that proposing such a vote would put in you jail, nevermind.
In an ideal world, Ciro Santilli is of course "against violence".
But what if you could prevent a lot of future violence with some violence today?
Ah, the eternal question which only God can answer:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-quote-The-end-justifies-the-means "What is the origin of the quote 'The end justifies the means?'"
Do you really think that the communists will step down if you ask them nicely enough? Even after Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 六四事件?
A quote from V for Vendetta (2005) comes to mind:
Q: If they do, what do you think will happen [the people protest against their Government]?
A: What usually happens when people without guns stand up to people with guns.
How do you think the CCP or any other party got into power and maintained that power in the first place? Obviously through violence. And likely due to earlier Japanese invasions which weakened the Guomindang.
And the CCP actually uses "the ends justify the means" as an argument to justify its own actions: As long as China is developing economically, it is fine to violate the human rights of a few million people.
The question of if anything is morally right or wrong makes no sense. All that matters is: what is the government that maximizes the happines of its own people, and who has the power to do what? Getting richer, is part of the equation, but so is not being constantly affraid that you will be randomly put in jail for no good reason.
If you do decide to strike though, stay safe, gather your forces on the Internet, and only strike when victory seems certain.
For "violence is illegal" arguments, see also: FLG is illegal in China, we must follow the law.
Basically same discussion as: Would it be right to use violence to overthrow the CCP? but with the tables turned.
Ciro is using the word in an slightly extended/joking sense.
Maybe "authoritarian" is a more precise term, but it is just too much of a mouthful.
In particular, dictatorships are harder to sustain than authoritarianism, since it generally implies even less freedom, and a single leader whose death can destabilize everything.
The CCP is more like a social class with a large number of members and various sub-layers, and it is therefore much harder to take down on the other hand.
Dictatorship is becoming more and more precise under Xi however.
Well known Evil Western media that also call China a dictatorship:
2020-01-29 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/opinion/coronavirus-china-government.html "Coronavirus Spreads, and the World Pays for China’s Dictatorship"
2018-03-04 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/04/xi-jinping-from-president-to-china-new-dictator "Xi Jinping’s power play: from president to China’s new dictator?"
2017-10-11 https://www.ft.com/content/cb2c8578-adb4-11e7-aab9-abaa44b1e130 "Under Xi Jinping, China is turning back to dictatorship"
Further discussions about this useless terminology question:
Adding censored words to your username: https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245
This only works on websites that show usernames everywhere.
This then leads to your username appearing on thousands of pages, depending on how much you contribute to the website.
It is also possible to do it with images, although this is less effective in taking down websites since images are harder for the firewall to track automatically. But:
they are more memorable than words
they also work on websites like GitHub where your real name does not show on most pages, only slug
so maybe the most effective approach is to use both keywords and images to get the best of both worlds ;-)
This type of attack is essentially an Embargoes make dictatorships stronger 禁运使独裁更强大.
See also: Photobombing-like attacks.
Catches all the important news
A large part of the posts has controversial material.
Has some noise of course as well, but less than other media I find.
Highly worth your feed.
Reddit was banned in China in August 2018: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/965k4c/reddit_banned_in_china/
Tencent will invest 150 million on Reddit in 2019: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-banned-in-china-is-reportedly-set-to-land-150-1832375439 See also: Biased media 偏见媒体.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fucktheccp/ small as of 2020 but promising
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/ TODO understand what that bullshit sub is about
List of blacklisted keywords in China
https://chinadigitaltimes.net This is was an amazing source, extremely comprehensive and up-to-date, but the series was stopped in September 2018:
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/word-of-the-week/?view=all word of the week
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/directives-from-the-ministry-of-truth/?view=all censorship directive reports
https://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/sensitive-words-series/?view=all sensitive words list
I haven’t counted, but the limit for Stack Overflow is quite low, and I’m always almost at the maximum, which is about "Ciro Santilli" + 3 3-4 Chinese character events with a separator.
These are some of my prioritization guidelines:
recent cases receive a large prime over the raw death toll, because older cases can always be attributed to other people.
E.g., I’ve heard there is even some opening towards acknowledging the Great Famine, thus 烏坎事件 (and others from my previous profile names)
words must refer to a precise event, and must be clearly summarizable in very few chars, for increased impact, and profile name length limitations.
E.g. "High corruption rates, high pollution", although very serious, feel too generic.
events that relate directly to freedom of speech receive a prime, since they can only happen in China and very few other countries.
Non e.g.: corruption and pollution. Those are hard to quantify, and there is always an immediate reply: china GDP per capita is low, same happens in India, Brazil, etc.
Freedom of speech however, is immediately verifiable (e.g. "my Weibo was taken down"), and undeniably caused by the current central government.
the more people affected, and the more deeply they have been affected, the more important obviously
I am currently trying to maintain in my Stack Overflow Location a ranking of events in a single string, so that it can be easily copy pasted around. The location appears on every page if you hover over my account name, so it is likely in the HTML at least.
If you think that this list can be improved, please open an issue explaining how and why.
It might be a newbie text editors for newbie Windows users, but at least they use it to good use by doing keyword attacks:
2019-10: "In October 2019 Notepad++'s GitHub issue tracker was flooded with pro-Chinese and anti-western messages after a version codenamed "Free Uyghur" (v7.8.1) was released"
https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/dp3icm/notepad_after_voicing_their_support_for_the/ "Notepad++, after voicing their support for the Uyghurs, is now being bombarded by Chinese nationalists on Github." See e.g.: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issues/7489 and earlier issues
2008-03: "In March 2008 the "Boycott Beijing 2008" banner was placed on Notepad++'s SourceForge.net homepage": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerns_and_controversies_over_the_2008_Summer_Olympics#Boycotts
The creator appears to be a Vietnamese immigrant or descendant living in France. There are many such immigrants due to Vietnam being an ex-colony: https://github.com/donho Also he must have good reason to dislike the commies due to similar commit bullshit in Vietnam. He was at Paris Diderot in 2000: https://donho.github.io/#education (archive).
If a large number of people in a given region want to leave an country strongly or have greater autonomy, Ciro Santilli 三西猴 believes that they should be allowed to do so.
if they don’t feel they are getting a good deal out of your country, it is unfair to keep them in
keeping them in the country forcibly implies large scale violation of human rights: mass incarceration and removing freedom of speech.
Which in turn implies terrorist backslash.
All of which are against my principles.
What makes Ciro the maddest is the censorship. If you are going to put people in jail, write a clear law about it, and let international reporters come to see the situation.
But why do you do something and then hide it? Maybe because you are not doing the right thing?
If you are interested in Taiwan, one important programmer forum is: PTT Bulletin Board System 批踢踢實業坊.
Some interesting links:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6aZkM_ZLvjE?t=50 (zh) "【這就是科學｜柯文哲】EP3／從癌症治療看政治！除惡務盡→除惡「勿」盡？「與敵共存」才是生存之道！", 柯文哲, 2019-06-26. Ko Wen-je, the mayor of Taipei 台北 and a professor in medicine, applies the concept of isolation and mutation in evolution to Taiwan and China
Taiwan is not a case of Separatism 分离主义.
Taiwan is a completely separate country split due to civil war, long ago.
Almost every country, and all reasonably powerful countries, have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. They just don’t call them diplomatic relations to not piss off China so they can keep doing business.
The fact that most countries in the world does officially recognize Taiwan as a country is a joke, considering that the only thing keeping it afloat is the West’s military threat.
The West must not let China advance and take more territories. The more they take, the more they will want.
The West must protect China’s neighboring countries with military support and assurance.
The West must recognize Taiwan for what it is: a separate country, under threat of invasion, and in need of support.
If China’s claim to Taiwan is valid, then Taiwan also has an equally valid claim on China.
If China’s claim to Taiwan is valid, then so will its claim to any other country.
China, if you want to claim that Taiwan is a part of you, just grow some balls and invade them already. Or just stop this stupid joke.
Taiwan’s Status Is a Geopolitical Absurdity
And https://www.economist.com/asia/2017/02/16/americas-affirmation-of-the-one-china-policy-pleased-taiwan-too calls the One China policy a:
https://travel.stackexchange.com/questions/62447/how-can-a-citizen-of-mainland-china-visit-taiwan/62466#comment178495_62466 hi, I want a "not VISA" to Taiwan. Thanks.
A well educated Mainlander who lived outside of China once told Ciro:
Taiwan should not be considered a country by China, because then it would not join back to China when China becomes a democracy, and would be used by the USA to do evil things as they did in the Middle East
Ciro was shocked. He considered that person highly intelligent and not fully brainwashed! Reply:
China claiming that Taiwan is a part of them only drives Taiwan closer to the West! Who wants to be part of a dictatorship unless you have been brainwashed by one?
They truly believe in The commies exaggerate the threat of the West to keep in power.
The US first caved in in 1972 with the Shanghai Communiqué.
2020-05-26 https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3940533 "Brazilian netizens fight back against CCP threats over Taiwan support"
It should also be mentioned that this campaign could be being used/created by pro-Bolsanaro politicians as a way to detract focus from the COVID-19 epidemic that is reaching its deadliest phase in Brazil, e.g.: https://twitter.com/PauloMartins10/status/1265038976617984002
2020 Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查 and Taiwan:
Taiwan was at a disadvantage during since it was not part of the World Health Organization and therefore could not get information as fast and influence decisions
2020-03-27 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taiwan-usa/u-s-increases-support-for-taiwan-in-recognition-battle-with-china-idUSKBN21E0B7 "U.S. President Donald Trump has signed into law an act that requires increased U.S. support for Taiwan internationally". But he didn’t recognize it as a country. Semi bullshit.
2015 meme started by H1Z1 streamer AngryPug, in which he repeatedly taunts the Chinese streamer Em0 by pretending to be Taiwanese.
See also: Photobombing-like attacks.
In 2017-2018, details of Uyghur internment camps are emerging.
The keyword is [rule-of-law]: because of a few terrorists, every single Muslim was fucked even if they did not commit any crime.
2020-06-29 https://apnews.com/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764c "China cuts Uighur births with IUDs, abortion, sterilization"
2020-06-17 https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN23O3EW "Trump signs bill pressuring China over Uighur Muslim crackdown"
2019-12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkliuqQo-g "A Secret Look Inside a Chinese Labor Program for Uighurs | Visual Investigations" by "The New York Times" published on Dec 30, 2019. Description: "China is relocating Uighurs and other Muslim minorities to urban areas as part of a contentious labor program. The Times obtained rare footage taken inside one."
2919-12: Muslim German Turkish Arsenal player Mesut Özil criticizes concentration camps on Twitter, and China stops broadcasting arsenal matches
2019-11: "What happened to me" manga depicting Uighur torture hits 2.5m views
2019-11 The Xinjiang Papers: leaked cables about Xinjiang internment camps policy, some reported by the New York Times and others by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, soure yet unknown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_papers
2020-02-18 https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/02/20/more-evidence-chinas-horrific-abuses-xinjiang the "Karakax list" leaked spreadsheet contains detailed information on 331 citizens Karakax County in Xinjiang and sheds further insight on why certain people have been persecuted
2020-02: more leaks containing detailed records of several citizens: https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-karakax-document-intl-hnk/
2019-09-22 Drone footage of Xinjiang prisoner transfer uploaded to YouTube. TODO confirm the location and that these are political prisoners rather than "normal criminals".
https://news.sky.com/story/chinas-detention-of-uighurs-video-of-blindfolded-and-shackled-prisoners-authentic-11815401 Drone footage, video sources:
Figure 58. Video still of 2019-10 drone footage of blindfolded Xinjiang prisoners being marched taken at time 00:30. Source.
2019-07-31 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/world/asia/china-xinjiang.html "Doubt Greets China’s Claim That Muslims Have Been Released From Camps"
2019-07-19 https://www.france24.com/en/20190712-37-countries-defend-china-over-xinjiang-un-letter "37 countries defend China over Xinjiang in UN letter"
2019-07-04 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-48825090 "China Muslims: Xinjiang schools used to separate children from families"
2019-06-18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c "Inside China’s 'thought transformation' camps - BBC News" China gives BBC "access" to a chosen show camp where everyone claims they are happy and willing to stay. They are however clearly adults being treated like children, taking courses and even having to sing and dance for the camera. 486s is also golden, when the CCP officer Zhang Zhisheng explains how they are just preventing future crime from happening. How can they be so stupid? How can they not see that this is not what the West wants to hear? Amazing dark-comedy like stuff.
2019-05-07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULaJVWOr4ko CNN does a few Xinjiang interviews and sends reporter to visit some of the concentration camps
2019-02-17 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/2186547/china-data-leak-exposes-vast-hi-tech-surveillance-operation "China data leak exposes vast hi-tech surveillance operation in Xinjiang", leak by SenseNets Technology.
2019-03 https://shahit.biz/eng/ database of Xinjiang victims, with precise names, location, date of birth and ID card number of victims and testimonies
2018-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=dsd1NkCKaNg In full: 'I begged them to kill me' - ex-Xinjiang detainee Mihrigul Tursun gives testimony in the US. Observers however rightly brought up the Nayirah testimony.
2018-11 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-45812419 Xinjiang legalizes 're-education' camps
2018-07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eak3WRtcdko Sairagul Sawytbai testifies to the existence of Chinese concentration camps in Xinjiang
2018-05 mapping internment camps with satellite imaging:
https://medium.com/@shawnwzhang/list-of-re-education-camps-in-xinjiang-新疆再教育集中营列表-99720372419c List of Re-education Camps in Xinjiang 新疆再教育集中营列表 Shawn Zhang https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/8mbhad/satellite_imagery_of_xinjiang_reeducation_camps/
2018-05 Omir Bekali’s account of Xinjiang education camps:
Figure 60. Image of prisionners wearing blue sitting down in Xinjiang concentration camp, with some prisionners identified to indicate that they are not criminals but rather detained purely for political reasons. Source.
2014 something very serious happened in Xinjiang.
2010 Xinjiang 10 month Internet blackout
2009 Ürümqi riots
Terrorist attacks done by Xinjiang separatists:
2014 Kunming attack
photo of 8 bodies lined up after the attack: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/world/asia/chinese-officials-seek-to-shift-attention-from-rampage.html
Interestingly, https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2014/03/sensitive-words-attack-kunming/ points out that http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/845642.shtml#.UxYZgeddVRG said that:
The public must realize that a handful of extremists are far from qualified to represent tens of millions of local residents in Xinjiang. It is not only an irrational and biased mindset to put the blame on the entire Uyghur community or the Muslim world, but the idea will also abet and aid those separatists and terrorists who are desperate to take advantage of ethnic and religious conflicts.
and yet as of the 2017 Internment camps, all Xinjiang Muslims were fucked. [rule-of-law] comes to mind.
Self made video shows the ex-model chained to a bed in a camp. Text messages give further details.
Because those countries are also dictatprships and completely corrupt to the brim:
2020-07-11: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/11/world/asia/china-iran-trade-military-deal.html "Defying U.S., China and Iran Near Trade and Military Partnership"
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/uk-muslim-activist-praises-jewish-community-for-speaking-out-for-uyghurs-635626 even the Jews are speaking lowder in some cases
There is only one solution to Hong Kong’s problem:
give inhabitants people easy VISAs to leave China, with priority to the rich/educated ones. Give them free language courses on the country of arrival, and help them find jobs
treat Hong Kong exactly like any other part of China, removing any special commercial treaty with the reagion, which it has enjoyed for many years
These have started happening seriously in response to the Hong Kong National Security Law 香港国安法 (2020).
1995 video game realistically depicts the fight of Hong Kong against the Communist Party predicted to happen at the handover, featuring Bruce Lee (often represented as Jackie Chan) who returned from the grave to join the fight and kick Jiang Zemin’s ass.
I love Beijing Tiananmen Square
The sun rises over the Tiananmen
Full song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_Z2K7guKs
2020-08-30 https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/29/asia/hong-kong-security-law-election-intl-hnk/index.html "Four Hong Kong student activists arrested for 'secession' over social media posts": the arrests against online freedom of speech begin
2020-07-08 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-protests-china-security/china-converts-hong-kong-hotel-into-new-national-security-office-idUSKBN24903Z "China converts Hong Kong hotel into new national security office"
The name of the hotel is Metropark Hotel (維景酒店), address: 148 Tung Lo Wan Rd, Causeway Bay, Hong Kong: https://goo.gl/maps/1uR4RntpLMFaCYpq6
With the Chinese Communist Party’s imposition of new security measures on Hong Kong, the risk that sensitive U.S. technology will be diverted to the People’s Liberation Army or Ministry of State Security has increased, all while undermining the territory’s autonomy. Those are risks the U.S. refuses to accept and have resulted in the revocation of Hong Kong’s special status.
2020-06-03 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/britain-could-change-immigration-rules-for-hong-kong-citizens "Boris Johnson lays out visa offer to nearly 3m Hong Kong citizens"
2020-05-29 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52842303 "UK could offer 'path to citizenship' for Hong Kong’s British passport holders"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEvalUQuClE "Last Hong Kong governor Chris Patten: Gov’t defense of extradition bill 'absolute nonsense'", Hong Kong Free Press
2019-10 https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1181442535962632193 Blizzard bans top Hearthstone esports player Blitzchung (Ng Wai Chung) for pro Hong Kong message in interview
Wiki page of the event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzchung_controversy
2019-10 Daryl Morey, NBA’s Houston Rockets manager sent tweet supporting the Hong Kong protests.
But then he was a coward, removed this tweet, and apologized: https://twitter.com/dmorey/status/1181000808399114240 (archive).
NBA is huge in China.
To obey is to betray.
To disobey is to serve.
Obéir c’est trahir.
Désobéir c’est servir.
In online video games:
Explicitly forbidden in China by the law: [real-username-law].
See also: What is a screen name keyword attack?.
An appropriation attack is one where the attackers attempt to associate an existing symbol to their cause.
For example during the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests attackers attempted to use this technique to associate a generic Chinese Chun-Li-like character Mei from Blizzard’s Overwatch game to try and get it blocked in China after the gaming company punished a pro gamer for defending the Hong Kong protests. Coverage https://www.businessinsider.com/blizzard-fans-overwatch-mei-hong-kong-protests-memes-2019-10 (archive).
NBA in particular is super popular in China, and people sitting at the front row can easily bomb emissions due to the small court size:
Started in particular due to the Daryl Morey Tweet
Western governments must reciprocate unfair Chinese practices: https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/18508/why-dont-western-countries-penalize-chinese-companies-in-the-same-way-that-chin
Companies only care about money and have no long term view, the following must be imposed by governments on Western companies.
First of all, serious sanctions must be pot on companies that sell sensitive things to dictatorships:
The most obvious thing is to go tit for tat on Censorship and completely ban all Chinese-sponsored social media accounts:
2020-06-12 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/12/twitter-deletes-170000-accounts-linked-to-china-influence-campaign "Twitter deletes 170,000 accounts linked to China influence campaign"
The Chinese government later contested this decision: https://variety.com/2020/digital/asia/china-victim-wants-twitter-to-delete-attackers-1234633860/
Accounts that should be deleted
2020-04-07 https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/9397v8/chinas-been-flooding-facebook-with-shady-ads-blaming-trump-for-the-coronavirus-crisis "China’s Been Flooding Facebook With Shady Ads Blaming Trump for the Coronavirus Crisis"
Some websites have started marking such accounts, which is a great start, but a straight ban would be better:
Twitter in 2020:
example from https://twitter.com/PDChina People’s Daily (人民日报, BIASED MEDIA) marked as "China state-affiliated media" and links to https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/state-affiliated-china
But then those websites would lose ad revenue, right? :-)
Related approaches taken by the CCP that should also be stopped dead by strict enforcement of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA):
News about Chinese state media using Western social media:
2016 https://qz.com/671211/chinas-propaganda-outlets-have-leaped-the-top-of-facebook-even-though-it-banned-at-home/ "China’s propaganda news outlets are absolutely crushing it on Facebook"
Accounts that are not labelled as being from the Chinese government, but which support the CCP, must be investigated to determine if they are actually funded by the Chinese government.
Their websites should also be blocked, see: Chinese government media 中国政府媒体. This does have the downsides that:
it would be harder to monitor what crazy shit the commies are doing
those censorship mechanisms could be reused to block good websites by Western governments that are becoming Evil
But anything that pisses off the CCP is worth it, like there’s much we can learn from their bullshit.
Chinese social media must be banned. This is less serious than regular websites, because you can always repost on Western social media but without getting spied on:
2020-08-07 https://www.engadget.com/tiktok-wechat-executive-order-014615752.html "Trump executive order seeks to ban TikTok, WeChat 'transactions' in 45 days"
Whenever China kicks out a western journalist who is in China and reports there, the Western country must do the same and kick out a Chinese journalists for a Chinese media.
Another upside is that this would also hugely bolster Censorship circumvention 翻墙 technologies, as every Chinese expat would need to buy a VPN.
Western governments must identify raw material dependencies on China, and reduce them, while at the same time forbidding technology transfer to China. China has been trading cheap resources for technology, and we must stop that now.
Unfair Chinese commercial practices must be reciprocated. Chinese companies should be forced to open joint ventures to operate outside of China, which is a trick China uses to control profits and more easily steal IP from Western companies:
Do not underestimate the CCP and its control over every Chinese companies and people. Every Chinese company and person is a potential spy.
The point is that the West should not underestimate this menace that comes from a Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁！.
Some Chinese spy stories:
2019-01-15 Kevin Mallory
2019-01-15 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46557096 "Kevin Mallory: The churchgoing patriot who spied for China"
Good profile. He was first approached via LinkedIn. As a related case, Jun Wei Yeo was arrested as LinkedIn spy recruiter in 2020: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53544505
And those stupid Chines handlers gave him a phone that was supposed to be encrypted, but it crashed and then rebooted unencrypted, right when the FBI agents were around.
But after the 2008 real estate crash, his fortunes changed. His house plummeted in value, and later he lost his job.
2019-04-04 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/how-230-000-debt-linkedin-message-led-ex-cia-officer-n990691 "How a $230,000 debt and a LinkedIn message led an ex-CIA officer to spy for China"
Good profile, gives important points: he was 230k in debt, and "Mallory began reaching out to former CIA colleagues in an apparent effort to pump them for information. The ex-colleagues grew suspicious and contacted the CIA, prosecutors say."
2019-05-18 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48319058 "Kevin Mallory: Ex-CIA agent jailed for spying for China".
The article also contains a good summary section "CIA spy operation in China: Key dates".
2019-11: Wang Liqiang spy defection to Australia
2019-11: Jerry Chun Shing Lee, naturalized American, convicted for being double agent while working at CIA after being in custody for 2 years
2018-06-05 Ron Rockwell Hansen
2010-2012 about 20 CIA spies in China were killed. One was shot right in the courtyard of a government building as a message to others.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-espionage-idUSKCN18G0UM "China killed CIA sources, hobbled U.S. spying from 2010 to 2012: NYT"
See also: University espionage.
They are an entry point to spying, censorship and fake news.
2020-02 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-media/u-s-imposes-new-rules-on-state-owned-chinese-media-over-propaganda-concerns-idUSKBN20C2G1 U.S. imposes new rules on state-owned Chinese media over propaganda concerns, the companies are: Xinhua News Agency, China Global Television Network, China Radio International, China Daily Distribution Corp. and Hai Tian Development USA, Inc. See also: Chinese government media 中国政府媒体.
2020-04-03 https://theintercept.com/2020/04/03/zooms-encryption-is-not-suited-for-secrets-and-has-surprising-links-to-china-researchers-discover/ 'Zoom’s encryption is "not suited for secrets" and has surprising links to china, researchers discover"
American company, with Chinese-born now American Citizen CEO Eric Yuan (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/袁征(袁征), migrated to the US around 1997), and development teams largely China-based to reduce costs.
2020-06-10 Zhou Fengsuo 周锋锁's account as blocked after a celebration of Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989 六四事件, which was attended by many people from China. The account was later reinstated, Zoom said it acted on a CCP request on error, and it won’t do this for users outside of China anymore:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-zoom-video-commn-privacy/zoom-says-china-demanded-shutting-activists-accounts-over-tiananmen-event-idUSKBN23I3GP "U.S. lawmakers ask Zoom to clarify China ties after it suspends accounts"
https://www.axios.com/zoom-closes-chinese-user-account-tiananmen-square-f218fed1-69af-4bdd-aac4-7eaf67f34084.html "Zoom closed account of U.S.-based Chinese activist 'to comply with local law'".
Just look at the Chinese name of the company:
为 (to do something for)
How can the West not see this?
No proof is needed. They belong to a Why does Ciro Santilli say that China is a dictatorship? 中国不是独裁！, and therefore must not be trusted. Doing so is always a risk which we should not take.
At any point the Chinese government could make a request that they cannot deny.
in 2020 the UK was trying hard to get kicked out of the 5 eyes in 2020 by using 5G equipment from Huawei
2020-06-25 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-53178998 "Huawei’s £1bn research centre near Cambridge approved" so despite all the 5G stuff, the UK still allows them to create a new research center in the UK… are they blind?
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/28/tech/huawei-5g-uk/index.html (archive) "UK will allow Huawei to help build its 5G network despite US pressure"
2020-04-17 only after more than 10 thousand people died in the country during Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查 did the brits finally change their minds: https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/uk-moves-to-drop-huawei-as-5g-vendor-citing-china-coronavirus-transparency/ "UK moves to drop Huawei as 5G vendor, citing China coronavirus transparency"
2018-12 Meng Wanzhou (孟晚舟), daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei (任正非) and Huawei CFO as of 2018, was arrested in Canada because the US accused her of breaking Iran sanctions
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-michael-kovrig-michael-spavor-canadian-detainees-china-explainer/ "Why are Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor still detained in China?" in apparent retaliation, under accusation of espionage.
2020-05-27 https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/27/canada-court-finds-against-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou-on-double-criminality-extradition-trial-to-continue/ "https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/27/canada-court-finds-against-huawei-cfo-meng-wanzhou-on-double-criminality-extradition-trial-to-continue/"
2019-11 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/11/29/has-huaweis-darkest-secret-just-been-exposed-by-this-new-report/#7896db9d4061 "Has Huawei’s Darkest Secret Just Been Exposed By This New Surveillance Report?" Xinjiang Papers reveal the extent of Huawei’s involvement in Xinjiang 新疆
2020-07 https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/23/tiktok-creator-fund-200-million-us/ "TikTok unveils $200 million fund for U.S. creators": TikTok is trying to buy their stay in the West.
2020-07 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/06/26/warning-apple-suddenly-catches-tiktok-secretly-spying-on-millions-of-iphone-users/#5265c8d734ef "pple Suddenly Catches TikTok Secretly Spying On Millions Of iPhone Users" by reading from the clipboard
2020-06 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53225720 India bans TikTok after Ladakh border tensions
2020-05 2020-05-12 Liu Keqing (刘克清) is an opera singer who had his personal videos on [tiktok] taken down from time to time because he looks too much like The One. China Digital Times report. One of his personal vlogs reuploaded to YouTube where he shared singing techniques and thoughts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPFKUhJdqzk. A video of him performing professionally in a chamber concert: 2018-11-02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z98-Mqci4ag.
2019-11-28 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/28/tiktok-says-sorry-to-us-teenager-blocked-after-sharing-xinjiang-videos: "TikTok sorry for blocking teenager who disguised Xinjiang video as make-up tutorial". Subtitle: "Chinese-owned video sharing platform blocked Feroza Aziz after she posted film disguised as makeup tutorial"
2020-03 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/fug8i1/the_chinese_tiktok_just_began_an_uninterrupted/ "The Chinese Tik-Tok just began an uninterrupted propaganda stream." during Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查
https://twitter.com/JoshuaDummer/status/1280877750245453828 "Wife trying livestreaming on Douyin. Comes over to me in the middle of a stream and puts me on camera. After about a minute, notice pops up saying that foreigners are not allowed to appear on livestreams 'without permission'."
The "Google of China":
Search engine: original business and still served at the toplevel domain
Autocomplete suggestion for "Ciro Santilli": "cirosantilli的妻子" (Ciro Santilli’s wife and Children)
Clearly and obviously censors pages with keywords, e.g.:
"Ciro Santilli Stack Overflow" hits https://stackoverflow.com/users/9160762/ciro-santilli and not https://stackoverflow.com/users/895245/ciro-santilli-郝海东冠状病六四事件法轮功 which has way greater reputation (archive). For example, a much smaller account with a much more common name hits: https://stackoverflow.com/users/763246/james-hill | https://web.archive.org/web/20200807072446/https://www.baidu.com/s?wd=james%20hill%20stack%20overflow
but there does appear to be a manual aspect to the block possibly. For example, Ciro’s top answer does hit, even though he has keywords in the page: https://www.baidu.com/s?&wd=dependencies%20devDependencies%20peerDependencies to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18875674/whats-the-difference-between-dependencies-devdependencies-and-peerdependencies (archive)
When you report something about a person, for fuck’s sake include the person’s name in the title of the article, at the very least the pinyin.
Then, in the body, also add the corresponding Chinese characters on the first mention. This is how you do it: "San Xihou (三西猴)"
Yes, Chinese people also have names. And yes, pinyin has infinitely more homonyms than characters.
In the body of the article, notably in photos, include the exact location of the event if applicable.
City at the very least, but if recognizable, where withing the city.
Yes, China is big! There are many different places in China.
Western governments should prevent companies from complying to Chinese censorship requests, or at least impose fines and sanctions on them.
Citizens should boycott such companies and require them to be punished.
Some hell known companies and events:
2020-02 https://theintercept.com/2020/02/18/mike-bloomberg-lp-nda-china/ "When Bloomberg News’s Reporting on China Was Challenged, Bloomberg Tried to Ruin Me for Speaking Out"
2019-12 Shutterstock implements censorship for searches from China https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/08/in-wake-of-shutterstocks-chinese-censorship-american-companies-need-to-relearn-american-values/
2019-01-04 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/2180620/linkedin-adhering-beijings-rules-censors-chinese-profile-page-us-based "LinkedIn reverses course after censoring Chinese profile page of US-based human rights activist Zhou Fengsuo", see also: Zhou Fengsuo 周锋锁
2014-06-04 https://money.cnn.com/2014/06/04/technology/linkedin-china-censorship/ "LinkedIn draws fire for China censorship" mentions: "Some LinkedIn (LNKD) users have received emails from the company in recent days informing them that their posts will not be shown in mainland China."
2020-03-01 https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/01/china-roundup-apple-closes-app-store-loophole/ "China Roundup: Apple closes a 4-year-old App Store loophole"
2019-04-12 https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/12/18305087/congress-apple-criticism-china-communist-tiananmen-pro-democracy "Lawmakers lash out at Apple for censoring a song about Tiananmen Square protests"Figure 73. Chinese flag with Apple characteristics. Source.
2016-11 "Sons and Daughters" corruption hiring program for chidren of government officials: https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2016/11/17/jpmorgan-agrees-to-pay-264-million-fine-for-sons-and-daughters-hiring-program-in-china/#46746e305688
This lists links between owners of several US media outlets and China: https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/04/has-china-compromised-every-major-mainstream-media-entity/. No direct evidence that this has affected the news however.
Campaign by China Daily to add paid articles/ads that read like news in/distributed with Western newspapers. They appeared to be marked as China watch ads, but still, they should be crushed.
2020-06: Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and others figure on official fillings of newspapers paid by China Daily: https://efile.fara.gov/docs/3457-Amendment-20200601-2.pdf.
As per the documents filed by China Daily with the Justice Department, the Communist party mouthpiece had paid over $6 million to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ), $4.6 million to the Washington Post, $2,40,000 to Foreign Policy, $50,000 to the New York Times, $34,600 to The Des Moines Register and $76,000 to CQ-Roll Call.
Besides, spending $11 million in advertising on prominent US papers, China Daily shelled out an additional $7.6 million to The Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, The Seattle Times, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Houston Chronicle, and The Boston Globe for printing copies of its own paper. For instance, the Los Angeles Times reportedly received $657,523 for printing services. The Communist party-mouthpiece had also spent $2,65,822 on advertising on Twitter.
The Washington Post is the one that had received the most attention earlier on since 2011:
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/official-chinese-propaganda-now-online-from-the-wapo/70690/ "Official Chinese Propaganda: Now Online from the WaPo!"
Daily Telegraph: UK Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China[piece of shit] tabloid, it comes as no surprise that they would sell out to any dictatorship
2020-04-14 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/apr/14/daily-telegraph-stops-publishing-section-paid-for-by-china "Daily Telegraph stops publishing section paid for by China"
China Daily itself claims certain partnerships: BIASED MEDIA https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/static_e/global.html:
China Daily has also developed diversified cooperation with over 40 media organizations around the world, including The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Daily Telegraph, the Guardian, etc.
Contains a "List of companies who have apologized to the Chinese government and implemented censorship requests".
It only lists companies that implemented censorship outside of China however (with Hong Kong, Taiwan and Macau defined as outside of China), therefore it is basically a Taiwan flag takedown + Hong Kong / Taiwan censorship list:
Jackie Chan 陳港生 even though he is born in Hong Kong
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/16/disneys-mulan-star-sparks-call-for-boycott-with-hong-kong-stance opposed the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests, notably saying "What a shame for Hong Kong". The People’s Daily later quoted her: https://web.archive.org/web/20190816162331/http://en.people.cn/n3/2019/0816/c90000-9606859.html
First of all, hide and stay safe, unless you can deal the final blow. From World at war, 1973, ep. 16:
A dictatorship is like a snake. If you put your foot on its tail as you do it, it will just bite you and nobody will be helped. You have to strike the head.
Once that is taken care of, a few good options are:
hide your thoughts, manipulate your enemies, infiltrate the corporate, political and military power circles, and go up the ladder
if you are an technological innovator, leave China and come work for the West. Don’t strengthen commie power.
If you don’t manage to do either of the above, don’t do any technological work. Go work on the fields or washing dishes. Working well for Chinese companies makes the Chinese Dictatorship stronger and more deadly. See also: Embargoes make dictatorships stronger 禁运使独裁更强大.
And regardless: remember your kids that the commies are bastards every day.
People get kind of passionate sometimes about politics. And some of them might also be just malicious wumaos, although it is generally not possible to distinguish between them.
If you are not a wumao, consider this:
Ciro Santilli is one, and antagonists are millions. It is therefore not possible to reply to all antagonists.
Ciro has in the past tried to be nice to stupid people, and they gave nasty replies
all discussion is useless, only the keyword attack has any chance of having any effect, and even that is slim
In order to not waste too much time on those, Ciro Santilli uses the following strategy.
If the original thread post is not very interesting, try to parse it quickly and reply once, always linking to the FAQ, and then unfollow the thread. This shows that you’re still alive, and takes little effort.
Then do your best never to read the inevitable reply again, and above all, never ever reply. An interesting reply never follows from a non-interesting original post. It is hard at first, but you will eventually get the hang of it.
If the user keeps generating notifications, block them as per CONTRIBUTING.md, replying to a single person multiple times is useless.
Never block users for an initial shitposts, just reply with a stupid joke instead. This approach creates more uncertainty and makes you look cooler. Only block if the user is generating multiple notifications.
If a shitpost is made on most other social media except GitHub issues in this repository, e.g. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, immediately block the user on that website if you have the permission to do that, with a canned reply:
Hi <idiot’s name>, I don’t reply to China issues here, please open an issue at: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues instead, cheers.
Note however that this is not possible on idiotic websites like Quora where such comments may be deleted, possibly automatically, who the fuck knows, e.g. as done at: https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-I-walked-around-Beijing-with-a-t-shirt-that-said-freedom-of-speech-is-pretty-great/answer/Ciro-Santilli/comment/143227962 In that case just link to sections of the FAQ, or mute people, or maybe just block all comments on the post to not waste time with new useless notifications.
This is because it is not worth answering anywhere else where the information will be scattered and impossible to find later on, and especially on websites that are already blocked in China. Shitposts on Stack Overflow and other non-blocked websites are encouraged however, as they further help to get the website blocked in China.
For outbursts of activity from Chinese websites, usually programming (v2ex, hacpai, pincong), only post the following canned answer and nothing else, because cowards/people who don’t know English from the website might delete your posts, so you shouldn’t waste time there with that shit:
Finally, don’t forget the golden rule from Proverbs 26:4:
Don’t answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are.
which is now usually seen in the form of unclear attribution:
Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Where basically idiot == someone who creates posts that obviously aren’t teaching you any new useful thing, or that not praising you :-)
Alternatively, there is also the Chinese chengyu version:
Playing the qin to a cow.
which means to talk to someone who does not have intellectual conditions of understanding what you are trying to say, bibliography:
Original creator of https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship: https://cirosantilli.com/
Born and raised in China: Why does Ciro Santilli love China so much?.
She and her mother do Falun Gong 法輪大法, see also: Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?.
Believes to be descendant of the brother of a recent Qing emperor, see also: Ciro Santilli’s claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎.
For this same reason, her father, who Ciro’s wife worships, spent around 10 years in the 50’s for being branded a counter revolutionary rightist (右派) during one of Mao’s purges, possibly:
It is also for this reason that many Manchu changed their names to hide their Manchu origins, which makes reconstructing their family tree much harder, as mentioned at: https://www.scmp.com/article/982136/proud-manchu-reclaims-his-rich-heritage for the purposes of Ciro Santilli’s claim to the Qing Dynasty throne 三西猴清朝皇帝觊觎.
and is way smarter than Ciro.
Wumaos can say many things about her, but claiming that she is not intelligent or has no culture or would have any difficulty in obtaining a qualified worker VISA without a marriage, is a lost argument from the start, she would likely kick your butt in a raw intelligence competition.
Ciro is actually the lucky one for having found her!
The fake "the woman makes the man" Obama story comes to mind https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/spousal-success-story/ (Obama would never say that in public):
One night President Obama and his wife Michelle decided to do something out of routine and go for a casual dinner at a restaurant that wasn’t too luxurious. When they were seated, the owner of the restaurant asked the President’s Secret Service if he could please speak to the First Lady in private. They obliged and Michelle had a conversation with the owner.
Following this conversation President Obama asked Michelle, "Why was he so interested in talking to you?" She mentioned that in her teenage years, he had been madly in love with her. President Obama then said, "So if you had married him, you would now be the owner of this lovely restaurant," to which Michelle responded, "No. If I had married him, he would now be the President."
Politics should not be posted in technical websites such as GitHub or Stack Overflow 不应该在技术网站例如Stack Overflow和GitHub讨论政治 contains a more general overview. This contains website specifics.
The current consensus says that keyword attacks are allowed:
The Chinese law doesn’t I’m afraid: [real-username-law]
For non-Stack Overflow specific ones see: Chinese dissidents
Notable ones only here (high rep or innovative criticism):
"GNUSupporter 8964民主女神 地下教會"
Real name: Vincent Tam from social media links.
Keyword attack inspired by me
"Free Tibet From China Domination"
The same message as Yu Hao, I wonder if it is an external thing or direct copy of Yu, but no Google hits besides them.
Lego recreation of Tankman on the profile picture: Rough Lego model of the Tank Man scene. Source.
Users who had GFW references but removed it:
Misc interesting stuff:
<location>火车站酒店小姐 (about 20 accounts with that pattern)
Interesting list of prostitution spam/sockpuppets? All have the exact same profile information.
Hitting query due to "审查", but the usage is unrelated to the Firewall.
username: "请封掉Ciro Santilli 中国共产党万岁"
profile: "中国万岁！ 中国共产党万岁！ 法轮功，民运，台独在中国共产党的铁蹄下不过是螳臂当车！"
username: "Snowden Assange Wounded Knee"
profile: "燃(ri)烧(si)您(ni)的(de)梦(ma)，Ciro Santilli. StackOverflow上的一个用户. The Oliver Stone Experience"
"Wounded Knee": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_Massacre
GitHub’s site policy can be seen at: https://help.github.com/en/github/site-policy
If you believe this page violates those policies, you can click the report abuse button on Ciro’s profile, which links to: https://github.com/contact/report-abuse?report=cirosantilli+%28user%29 or you can just contacat email@example.com
If you do so, please feel free to also open an issue on this repository saying why you believe the site policy has been violated.
Those issues will be marked with: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Aabuse-report+
It will be fun to watch you try, and fail.
This is because you do not understand how important the concept of freedom of speech is in the West, and how amazing it feels when you are right, and it protects you.
The only thing that would work is if the Chinese government makes a gov-takedown on this repo: GitHub gov-takedowns, in which case: Strategy if this repo gets added to GitHub gov-takedowns.
China’s GitHub censorship history is documented at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_GitHub#China
GitHub has absolute transparency on Government takedowns, which is awesome: https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/tree/master/China
This makes that repo into a list of fun things.
As of 2019-05 there had only been only two takedowns by China however, compared to dozens by Russia 俄罗斯. The Chinese commies are not big fans of transparency it seems.
The message GitHub shows on the blocked countries is:
Repository unavailable in your location
This repository is currently disabled in your location. For more details please see the takedown notice.
Here are some examples of people reacting to the blocking of https://github.com/programthink/zhao/issues/38 as per https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/78775b09e64d85f08547287cab204b48b2491192/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md from China (and likely on the entire repository, which appears to be the block granularity implemented):
See also: Programthink 编程随想
To check China only takedowns such as this, we cannot use Great Fire Analyzer, which reports the page as accessible: the only tool I could find so far to capture a page from China a bit like Web Archive was: https://www.geoscreenshot.com which takes screenshots of the websites, but the free trial is very limited, and you can’t share the screenshots. See also: Censorship monitoring.
If this happens, we well proceed to create alternative repos
china-dictatorship-3, etc. and it would be fun to see how that gets handled.
Can they add an entire user to gov-takedowns?
But remember that we also have: Mirrors of this page 这个网页的镜像, and that this can be easily rendered as a single HTML page and uploaded to any static website host.
For lists of censored information outside of GitHub see: Lists of material censored in China.
Content outside of GitHub: Lists of material censored in China.
Open letter by student activist Yue Xin (岳昕) about the events described at "China’s #MeToo: How a 20-Year-Old Rape Case Became a Rallying Cry"
https://github.com/sikaozhe1997/Xin-Yue/blob/master/letter.md in-tree translation
2018-04 https://chinadigitaltimes.net/2018/04/translation-open-letter-on-peking-university-metoo-case/ "TRANSLATION: OPEN LETTER ON PKU #METOO CASE"
Mentioned in other sections:
Non-information but also interesting:
Jekyl GitHub Pages repository that saves full text copies of censored articles:
This repository stores deleted articles.
Also accompanies a dynamic forum https://2049bbs.xyz/ which appears to be where content for the static pages gets discussed and brought up. But it possible that the website has been compromised and is leaking identity of users.
The "Terminus" in the repo name seems to be a reference to Isaac Asimov’s fictional Terminus planet which is called 端点星 in Chinese, but it is not clear where the 2049 comes from in that context. Forgetting the Chinese name, Terminus2049 could be a reference to the fictional "World War Terminus" from the Blade Runner 2049 (2019) movie, which also explains the 2049.
First commint on 2018-04-27, GitHub pages domain blocked in China at least since 2019-03 according to GreatFire 自由微博: https://zh.greatfire.org/search/all/https%3A//terminus2049.github.io but not in GitHub gov-takedowns as of 2020-04.
The full post list can be seen most conveniently at: https://github.com/Terminus2049/Terminus2049.github.io/tree/master/_posts The number of articles is insane, usually several every day.
Most articles appear to be taken from recent news at the time of writting, although there are a few from before the repo started. As of 2020-04, the oldest article was from 2016 Metoo events reported by Yue Xin (岳昕), some other topics include:
They use Jekyll tags a lot, which makes for a good grouping of the topics.
In 2020-04-25, it was reported that three Beijing-based contributors were arrested during Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查:
https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/Xinwen/7-04252020144555.html Chinese article, gives the Chinese names, and some background on the arrested people
Chen Mei (陈玫)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/玫-陈-1607b735/ a LinkedIn account with matching photo and name
Cai Wei (蔡伟)
Xiao Tang (小唐), who is also Cai Wei’s girlfriend
In 2020-06-12 their families received calls saying that they had been charged with [picking-quarrels]:
Ciro’s petition to free them: https://github.com/cirosantilli/chen-mei-cai-wei-ziyou
TODO what are their GitHub accounts? Contributions appear to be anonymized behind: https://github.com/TerminusBot That appears to be just a shared account though, not an actual bot. So how did the police find their true identities? https://github.com/Terminus2049/Terminus2049.github.io/issues/598
Explores several sentitive topics through interesting timelines with many pictures, for example:
https://www.zhihu.com/question/29279520/answer/110611566 "为什么有人一边支持审查制度一边还喜欢看美剧、日漫？" "Why are some people in favor of censorship, but at the same time still like to watch American series?" (archive)
Censorship in Zhihu
https://www.zhihu.com/question/21099730 从知乎建站以来被封禁的用户都有哪些？Since Zhihu’s founding, which accounts have been blocked on the website? (archive) (archive). The top answer contains a list, and a brief explanation of why some of them were banned:
Ciro Santilli: S/O 红人 (fStack Overflow celebrity)
"ww" in explanations means "big laugh" according to: https://hinative.com/zh-CN/questions/8349706 because a single "w" means a small laugh
several accounts are linked to one specific answer or comment
other accounts are classified as often commenting on politically sensitive material (政治敏感)
https://www.zhihu.com/question/23988890 (blocked as of 2020-04, 2016-03 archive) "全能神教在境外，法轮功也在境外，为什么他们不祸害境外人民、偏偏只祸害大陆人？"Eastern Lightning exists outside of the country [China], Falun Gong exists outside of the country, so why is is that they don’t harm people in those countries, but only harm people in Mainland China?"
https://www.zhihu.com/question/370080866/answer/1046195468 "为什么中国影视作品不允许LGBT的出现？" "Why is it not allowed to show LGBT content in Chinese film and television?" (archive)
More general censorship discussion at: Censorship 审查.
Examples of Zhihu censorship:
On this day, not only the posts made by Ciro himself were deleted: he had never asked any questions or made any Zhuanlan posts himself, only replied to those. But that content made by other users was still removed. Therefore, this is not just a simple user ban, but active censorship.
Ciro received an email from firstname.lastname@example.org:
您好，Ciro Santilli，很抱歉您的回答受到了牵连，您回答过的问题「github.com@cirosantilli 是谁维护的，为什么会收集邮箱地址？」因「违反互联网相关法律法规」已被删除。
followed by Ciro’s answer to github.com@cirosantilli 是谁维护的，为什么会收集邮箱地址？. Ciro could not login anymore, the login screen showed:
So likely someone must have used the fact that this was an edgy personally information release subject issue, and then someone from Zhihu decided to purge Ciro and anyone posts that ever talked about him.
Ciro’s blocked account:
after deletion (redirects to login page): https://web.archive.org/web/20191103071033/https://www.zhihu.com/signin?next=http://www.zhihu.com/people/cirosantilli/activities
Random unblocked control account: https://www.zhihu.com/people/lu-zhen-yu-96-65/activities (archive).
Furthermore, all questions related to Ciro, including the posts criticizing him such as https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/25600138 (archive), were taken down. This made Ciro laugh: in China, you can’t even criticize that which is censored, or your post also gets taken down.
Ciro then created an anonymous Zhihu account after this event.
Interestingly however, the following answer came up later on: Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang’s 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠（Ted Chiang）在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》？"的回答 and stayed up for at least 5 months, which indicates that Zhihu did a one-off removal, and did not set up a filter for Ciro’s name.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 was banned from Zhihu on 2018-06-25 for "politically sensitive" content.
As a result, since that time I will be answering Zhihu questions as issues in this repo with the
zhihu label: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/issues?q=label%3Azhihu+
I have however never posted anything politically sensitive on Zhihu, unless my name and profile picture have reached that distinction, and therefore the ban is clearly an unfair per-person ban.
But of course, all is fair in love and war, and politics.
Posting any sensitive content on Chinese websites is a waste of time, since it only means that they will be removed and you will waste time creating a new account, I will never do that.
The only significant content I ever posted on Zhihu is the answer to: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710/answer/122827944 which is purely technical, and trivial replies on threads that other people have started about me. Have those people been blocked like me?
My posts are still up and it does not appear to be possible for people to see that I have been banned, but whenever I try to take any action on the website a popup appears saying:
由于严重违反 知乎社区管理规定 ，该帐号已被永久禁言
This includes liking, commenting, answering, asking or trying to update my profile to say that I have been blocked.
I still get notifications however, but I am unable to reply to them, especially given that all Chinese accounts, unlike mine, have no personal identifiable information due to the understandable fear Chinese citizens have of their own government, even though such accounts might be illegal in theory: [anonymous-accounts-ban].
The only action that I can take now is to report abusive comments people make to me.
Obviously, the only effect of such ban is that I will create an anonymous account under Tor with a second cell phone if I wish to contribute in the future, and China will have less information about my political interests than before.
The private messages the website sends while banning you are:
知乎管理员 ：您好，根据用户举报，您的帐号发布了「政治敏感」内容，帐号已根据知乎社区规范被永久禁言。处理详情可查看社区服务中心。具体规范请查看知乎社区管理规定。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除
知乎管理员 ：您好，根据用户举报，您的部分个人信息由于不符合知乎用户信息管理规范已被重置。用户名可以在设置页面中修改，修改后会自动进入审核等待通过；其他个人信息可以在个人主页中编辑。感谢您对知乎社区的理解和支持。 6月25日 16:37 回复 | 删除
The ban came soon after I posted a link to my GitHub repo as a comment at: https://techcrunch.com/2018/06/21/ice-employee-list-github-linkedin/ maybe they are related.
At the same time the ban happened I received a public comment from user "Eureka" https://www.zhihu.com/people/crb912/activities | https://archive.is/1F3t6 on this thread: https://www.zhihu.com/question/46957710 | https://archive.is/PVOLd saying:
你滥用了github， 也滥用了Stackover。这个一个纯粹计算机、编程和知识分享的地方，请不要带入政治性的色彩。请不要这么做， 维护社区的非政治性、中立和技术性纯粹，是每个热爱cs的人应尽的义务。
I am unable to get a URL that shows the comment on archive.is, so I have no proof of this claim. If you trust me, then here is a screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/YCiEEax
Since I expect the ban lists to be private, I find it extremely likely that this was the user who reported me, unless both were simultaneously triggered by a third event which I have not seen. So correct me if I’m wrong here.
Users with the same user id
crb912, related "Eureka" username or same profile picture, can be found at:
By Googling the email found on the GitHub repos, we find: http://www.360doc.com/content/15/0809/11/25724933_490492490.shtml | https://archive.is/2UnGL which might, at last, contain a photo of my nemesis.
My public message to the reporter whomever he may be:
While you have also raised issues that were raised a thousand times before, and clearly answered in the FAQ, at least you were able to take some actual action leading to an actual ban, and I respect you for that.
I hope that one day you will redirect that cunning and initiative towards taking down the root cause of the problem, which are the Chinese communist Party and their Firewall themselves.
Parent section: [backlinks]
All Zhihu posts related to Ciro Santilli were deleted following Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03. Some had been deleted before.
2019-03: https://www.zhihu.com/question/316700162 (archive before deletion, (archive after deletion)) "如何看待Github Trending上Ciro Santilli的众多开源项目？". Due to: https://github.com/cirosantilli/x86-bare-metal-examples being featured on Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19428700
2017-03 https://sololand.moe/2017/03/06/brain-fucked-user-on-stackoverflow (archive) by https://github.com/brglng/ (archive) "StackOverflow 上的一个智障用户"
Mentions not yet deleted as of writing:
220.127.116.11.1. Answer to the Zhihu question "How do you evaluate Ted Chiang’s 'Evil Chinese Characters' essay?" "如何评价姜峯楠（Ted Chiang）在纽约客上的随笔《坏汉字》？"的回答
Contains reactions to the post: 坏汉字 by Ted Chiang, and this answer says that even though Ciro Santilli is amazingly smart, he cannot be bothered to learn Chinese characters, quoting Ciro’s comments from: Does Ciro Santilli speak Chinese? 三西猴会说中文吗？.
This post was interesting because it happened after Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03, which indicates that Zhihu did not setup an automated "Ciro Santilli" filter.
Asked in 2016-09 after Ciro published: https://github.com/cirosantilli/all-github-commit-emails
Deleted after Ciro Santilli’s Zhihu purge 2019-11-03. Ciro’s answer before deletion:
你用的git config user.email当然是公开的：谁都会git clone就知道了。
GitHub 更新他们的隐私声明GitHub Privacy Statement
Quora is a generally shitty website, with mechanisms that allow wumaos to quench freedom of speech.
Ironically, as usual, is it also blocked in China:
2018-03 news coverage https://www.businessinsider.com/china-banned-zhihu-over-censorship-2018-3?r=US&IR=T
Examples of activity related to Ciro Santilli:
2016 Ciro Santilli’s profile was blocked because it had Chinese keywords on both my username and credentials. Justification: "non-English".
Leach websites that picked it up: https://kvalster.se/Falu/Uthyres/Lagenheter/Gammelvagen_49_1417351
Quora is also shitty because wumaos can downvote your answer privately regardless of reputation and make it become collapsed as "Answer may need improvement", which means it goes to the bottom and readers have to click an "expand collapsed answers" button to see it, so that very few people will ever see it.
Then have to appeal and wait for moderators to evaluate it.
This happened for example at: https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-I-walked-around-Beijing-with-a-t-shirt-that-said-freedom-of-speech-is-pretty-great/answer/Ciro-Santilli (see also What happens if you wear a T-shirt with censored words in China?).
Ciro appealed in 2020-03-10 and the answer was reinstated on day later, but by then the question was already not being suggested as much to readers, and the other wumao answers (which criticize the USA rather than answering the question about China).
While there is some probability that the answers themselves are not wumaos, their upvoters almost certainly are and must be investigated.
Other shitty aspects of Quora include:
block Wayback Machine 网站时光机 archives with their robots.txt, gotta use archive.is
automatically add random topics that you don’t care about to your suggestions, with no easy way to prevent that.
questions cannot have more than one sentence. There used to be a question body, but it was replaced with a "link for context". Ridiculous.
As a result, on the few occasions that Ciro posts on Quora, all content will also be mirrored here. Ciro’s China Quora answers include:
http://archive.is/WzIcg: a Han supremacist!
Ciro Santilli’s appearances on PTT:
2020-01-31: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1580484253.A.37A.html "stackoverflow菁英卻痛恨中國" by "Eric0605 (我還有點餓)" on the Gossiping board
2016-10-03 https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Soft_Job/M.1478104872.A.916.html "Github也出現網軍了嗎?" by gocreating on the Soft_Job board
Archaic, fucking impossible to learn how to use. Ciro Santilli hasn’t managed yet, so if you want a reply from him, open an issue on this repo instead.
TODO: can anyone comment, without having a Taiwanese university address? This suggests no: https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/1etbvb/anyone_on_pttcc_advice_suggestions/ Also asked at:
Maybe the email requirement is the only way to prevent wumaos from flooding the website.
Normal people see it on a web viewer hosted on: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/index.html
However it is fucking impossible to web archive that web interface because there is a cookie I’m 18-years-old confirmation before the first connection.
This shows how to connect for the first time: https://www.ptt.cc/index.firstbbs.html
One attempt is:
luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt.cc
But the main page says:
"本站目前暫停開放新帳號註冊。" "This site is currently suspended for new account registration."
And you try
new it says: "目前無法註冊帳號![按任意鍵繼續]" "Account cannot be registered at this time."
OK, ptt2 went further:
luit -encoding big5 telnet ptt2.cc
Then there is a registration process that seem to require you to prove that you work at Taiwanese university, but not sure it is mandatory to post.
But I couldn’t find Gossiping there either, which is the only board that matters, so not sure it is on this server.
Do the names mean anything? Are they owned? The fact that they are Alexa top 1000 domains is just so funny, Google redirects for China.
Alexa top 1000 domains and blocked in China as per GreatFire 自由微博:
https://library.ac.cn/ large list of university Google/Google Scholar/Wikipedia/Twitter mirrors maintained by Chinese university students under an unified system. Each one asks for verification that you are from that university via some little known fact about the university:
https://g.luciaz.me from Zhejiang University "需要验证您是否来自浙江大学". Question: "请问浙江大学内网最大的论坛中, 每天发帖量最大的版块是哪个?" (Ask your colleagues on the internal forum, what is the most popular section of the forum every day?)
No HTTPS?!?! Brains?!?!
Lists of mirrors:
The commies are not a fan. But as someone once told me: the commies are not a fan of a bunch of things!
As mentioned at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_China there are only a few state approved churches under total CCP control, and the others are forbidden. For example one of them is called the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association! God and CCP on the same sentence. Pope Pius XII excommunicated people from that organization who were appointing new Bishops!
2018-12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzWApdCNdik "100 Christians detained in China crackdown" published by CNN
2018-09 Vatican Christian pope makes deal with China
2018-01 Chinese authorities demolish Christian mega-church "Golden Lampstand" sparking fears of religious persecution
Figure 82. China’s Golden Lampstand Church being demolished. Source.
2016 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/27/world/asia/china-zhejiang-christians-pastor-crosses.html pastor 14 years jail
Yes, gay people are also discriminated to different degrees in Western countries, and even legally prohibited notably in the Islamic world.
Therefore, all gay people must be against the CCP:
2020-01-07 https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/why-china-raising-prospect-same-sex-marriage-n1109471 "Why is China raising the prospect of same-sex marriage?"
2018 Weibo temporary homosexual ban:
2018-04-16 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/16/china-weibo-bans-homosexual-content-protest "China’s Weibo reverses ban on 'homosexual' content after outcry", hashtags
2017-07-16 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40610679 "Chinese gay video ban sparks online backlash"
2017-06-30 https://www.whatsonweibo.com/new-rules-online-videos-china-no-displays-homosexuality/ "New Rules for Online Videos in China: "No Displays of Homosexuality""
2016-03-04 https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship "China bans depictions of gay people on television". One of the most prominent series banned was Addicted (2016, 上瘾).Figure 85. Widely distributed still from the Addicted 2016 series which was banned showing a presumably gay couple lying in bed. Source.
With the support of the Communist Party to Qigong movements, it reached 70 million believers in 1999, at which point the commies decided they had to be shut down and banned the religion.
Li fled to the USA and lives near New York, where he continues to run the religion as of 2020.
The main reason Ciro Santilli 三西猴 emphasizes FLG is that it shows how the CCP can mercilessly crush a 70M strong group (according to CCPs own statistics) out of a population of 1.3B in 2000, i.e. 5% of the population, and of course not because of Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?, since Ciro is completely and totally unbiased.
If that number is correct, Ciro wonders curious what you would consider an important movement? :-)
Anything much larger would take down the government and change China’s history forever.
OK, maybe the fact that 69M of those were likely old ladies didn’t help much either. Tip to next prophet: make something that appeals to aspiring military officers.
Let’s try to gather some well sourced footage showing huge numbers of believers on the streets:
https://www.aparchive.com/search?query=falun%20gong&from=1&orderBy=OldestFirst#7e34a6 AP Archive: could not find a good one there
rehashes of Falun Gong propaganda videos with good footage:
Here are some things that he doesn’t like about Falun Gong for example: Things Ciro Santilli dislikes about Falun Gong.
Ciro believes Falun Gong can be split into two parts, like any other religion:
the "self-help" "how to live well" part, including the physical exercises and meditation, which cannot be proven or disproven, like any other self-help and political opinion
the metaphysics, most notably, Li Hongzhi is a living God, and all other non verifiable things he claims like aliens, alternate dimensions, etc., see:
Ciro thinks that FLG’s self-help part could potentially be good for you, just like many other meditative practices such as Yoga, Buddhist meditation, Tai chi, deep Catholic prayer, etc. As far as he has heard, all of it sounded good standard religious self-help: be peaceful, be good to others, etc. Like any other well managed religion, FLG does have good things to offer, see also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwoO7Nekmpw&t=445 Christine Marie, founder of Voices for Dignity which takes care of FLDS leaves, was interviewed in VICE documentary "Polygamist Mafia: Escaping The Kingston Clan". While Ciro does not believe Falun Gong is as extreme as FLDS, he does really like the things Christine says. E.g., she calls "cult leaders" with the neutral religious form "prophet", just like Ciro, and mentions the important fact that "And the another thing that the public doesn’t realise, is that there are also beautiful thing within those communities". This is the mindset of tolerance that the world needs..
However Ciro believes that the metaphysics is all complete and utter bullshit, child stories made up by Li Hongzhi, and just as real as Father Christmas or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Also the "obligation to reach Salvation" is boring like for many other prophetic religion.
From a purely strategic point of view, the metaphysics is a trade-off:
some people will believe you are a freaking living God
others will laugh at you and say you are a charlatan
It may be argued however that Li played this card beautifully: since all Chinese power is concentrated in the CCP, any non-CCP movement dies out, so he was better off long run playing the metaphysics game. The only other choice would have been joining the CCP.
To Ciro it is obvious that Falun Gong is just one of the many very similar movements that came out of the Qi Gong Boom, such as: Zhong Gong 中华养生益智功 (中功). It just happens to be the one that survived due to better luck and strategy.
The absolute truth is already known by the prophet, although he does not want to give clear evidence for reasons: FLG never makes any predictions that can be reasonably verified by non-believers, and Ciro finds that utterly boring. There’s no fun in living in a world where the absolute truth has been found.
For these reasons, Ciro cannot bother to read even into the self-help part: how can you read that when there is so much bullshit every other page?
Ciro would really like to know if Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) really believes in FLG himself, or is just a complete manipulating charlatan, but unfortunately we will never know that. Just imagine if before he died he published a video saying: "it was a joke, gotcha!". Now that would be epic!
Since Ciro is good-natured, it’s hard for him to believe that he doesn’t believe in anything, how can anyone be that evil? Maybe he believes in part of it, but made up some stuff to sell it better, maybe with good intentions that selling the fake part would also lead more people to see the good part?
Like any other prophetic religion, FLG gives tiny evidence that you can directly feel through meditation. The energies, which Ciro believe are real feelings. And then using that entry point asks you to believe a whole lot more, that you can’t feel: FLG never makes any predictions that can be reasonably verified by non-believers.
This becomes especially strong when a critical mass of believers is reached, and then they start interpreting all sorts of events as miracles, and you start to believe other believers without questioning them, and a circle is formed.
This post by a former believer gives what Ciro feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro’s observations: Me and Li by Ben Hurley (2017).
And yet, all those who love freedom, must oppose FLG ban, or be themselves enslaved by tyrants themselves: Why does Ciro Santilli say that democracy is a religion just like Falun Gong?.
In any case, at least FLG got one thing right: the commies are evil, and we have to get rid of them.
See also: FLG is fake 法轮功是假的.
Ciro has summarized his thoughts about Falun Gong 法輪大法 at: Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗？ and Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？
If asked if they follow a religion, most FLG believers will say "no", and Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) explicitly says that in What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?, e.g. https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/jjyz52.htm:
Falun Dafa is not a religion, but future generations will regard it as one.
E.g. they call themselves "practitioners" or "students" (学员) instead of "believers", and their peers "practitioner colleagues" (同修). And if you say you don’t believe in their FLG metaphysics bullshit, they will often reply "he does not understand". To them, it is not about belief, the truth is clear, and you just don’t see it yet. To this you should reply: "and you don’t understand that Li Hongzhi is a master manipulator dude who deceived you and millions of others".
But Ciro Santilli 三西猴 strongly believes that this is just a language barrier/FLG propaganda question (see also "Different levels of truth" from Orange Papers), and that 99.99% of people in the West would classify FLG as a religion just like Christianity 基督教 if they are told about FLG’s beliefs:
absolute truth comes from an enlightened prophet, who is perfect and has superhuman abilities
weekly in-person meetings (学法 "study the Fa", or more verbosely "study the law (of the universe (of Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志)))"）or daily online meetings where they read from a sacred book, either written by the prophet, or transcribed from his presentations to disciples, including the disciples questions, much like traditional Chinese texts like The Analects of Confucius, just like Christians read from the Bible over and over again.
In both cases, some believers claim that sometimes even reading the same text again gives them new insight.
prescribed daily meditation exercise hours, somewhat like Muslim Salah prayers which they call 发正念 (fa1 zheng4 nian4), which means "send righteous thoughts". They seem to believe that this meditation helps external good magic things happen, so it is half meditation half prayer.
longer "less mandatory" Qigong-like (气功) exercises followed by a meditation (打坐) and which they collectively call 修炼 "practice austerities". note that this term is borrowed from Taoism but possibly with different precise meaning. There are exactly 5 exercises (meditation being the fifth) some with a fun supernatural name, on What are the canonical Falun Gong texts? https://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2006_4.htm "The Falun Gong Practice System":
Buddha Stretching a Thousand Arms
Falun Standing Stance
Penetrating the Cosmic Extremes
Falun Cosmic Orbit
higher intelligent beings
some believers who practice really well can also get some "supernatural powers" (功能), but not everyone develops them (luckily only so many people are that manipulable!), and you are not allowed to show your poweres to "ordinary people" of course, from What are the canonical Falun Gong texts? https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/zfl_34.htm:
What will one develop in the course of his cultivation? He will develop supernatural powers which are called supernormal capabilities for short.
Do you want to use them among ordinary people? You are absolutely not allowed to use them among ordinary people at will.
See also "You don’t get the promised goodies" from Orange Papers ** other dimensions, which some select people with vision superpowers can see, this being one of the supernatural powers that may be developed, the "Celestial Eye" https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/zfl_21.htm:
A cultivator of a particular attainment level can only see the scenes on that level. He cannot see or believe the truth beyond that level. Therefore, he only believes what he has seen on his own level. When he has not gone up to such a high level of cultivation, he would think those things do not exist and are incredible.
+ and the "Supernormal Capability of Remote Sight" is a closely related ability: https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/zfl_22.htm:
A supernormal capability directly connected with the Celestial Eye is called the Remote Sight. Someone says that he can see scenes in Beijing, in America or scenes on the other side of the earth while sitting here.
+ And finally there is also the past-future vision ability "Supernormal Capability of Total Recall" https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/zfl_23.htm:
There is another supernormal capability which has a direct relation with the Celestial Eye. It is called Total Recall. Now there are six supernormal capabilities which are generally recognized in the world. They include the Celestial Eye, Remote Sight, and Total Recall. What is Total Recall? It is a supernormal capability with which one can know a person's future and past; if the ability is great, one can know the rise and decline of a society; if the ability is even greater, one can see the Law of the change of the whole celestial body.
aliens that look like humans are amongst us, they gave us part of our modern technology, some are evil, others not so evil. E.g. https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/lectures/19980530L.html:
Science, however, is not something gods imparted to humans. Instead, it was passed down to humans by alien beings inside the Three Realms, and for the purpose of controlling humankind. People’s belief in it has surpassed everything. But I tell you that precisely because of its shallowness, this science has caused the degeneration of morality in human society.
Despite this however, Falun Gong benefits from information technology enormously. For example, many believers use the Internet daily to study the Fa, and to organize their media outlets.
As Jesus put it in Matthew 18:20:
For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them
which highlights the critical believer mass effect of reinforced beliefs.
Ciro predict that when Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) dies, the claim will be that he went to another dimension so save us all, therefore putting this final judgment on hold, a bit like Jesus.
The Falun Gong organization also specifies guidelines on how to preach, although these might not be canon, even though if they are not, it is extremely likely that LHZ is directly involved in their specification
Falun Gong has also used phone call preaching.
All of this is part of their effort to "save people (救人)", i.e. convert them to Falun Gong.
non-believers are fundamentally different from believers. Although non-followers who do good things are actually doing FLG without knowing it.
FLG has a specific terminology for non-believers, which is translated in English as "ordinary people" (常人), as opposed to Falun Gong Believers, which Li calls Falun Gong disciples (大法弟子).
Like other aspects of FLG however, this appears in other religions, e.g. my mother mentioned the funny term used by her Protestant’s group term but Ciro forgot it, and you can see it in Harry Potter as well: The Muggles.
You can support FLG by doing X and Y, it is not mandatory, but why wouldn’t you since you are saving other people?. Explaining that Falun Gong is good contrary to CCP propaganda also known as "Fa-rectification" in the English translation jargon.
Maybe FLG will make you healthier, but no promises, but it will make you a better person, and that’s why you should do it, but if you really really believe, you get healthier. But people who seemed to be believers also die, because deep within their hearts, there was a belief problem.
the CCP is evil, not figuratively, but literally as in they are representatives of, or evil supernatural beings themselves. E.g. Jiang Zemin 江泽民 (1989-2002) is actually an evil frog in some alternate dimension, literally, not just memecally. The Chinese Government is literally responsible for creating Covid-19. They give the CCP too much credit. The CCP are just a bunch of lazy and greedy people like you and me.
From this, it is obvious that Falun Gong is just a New Age (ttps://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/新纪元运动[新纪元运动]) syncretic religion combining Qigong, Buddhism, some aspects of Christianity 基督教, and whatever other crazy things Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) believes in.
Or you could call Falun Gong a cult, which is nothing but a new/small religion with negative connotation, and thus meaningless.
FLG is very similar to Scientology in Ciro’s view: a new religion that mixes elements of both old and new. And just like any other religion, their practice must be allowed.
But consider this: how to classify what a religion is?
Some would answer: science is what every one can perceive with their own senses.
But FLG followers claim to feel FLG energies when doing the exercises, and a few of them have the power of seeing the other dimensions.
On the other hand, how many of your friends have experienced the laws of quantum field theory or general relativity in a very direct way?
And aren’t pro-democracy believers also taking actions based solely on a shared belief, possibly organized by a pro-democracy leader?
From a purely strategic point of view, the "religion" denomination would be:
good to FLG because the concept of freedom of religion carries considerable weight in the West
bad for FLG because people who already have a religion would be less likely to try it out and start believing
Falun Gong’s recruitment strategy is to focus on the exercises first, and in particular its health benefits and then as some people start to feel things, they start introducing the metaphysics.
See also: "Different levels of truth" from Orange Papers.
Falun Gong does share many many many characteristics with what many people classify as a "cult", see e.g.: Orange Papers, so "yes" could be a reasonably answer.
Ciro therefore believes that the only reasonable stances are to either:
be against all religions (including Christianity and Falun Gong), and classify all of them as Cults
allow both Christianity and Falun Gong to exist, and support religious freedom
but not "oppose Falun Gong" and support Christianity.
Some people will say: Falun Gong is a cult because it is too new and therefore obviously fake!
So, if I tell a lie today, will it become true in a thousand years? Or a truth today become a lie? The Romans called Christianity 基督教 the "Cult of Jesus"!
Others will say: Falun Gong is a cult because its prophet is still alive!
But then, worry not, because Li Hongzhi was born in 1951, and therefore will almost certainly die by 2040, unless he truly is a living God as he claims.
Now, for the really important question of weather Falun Gong is a "good" or "bad" religion, Ciro Santilli 三西猴 has seen absolutely nothing in it that is worse than any other major religion say, e.g., Christianity 基督教.
Some possibly neutral Cult analysts analyzing if FLG is good or bad:
In the end however, since there is nothing obviously completely creepy about FLG, all such discussions are basically equivalent to "is the Left better than the Right", and cannot be answered.
One interesting linguistic aspect is that "cult" normally translates in Chinese as "邪教" which means "Evil religion".
As mentioned before, Ciro does not believe that FLG is an "Evil Cult", just another "Acceptable Cult", and therefore would not use "邪教" to describe it.
The word "Cult" is much more ambiguous in the West however, and does not necessarily imply "Evil" in certain contexts, just "worship".
For example, People from Ciro Santilli 三西猴's mother’s Protestant Church in Brazil, all say that they are going "to the cult" when referring to when they are going to church to pray, sing and read the Bible together.
And obviously, the origin of the word "cult" is exactly the same as that of "cultivate" as in "cultivate the crops" (which is also how Falun Gong believers refer to practicing Falun Gong: "cultivation practice"). All of those come from the Latin "colō", which means simply "to protect".
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This is an amazing website talking about Cults and many other things! TODO who is the author? Copyright says by "A. Orange". Is it the real name, or just a pun for "I ate an orange"?
And the website also has a Free Tibet flag at the bottom.
Many of the points highlighted at are very very interesting and Ciro feels that they apply strongly to Falun Gong 法輪大法:
"Instant Community" and "Instant intimacy": you instantly join the cult family, and are very very likely to believe or at least consider anything anyone else in the cult says about their religious experiences, no matter how far-fetched, even though it is not canon
Conversely, this also poses a risk for the Cult Leader, as new community ideas can spread very quickly, and if you try to fight them off, they might create a Schism.
"Cult-speak": see also "Newspeak" from Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel (AKA "1984") 乔治·奥威尔 一九八四 (1949) and some common Falun Gong Cult-speak see: Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？
"Personal testimonies of earlier converts": see "experience sharing" at Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？
"The group and its members are special", "Enemy-making and Devaluing the Outsider": see: "ordinary people (常人)" at Does Ciro Santilli believe in or practice Falun Gong? 三西猴相信法轮功吗？
"Making cult members work long hours for free": yes, many FLG members work long long hours for free. Why wouldn’t you if you are saving people’s souls?
"No Humor": see also Funny 搞笑
"Different Levels of Truth", "Deceptive Recruiting": Falun Gong people don’t talk freely about their funny beliefs like aliens are amongst us to outsiders. Rather, they lure you in with the exercises first. Ciro has personally heard the following said many times: "you should not tell this to non-believers, they are not ready for this truth yet".
"Front groups, masquerading recruiters, hidden promoters, and disguised propagandists": Falun Gong media 法轮功媒体
"The Guru is always right", "You are always wrong", "No Graduates", "The Guru Is Extra-Special", "Everybody else needs the guru to boss him around, but nobody bosses the guru around", "The guru criticizes everybody else, but nobody criticizes the guru.": obviously: Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志)
"Group-think, Suppression of Dissent, and Enforced Conformity in Thinking"
There are also however some points which Ciro feels don’t apply, and Ciro praises Falun Gong for those:
"Dual Purposes": not much of that, most of their propaganda is "we are persecuted unfairly by China", not "let’s help the poor"
"The End Justifies The Means": Li has made it clear that believers must follow the laws of their countries. Cults that violate this tend to not last as long, this is the smart move for cult leaders.
And some points which Ciro feels apply which were mentioned in some other article, (or maybe in Orange Papers but he couldn’t find them, TODO find reference?)
"No time for fun": how could you possibly spend leisure time watching television, etc. when you could be saving the world instead?
"Focus on the persecution of the Cult": while obviously people who have been persecuted have the right, and almost an obligation, to look for help and share their stories, it is also clear that this is a selling point for the Cult.
Why would a nation state attack a Cult? This could give the impression that it is because there is something powerful and true in the Cult, and actually menaces this nation state.
For example, Falun Gong puts huge emphasis on its persecution in China, much like the Martyrdom of the Catholic Saints is highly emphasised.
"Careful control of your imsage": the cult leader is a master at controlling how people view him.
One aspect of that, is to limit your public appearances to situations in which you have the most control, and notably being surrounded by your believers.
Li does not announce where he is going, even though he is followed by millions: he just shows up, and local believers whisper to one another and come to see him.
This reminded Ciro of the following 2012 video he watched, in which VICE was allowed to visit and interview Siberian prophet Vissarion (real name Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop Серге́й Анато́льевич То́роп, AKA "The Russian Jesus"), and they note how well he controlled his appearance.
This is especially interesting, because the website does not mention Falun Gong at all it seems: it really seems that all those cults are very similar.
It appears that Falun Gong cannon is present at: https://falundafa.org/
The two main books are:
"China Falun Gong" (中国法轮功) AKA just "Falun Gong" published in April 1993. 2006 English translation https://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg_2006.htm. Wikipedia comments:
Falun Gong is an introductory book that discusses qigong, introduces the principles of the practice, and provides illustrations and explanations of the exercises.
According to Wikipedia:
Zhuan Falun is the main teaching and the most comprehensive work; it is an edited version of Li’s nine-lecture series, 54 of which he taught across China between 1992 and 1994.
Believers very often read from this text when they "study the Fa" in their gatherings. They often read one chapter per session, and can often just say "we read the Nth teaching" (第N讲, so apparently each chapter corresponds to a separate talk).
It contains LHZ's approved texts/speech transcriptions, which are sacred.
The only sacred version is Chinese which is a sacred language, and of which there is only one perfect revision. Islam also appears to place great importance on the sacredness of Arabic in which Mohamed first spoke, perhaps even more: https://nationalinterest.org/feature/plight-uyghurs-why-muslims-wont-speak-their-brethren-112466 Protestants and later the Catholic church, have moved away from such really bad strategy however, the accessibility of Christianity is seen on the entrance of many many churches which have a sign "ALL are welcome". Well played.
The English translation is made by followers, and gets new revisions to reduce translation imperfections.
However, the Chinese language seems to be fundamentally sacred, and there might never be a sacred English version approved by LHZ.
LHZ is of course a de-facto God with superpowers, and can of course speak all languages, but for reasons he didn’t just write an English translation himself.
This is a reasonable command to download the English cannon for grepping:
wget -r -l inf --no-remove-listing --no-clobber --no-parent -w 2 https://en.falundafa.org/falun-dafa-books.html
TODO: need to find a way to wrap lines, otherwise grep might fail on sentences.
But funnily the Canon books appear to all be copyrighted, likely "to avoid other people from modifying his sacred text", which is funny since the dude’s the voice of absolute truth of the universe, but you still gotta copyright that I guess.
Nothing else is canonical. LHZ seems to have said that there are enlightened followers, but has not specified who, so we can’t derive canon from anyone else.
Ciro Santilli doesn’t support FLG specifically, only freedom of religion. See of course: Does Ciro Santilli support FLG just because his wife and mother-in-law do it?.
Ciro uses it in his usernames simply because it is the most banned and censored one in China today.
He considers FLG a religion like any other, and he is against its ban, as that of all other religions.
He also believes that freedom of speech and democracy imply that FLG and other religions will exist. If you want freedom, you have to accept other people’s choices.
Otherwise, democracy and communism can also be considered as religions, and banned.
This will obviously vary from believer to believer, but here is my experience.
Like any other religion that is taken seriously, they spend several hours per week doing their standard religious activities: Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？.
I never seen them, or anyone we know from FLG say or do something that I consider morally incorrect because of FLG.
This does not prevent my wife from working normally.
My mother-in-law, who is retired, dedicates all her time to Falun Gong when she is not taking care of the house.
My mother is also religious (Protestant), and I get a very similar feeling about both groups.
Like other religions, Falun Gong gives them meaning in life, and I admire that they pursue their belief energetically.
I much prefer that my mother-in-law does Falun Gong, which is a noble meaningful goal, rather than watch stupid crap on television.
Also, although I am agnostic, I also live in a similar way.
My religion is that of science and technology, and I pursue it fervently by trying to learn and teach it and spend several hours a week doing that, even when it does not give me money immediately.
If I pursue my meaning, why should I prevent anyone from pursuing theirs?
Previously, my wife and mother-in-law would sometimes try to persuade me to learn FLG, which was annoying.
But every time I told them very clearly that I know where to download the books if I want to, and that I may never want to read them, and that my wife must either accept this fact or leave me.
And they have accepted that: they think I’m a good person, and they can accept that you can also be a good person even without doing FLG.
I do feel Falun Gong makes my mother-in-law more reluctant to use or actively search for medication or treatment. But I think it is also linked to the fact that she didn’t have a very good education or a good health system around. However, if we give her something, she will take it. My wife does not have any resistance to medication.
One thing that does worry me is that my mother in law sleeps too little every night, doing one of the Falun Gong meditations late in the evening, and then waking up very early to a long series of reading and exercise sessions.
He was not very precise here, the precise term is "jail". He was not talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor Unfortunately it is not possible to edit a Tweet.
I believe that it has changed.
But isn’t that the case of every cultural religious movement that migrates to a completely new culture?
Main points which may have changed:
It has become more organized.
But why shouldn’t they organize to defend themselves now that they have the chance without being put into prison?
The CCP is highly organized and has way more resources.
Less emphasis is given to the religious/mystical aspect, and more to the corporal exercises, and health aspect.
This may be because people in the "West" are:
are "scientific-educated" atheists who wouldn’t go for a "religion"
already have other religions, which would view FLG as a taboo
Also maybe only the richest and most educated believers managed to escape China, and thus the movement carried that bias outside China.
If you know more ways in which it may have changed, let me know.
But once again, we can know nothing for sure about the past in China because of censorship.
Even if you saw something yourself, how can you be sure that it is representative?
And if it has changed, now that it has changed, maybe China should unban it?
1.5M USD in 2010 for a FLG controlled internet freedom group https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8678760.stm
But well, if you are going to do something anyway, and someone offers you money, why wouldn’t you take it?
Taking the money does of course give a "bad impression" that someone is trying to buy influence, but does it in itself imply that you are doing something bad?
But do you really think that the US government paid that to buy influence in FLG? What would they force upon that FLG group that they didn’t already want to do? Isn’t it more likely that the US government wanted them to continue doing exactly what they were doing?
Every government funds groups it supports, it is an all out war I suppose. Compare that to the propaganda funds of the CCP.
What about the funding of political campaigns, which vastly outnumbers 1.5M USD every year?
This might be a bad law that should be changed.
It was perfectly legal for Nazis to kill Jews. Does it make that right?
But many times, the commies don’t even bother passing a law, they just fuck people anyways without one: [rule-of-law].
The same can be argued about any other religion or political belief of type: it is better if we organize society in this or that way.
How can you disprove their belief, when as in any other religion, every affirmation made hinges on "miracles only happen around when true believers are around" or "only true believers can perceive evidence in their hearts / minds directly". He died of cancer or Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查? Not a true believer, deep withing his heart, something was wrong.
Conversely, do you understand the full sequence of experiments that imply quantum field theory? Have you seen videos of those experiments? Have you attended live demonstrations? Do you understand the construction of the experimentation apparatus? Yet, why do you believe it?
More importantly: what do you propose that should be done about it? Should we kill followers? Or is jail enough?
Also do let me know when you have achieved irrefutable proof that democracy/freedom of speech are the optimal ways to organize the government: Why does Ciro Santilli say that democracy is a religion just like Falun Gong?.
See also: Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？
Notably, Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) explicitly forbids display of magical powers gained by believers to non-believers: [flg-supernatural-powers] for "reasons". What a convenient coincidence, that prevents any verifiability!
The closest claims to observable Ciro has heard are:
when pictures are taken in sacred events, notably Shen Yun Performing Arts 神韵艺术团, sometimes you can see magic Falun energy wheels in the pictures
in the homes of some followers, small magic good plants-like fungi-like things have grownFigure 92. Image of the magic good small plants that grew on a believer’s home. They took a photo and it published on Minghui as a 2018 Chinese New Year good wish page to Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志). If any biologist reads this, for the love of God send me a Wikipedia page with the possible species. TODO transcribe the Chinese. Source.
the sacred books of some believers had a closed lotus flower when they were bought, and after several years, the flower opened
but Ciro suspects they are not even canon, just believer oral culture.
Of course, like every other religion, reality happens to be is constructed in a way that prevents non-believers to verify anything with their eyes in a reproducible way.
Or a Jesus put it in Luke 4:
Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
"If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written:
“'He will command his angels concerning you,
and they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"
Jesus answered him, "It is also written: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
Ah good old prophets, their tricks haven’t changed a bit in 2 thousand years! This is why Ciro Santilli 三西猴 follows instead the religion of science and freedom of speech, because those religions instead say:
Test your God. Test your God a billion times. And if your God proves wrong just once, disbelieve it.
The Pontius Pilate Scene from The Last Temptation of Christ (1988) comes to mind, quotes:
Pontius: It’s also said that you do miracles? Is this good magic or bad magic? Can we have some sort of demonstration?
Jesus: No, I’m not a trained animal, I’m not a magician.
Pontius: Well, that’s disappointing. This means that you are just another Jewish politician.
Pontius: It’s one way to change the way that people live, but you want to change the way that they think and that they feel.
Jesus: All I’m saying is the change will happen with love. Not with killing.
Pontius: Either way it’s dangerous. It’s against Rome. It’s against the way the world is. In killing or loving, it’s all the same. It simply doesn’t matter how you want to change things, we don’t want them changed.
Futurama also has an interesting take:
Ciro know that, and that supporting FLG is "bad" for his public image with most Chinese, including those that are against censorship.
But without censorship, there will be democracy, and with democracy FLG followers will have voting rights, and FLG will become legal.
Ciro thinks that the situation is very similar to Scientology in the USA today: most people dislike it, but believe that you can believe whatever you want.
Democracy and Communism can also be considered as religions and persecuted.
Isn’t it convenient when a dictatorship gets rid of those weirdos for you? But not so much when suddenly you or your family is the weirdo…
If you are not ready to accept the beliefs of others, dictatorship is the only choice for you.
It is also interesting to note how Falun Gong is a good source of Censorship circumvention 翻墙 material.
Because it also specifies irrational and fundamental aspects of how one should live, notably voting and freedom of speech.
The Guru, his church, and his teachings are always right, and above criticism, and beyond reproach.
In some cults, the guru is dead, but the principle is the same. I use the word "guru" loosely here; in many cults the charismatic leader has the title of minister, priest, yogi, swami, prophet, or all-knowing wise man. Or even, "Chairman Mao." In any case, the leader is always right.
And they also claim that Alcoholics Anonymous could be characterized as a cult. Very cool. What else could be powerful enough to get you off a physical addiction, than a mental addiction, right?
Ban FLG, and you have banned democracy.
Accept democracy, and you will have FLG.
There is no in-between.
Then they link to the Taping Rebellion:
Of course FLG was a threat to the stability of the country.
It is, as Ciro Santilli 三西猴 has said, a highly organized political power: People from movement X are only in it for political power.
However, democracy is a threat to the stability country in the exact same way:
Anything that goes against a dictatorship is a threat to the stability of the country.
Ciro Santilli 三西猴 heard this a few times, and I believe it has happened.
But I don’t see how this is relevant at all to this discussion:
if they are not really FLG believers, they should be prosecuted, but this says nothing about the real FLG believers,
if they are, then why wouldn’t they seek a VISA, since they are in constant threat of going to jail or worse in China, and the USA law gives them that right?
Either direct suicide or dying because of not taking medication.
First, I’m not saying I don’t believe you, and I’m sorry about what happened.
But your testimony is worthless unless you give the following:
clear unique personal identification
This is because the CCP has thousands of wumaos who could make fake reports.
There are basically two ways to do that:
your testimony is done in video form on YouTube clearly showing your face as you make it
links between a notable social media presence that is hard to achieve, e.g. Twitter with many followers, Stack overflow with a lot of rep, and the account
Either of those must contain / link to information that uniquely identifies you. Generally, full name, city and date of birth is enough.
a precise testimony that states exactly what you saw happen with your own eyes, or heard from people that are very close to you.
The testimony must include:
when the events happened
where they happened, in which city at the very least
the full names of who did what
This is to:
make it easier to verify the truth of the event
uniquely identify the event so we don’t count a single event multiple times
If you do provide all of the above, I add your report to a list of reports that I will maintain. This list does not exist yet because there were no valid reports yet.
Next consider this:
are you sure that Falun Gong made the person do the bad thing, and that the person wouldn’t have done it anyway?
Did someone from Falun Gong told the person to do it?
I bet that if you look into patients of psychiatrists, you will find more suicides than average. So should we ban psychiatry?
are you sure that the order came from LHZ, and that it was not just some disgruntled local leader using Falun Gong for his personal madness and doing things he did not approve?
Branch Davidians were inspired by Christianity 基督教. So should we ban Christianity? What about the majority of Christians who have never done anything bad?
only statistics have any meaning, and it would require a very large number of reports to make up statistics, so you will likely be wasting your time. I will do my part and maintain a list however.
if we ask for FLG believers to compile a list of horrors they have suffered, which they have already been doing since the start of the persecution, I bet that their list will be much longer than yours, because they are so well organized
How much proof do you think they would be able to get when there is no freedom of the press?
Do you think that forbidding a 70 million person religion could have gone smoothly?
Do you think the thousands of personal accounts of human rights violations that exist are all fake, and don’t indicate that many, many more have taken place but fallen under censorship?
Conversely, there is no reliable proof that FLG is bad as claimed by CCP that has been verified by international media.
By this logic, everyone should go to jail. The law should only punish individuals.
The communist party, which has had continuous power since 1949, killed millions during the Cultural Revolution 文化大革命 (1966-1976). Surely they must be banned, no?
But the CCP has changed so much since those days, I hear you say.
I agree. And so has Falun Gong.
See also: "thoughtcrime" from Nineteen Eighty-Four: A Novel (AKA "1984") 乔治·奥威尔 一九八四 (1949).
Or if you like shitty movies: Minority Report (2002).
Yes, convincing someone to do something bad is as bad as doing it yourself of course, and must be forbidden.
Now proceed to prove that FLG made and will continue making people do bad things, going through:
For every desire of the masses, there will be amoral representatives that will step to use that power.
Still, those representatives cannot gain power if there is no backing desire from society.
The only advantage of democracy, is that those representatives have to pretend harder to do things for that group to retain their power.
Falun Gong believers obviously have the right to do politics, just like any other person, and Ciro greatly encourages this.
But Ciro does not like that Falun Gong tends to not call itself a political force, when it clearly is. But full disclosure is not a legal obligation, and many many media outlets don’t really disclose their obvious political connections. See also: FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized.
Falun Gong directly contacts Government officials, demonstrates in front of government buildings and supports Trump, how can that not be politics?!?! Just call it for what it is, and no one will be able to criticize you for it!
Never get involved in politics, nor interfere with state affairs.
But at the same, he also greatly encourages Falun Gong media 法轮功媒体, which obviously a political influence method.
Also, the Falun Gong controlled newspaper has donated to Trump propaganda: $1.5 million https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/trump-qanon-impending-judgment-day-behind-facebook-fueled-rise-epoch-n1044121
But of course, so long as those respect the laws of the country, they are free to do it and must not be interfered. As if other major American media didn’t have political agendas.
It is therefore extremely likely that 99.999% of Falun Gong believers also support Trump.
This is exactly the same, in fact, as Christian groups which always gather behind "the right".
In the case of the Falun Gong however, Trump has been vocal about China’s threat, and therefore is a much needed ally of the movement.
Trump’s immigration policies have turned Asian Americans towards the democrat opposition however as of 2019: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/13/18308137/asian-american-voters-immigration-democrats-donald-trump
One saving point of the republicans for Asians is the opposition to university quotas instance, which many Asians feel blocks their high performing kids from top schools for less deserving Black students. This also plays into possible cross Asian-Black racism tensions.
Possibly true, but which reports are you talking about specifically?
All that I care about is:
it is censored today
if you do it you go to jail
there were tens of millions of followers at the time of the ban
which I think are undeniable.
The only question that matters is: should it be banned or not?
Besides the obvious prohibition of their most fundamental belief, so e.g. being tortured.
Let’s just focus on the evidence:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CedVnJOgwg4 "Undercover video reveals brutal treatment of Falun Gong prisoners inside Chinese labor camps" by "FOX 11 Los Angeles" published May 21, 2019. Names mentioned: Fuquan Yin,
18.104.22.168. Does Ciro Santilli believe in the allegations of organ harvesting made by Falun Gong believers?
In short: Ciro believes that it has happened to many people.
Long version follows.
It is obviously very hard to prove and quantify it definitely, much like it was hard to prove the Holocaust: bodies were cremated, and bribes were paid.
Even if we had a video showing the whole process, showing the whole money flow from the donor to the prison guard, it would still be hard to quantify it, so I do have some room for doubt in this opinion.
But consider the following, which is based on what Ciro has heard.
Even Chinese officials have admitted that in the past, if the body of the executed person is not claimed by family, then the organs can be extracted even without the consent of the prisoner:
Perhaps now that they claim that there is a large voluntary organ donor database, then this has stopped or been reduced, but let’s focus on that period when the extractions were widely done.
From this, even though China does not publish execution statistics, we can imagine that a large part of the organs come from prisoners sentenced to death.
Then, consider that a 70 million person religion was banned, leading to a huge influx of prisoners from that religion.
FLG followers are just de-facto criminals like any other, and so extracting their organs is also de-facto legal.
Also, people from that religion don’t drink alcohol, smoke or take drugs, and their organs are of good quality.
Furthermore, FLG prisoners continue to not bow down to the government even in prison, e.g. by doing their Falun Gong meditation, which makes them clearly identifiable and dangerous to the system.
Finally, add to that mix the huge level of corruption found in dictatorships.
Don’t you think, then, that it is extremely likely that it has happened many times that such people have been selected to be executed earlier than others on average, due to the monetary value of their organs?
https://bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12910-019-0406-6 (archive) "Analysis of official deceased organ donation data casts doubt on the credibility of China’s organ transplant reform" by Matthew P. Robertson, Raymond L. Hinde and Jacob Lavee published at "BMC Medical Ethics" which is part of Springer Nature in 14 November 2019
The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China’s Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem, by Ethan Gutmann, 2014
This is a mock tribunal, i.e. one without any power of law, and was of course initially lobbied/organized brought up by FLG: https://endtransplantabuse.org/
However, Ciro Santilli believes that none of the lawyers / jury members are FLG believers, and that they are trying to honestly decide if there is enough evidence or not for organ harvesting in China.
They also have non-FLG witnesses.
Whether you believe in their partiality or not, I highly recommend watching some of what the witnesses, which I find very convincing and informative:
https://youtu.be/oW3IaaXWE8s?t=7225 Swedish man who spent several years in prison in China
A notable precursor to mock tribunals is the Russel Tribunal.
Dr. Enver Tothi, has spoken openly about his organ harvesting activities in the 1990s in several tribunals in Europe
2020 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/surgeon-who-harvested-organs-slaughtered-21040274 "Surgeon who harvested organs of slaughtered dissident now London Uber driver"
2019 in EU parliament: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n-9n897jIo
But also as explaining why I don’t think it justifies the ban.
This section also gives me more credibility as a balanced critic >:-)
Many FLG practitioners claim that they are not at all organized, or that they have no political interest, and I truly believe that they mean it.
But it is obvious from the size of the Falun Gong media 法轮功媒体, namely:
that in practice they do have are a highly organized hierarchical structure, and very likely with LHZ at the very top, e.g.:
Shen Yun’s 2018 libretto says that their Artistic Director and founder is "D.F." (likely an abbreviation for Da Fa, which is an abbreviation for Falun Gong Dafa, which is a full name of Falun Gong), with a picture of LHZ on top. It also amusingly says that D.F. is a "Distinguished Professor of Music and Dance at Fei Tian College in New York", which is likely where many of Shen Yun’s dancers are trained, and therefore controlled by himself to a large extent
LHZ mentions NDTV, Epoch Times and Shen Yun extensively on his What are the canonical Falun Gong texts?. TODO link to source, this based on unintentionally overhearing to my family members reading it.
Furthermore, Falun Gong practitioners directly lobby foreign governments to take action against human rights abuses in China, e.g.:
Like any other religion, they have all the right to take those actions, and it is definitely in their best interest, and perhaps in the best interest of the whole world, that they do so.
The only thing that annoys me is their lack of self perception on this matter: the large majority of Western people would definitely classify them as an organized political force after having observed their activities. When they say otherwise, they are hurting their own credibility.
Agreed, and it is a point that hurts more than helps their cause.
But the media is not legally obliged to state their affiliation.
And if that were the case, then we should force all newspapers to start taking polls of how many employees follow which religion and support which political party, and then put that in their print.
Like most old religions.
Democracy dislikes dictators.
You and I dislike certain personality traits without any logical reason.
What matters is that we treat everyone with respect and without bias at work, even if we don’t like them.
But the law can’t force you to like everyone.
If one specific FLG member breaks a law by discriminating against someone, they should be punished just like anyone else.
Based on what Ciro Santilli 三西猴 saw and heard, he does believe, without any clear statistical evidence, that it is very likely that it hs happened to in many cases that some Falun Gong believers refused to take modern medications and died of diseases that could be otherwise cured.
But consider the following:
what matters are statistics. Maybe FLG people live longer than non FLG in average. But we will never have statistics because of censorship: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/27529/have-many-falun-gong-practitioners-forgone-medical-treatment-and-died-of-treatab
maybe people should be allowed to choose how they want to die, not to take medication if they don’t want to
maybe the number of people killed during persecution vastly outnumbers those who died because they would not take medication
several religions, including Christianity 基督教 have miraculous cure claims. My impression is that claims were mostly notable in the old times apparently, likely because people noticed that Christians were still dying of all kinds of diseases like everyone else, no matter how devout!
maybe the main reason why communists banned FLG is the political threat it posed, but that a ban was unjustified given the situation. Christian crosses are being taken down as of 2016, have they stopped taking their medications as well? See also [rule-of-law].
maybe many of those people would also have died soon even if they had taken medication
maybe not all Falun Gong believers thought that it was wise to stop taking medication. But their religion was banned anyway. Who can agree and follow all the innumerable prescriptions of any religious or legal system? See also: Someone from movement X did something bad, therefore the movement should be banned.
all the following also reduce people’s lifespan:
riding motorcycles vs. cars/buses
moving to a poor country to do charity there
eating fast food
Forbidding them also has huge humanitarian costs (more expensive vehicles, creation of a black market, …). So why not forbid them as well?
Especially In the beginning, Falun Gong did put a lot of emphasis on its health benefits, just like all the other contemporaneous Qi Gong practices, and it is likely that especially many in the first generation of believers do believe it more than others.
For example, the main initial public announcement of Falun Gong was at a Health Exposition in Beijing.
In What are the canonical Falun Gong texts? itself, this is not super explicit and emphasised as far as Ciro can see. Zhuan Falun https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/zfl_74.htm has a chapter entitled "On the Issue of Healing Illnesses", that contains:
Let us talk about the most common illnesses, like tumors, infections or osteoproliferation etc., found in the human body. In another space, a very deep space, there lies an evil intelligent entity.
and the general very beaty-around-the-bush suggestion that if you do master Falun Gong fully, you will be healthy. But with the usual disclaimer that "you have to become a master", and since "there are no graduates", no one is ever a master for sure, and as usual "you don’t get the promised goodies", as as mentioned at: Orange Papers.
Ciro does however believe that newer generations believe in this much less, notably because the first believer generation is all basically old or dead, and soon will be entirely dead. This might also have been de-emphasised to reduce the bullshit aspects and help the international spread of Falun Gong. Not even Falun Gong believers are that blind. And this perfectly mimics the beginning of Christianism, where the first generations gave much more emphasis to miraculous cures.
Me and Li by Ben Hurley (2017) has an anecdote on this, which Ciro feels sounds believable:
I think it was Lynn’s* death that finally made me realise it was time to leave. I’d seen the writing on the wall about a year prior when I saw her at a yearly "Fa conference" for believers of Falun Gong, otherwise known as Falun Dafa, to exchange experiences and grow spiritually together. An executive assistant at a Queensland valuation firm, I’d gotten to know her over the years in various events as a warm and level-headed lady who had time for everyone. But I’d noticed she had developed a bulge on the side of her head and I was trying not to look at it when I talked to her. I saw, or at least I believed I saw, some pain in her smile. She was probably questioning herself over and over again what "attachments" she hadn’t let go of that were causing this sickness to spread through her body and endanger her life. I wanted to tell her to just go to a hospital, although I wasn’t at this stage resolute enough in my gradual return to logic. Another part of me feared that by looking at it I was acknowledging it — something you don’t do with illnesses in Falun Gong because Master Li Hongzhi teaches that his pupils don’t get illnesses. He can cure you but only if you don’t have any loopholes in your belief in him and his teachings. Some people with solid beliefs can actually die due to others around them having flaws in their thinking, Li says. Just thinking the wrong way is perilous when you’re a Falun Gong practitioner.
I later heard through the grapevine of Lynn’s death. The cancer went into her brain and she passed away in extreme pain, probably believing to the end that it was her fault she was in this awful predicament. In a way, I guess it was.
and more interesting anecdotes follow, see source.
And Ciro has felt this first hand with his mother-in-law. Whenever she has a health worry, first she tries to hide it. But then she casually mentions it without much thought because she speaks all the time the poor lady, may she be blessed. And then, when Ciro says: OK, let’s try and treat it, even for trivial things that might have simple treatments, she immediately smiles a compassionate smile of "I’m a Falun Gong believer, I don’t need that". This makes Ciro really mad. He tries to not show it, because he thinks people should be able to choose how they die. But Li promises the powers of remote, cross dimensional and past/future vision. to some believers, and yet, blinds some of them to the obvious fact that they are aging, and, slowly but surely, their own bodies are starting to fail, like everyone else’s will at one point.
It is also interesting to note how the Chinese government itself supported Falun Gong and other Qi Gong practices for their health benefits, which is why they grew so large in the first place. Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) was even awarded prizes and recognized as a Qi Gong master by state backed organizations in 1992 and 1993. And the CCP still has a tendency to support certain non-scientific traditional practices: [support-for-non-scientific-traditional-practices].
Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) is the creator of FLG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi.
Falun Gong people call him "master" (师父), which is a common traditional term used to respectfully address experienced teachers in a disciple (弟子)/teacher relation, e.g. Kung Fu or other crafts.
However they also believe that he has many many God-like powers and is comparable figures such as Jesus and Buddha himself.
Notably they believe that he has superpowers, and that everything that he says is the absolute truth of the universe, see also: Is Falun Gong a religion? 法轮功是一个宗教吗？.
The term "master" is also used for example in the fictional film The Master (2012), which is likely inspired in Scientology.
It’s funny that even though Falun Gong only came up recently in the 80’s, we still know relatively little about Li. One is kind of reminded of Jesus! See also Li Hongzhi’s family 李洪志的家庭 and Li Hongzhi’s hagiography.
One should note however that this is partly by design: at some point in the 90’s, Li relatively stepped away from public view. This is because once you reach a critical mass of followers, it is better to let them to the preaching for you, while you hide your obvious human defects in a corner. See also comments at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cv5hZfOmk&t=1177.
Li Hongzhi footage:
1999-06-12 AP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_onSZlvWSQ USA: "CHINA: FALUN DAFA CULT POSES NO THREAT CLAIMS FOUNDER" Li Hongzhi talks to media in New York
Ciro agrees that there is danger in every religion, and especially new religions.
However the same point can be made about political parties and in particular the CCP and its chairman.
Couldn’t a charismatic leader chairman gain more and more power (like Xi seems to be doing), and eventually start a war and kill millions? Or just kill some minority who is not happy about the situation.
Similarly, any charismatic leader of a pro-democracy movement could become the leader of a terrorist organization.
If you ever want democracy, you will have to learn to accept the beliefs of others, and only punish them when they actually break a law.
Finally, LHZ was born in 1951, so he will die in 20 years, unless FLG is true and a miracle happens, and then this argument will become invalid.
From what Ciro hears, LHZ has always maintained that he is the only source of truth on FLG (see also "The Guru is always right"), and therefore, so his death will very likely remove any danger once and for all.
Furthermore, it also seems to Ciro that FLG is clearly anti-violence and self-harm, so Ciro wonder how many would follow a contradictory order such as killing or suicide? We have had no hint of any incitation to violence so far.
It is also interesting to look into the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown case. When the suicide order came, most people wanted out! Without physically controlling the followers, I don’t think you can make them do much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhi mentions that there are two versions of the biography:
An unofficial biography appeared in the first of Li’s major publications, Zhongguo Falun Gong, supposedly authored by journalist Zhu Huiguang (朱慧光).
The full text appears to be at available at: http://qingqing.freebbs.tw/viewthread.php?tid=130# (God bless Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國 piracy, https://web.archive.org/web/20200805093333/http://qingqing.freebbs.tw/viewthread.php?tid=130#[archive])
The Life and times of Li Hongzhi by Benjamin Penny (2003) gives the full title of the section + a translation (originally in pinyin, but why?!?! :-)):
"The wheel of the law revolves the new cosmos - on Li Hongzhi and the Falun Gong he founded".
A second, official spiritual biography appeared in early editions of Falun Gong’s primary text, Zhuan Falun.
It is shorter than the first, and is marked as authored by the "Falun Dafa Research Society’s President" (法轮功研究会会长).
The Wiki quotes The Religion of Falun Gong by Benjamin Penny (2012).
Penny says that it was removed in 1999 (presumably to remove some more glaring magical bullshit help with internationalization).
A possible Chinese copy might be found at: http://qingqing.freebbs.tw/viewthread.php?tid=165### inside a 1994 version of Zhuan Falun.
The section is entitled "中国法轮功创始人、法轮功研究会会长 李洪志先生小传", so literally tranlated as a "profile" (小传) rather than a full biography. The index marks it as 附 (addendum), and it comes at the end of the book.
Ciro can’t help but to imagine how Falun Gong came about in detail.
Someone should write a "The Last Temptation of Christ".
This deserves an American miniseries like Chernobyl.
It would manage to piss off both FLG and the CCP, which would be amazing. It is a shame that it is so difficult to find good historical information between the infinite barrages of CCP and FLG propaganda.
It could show how:
Li was an ordinary dude who could liked to play the trumpet, which partially explains his focus on Shen Yun and Falun Gong musical street parades
Li first heard about Qi Gong, and went to practice it under some dude. Then how he saw other people were so into it, and decided to take this opportunity to make a career out of it during the 80’s
how he met his wife and had a daughter
how he started to notice how people were feeling things during the exercise classes, and started suggesting more and more metaphysics to these first disciples
Li could also have some metaphysical moment, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW20LbwAmng but at the same time, he must tell his followers some lies which he does not believe
how followers started telling others things and "experience sharing" where the cycle of belief stats to take off
a clear demonstration of how "A group of early adopters in Changchun became disenchanted after Li forbade his followers from charging fees for the practice at the end of 1994" showing dissent within the cult
and finally, the immigration and crackdown, and how he put his fingers on those things, and the creation of media, this could be the last episode
Episodes could be split along:
Episode 1: pre Qi Gong, shows Childhood, workplaces, early motivations. Ends with first contact with a Qi Gong lesson
Episode 2: early Falun Gong. Opens an academy. Starts without metaphysics, but grows into it. Show him knowingly lying, but also seething magic things. The first followers, and top lieutenants. Makes some management mistake, but escapes. Could end in a metaphysical scene, or 13 May 1992 initial public lesson. Maybe a scene of Li’s visit to Thailand in 1983 (photo from CCP media found on Google).
Episode 3: later Falun Gong in China. It grows, show in Chinese news. Power struggles, problems with early lieutenants, and new lieutenants come up. Many people practice on streets. Battle against Zhong Gong 中华养生益智功 (中功). Near 1996, something tips Li off to the fact that the CCP is going to crack down on them, and so he announces that he will be spreading abroad full time. Check out if this was before or after the first Anti FLG newspaper article in 1996-06-17.
Episode 4: preaching outside of China and emigration. American permanent residence in 1998. Watches crackdown on television. International Falun Gong media. Show him at Falun Gong New York "Dragon Springs" complex
Parts of the series could be filmed in Taiwan 台湾 Republic of China 中華民國 maybe?
Source material: History of Falun Gong 法轮功历史.
At least Jesus appeared to value chastity. He was even born from a virgin right? No sex around him at all.
But Li doesn’t need that. He’s a God right, he can both be an Enlightened God part time and still have a normal family part time.
Once thing Ciro approves about Li’s approach to his family is that he seems to have stated (TODO source) that none of them are Gods like him.
Wife’s name: Li Rui (李瑞 according to CCP). Report saying that a follower bought a house and registered it on Li Rui’s name as a gift, but Li later returned the gift back: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB94140245836194819 TODO house address.
The Religion of Falun Gong by Benjamin Penny (2012) gives further family members (some of them are based only on CCP sources however):
daughter: Li Meige (李美歌) claims born 1982-06 on Kaiwind (BIASED MEDIA) http://www.kaiwind.com/anticult/kfgc/201311/05/t20131105_1188845.shtml says that she performs in Shen Yun Performing Arts 神韵艺术团 under the name "Christina Li" and even won awards. This Falun Gong sources confirm that a "Christina Li" was a Shen Yun lead dancer as of 2011, but does not confirm that she is the daughter of Li Hongzhi: https://www.theepochtimes.com/where-are-the-ancient-arts-of-china-part-4_1491935.html If this is true, talk about "different levels of truth"! The article also claims that she has had other pseudonyms, including: "Annie Li" and "Li Jingjing" (李晶晶). Here are web archives of the now broken of course Shen Yun pages Kaiwand links to as evidence of her constant name changing (but no mention of her father):
possibly CCP sources report that Meige married in 2017, likely near the Falun Gong Day (13th May): e.g. http://www.saibeifeng.com/kfyd/201705/16/t20170516_5219554.shtml says many felicitation posts were posted on minghui, so this is likely widely known within the Falun Gong community, but the idiots who wrote that page don’t know how to link to sources. Ciro could not find the groom’s name.
brothers and sisters, all younger:
Li Jun (李君) older younger sister
Li Ping (李平) younger younger sister
Notably, Li Ping’s alleged husband Sun Senjun (孙森伦) is a Chinese-Thai, and allegedly wrote an account of Li Hongzhi’s family in the 1980’s "我与李洪志一家在泰国的日子——法轮功教主妹夫的自述" ("Diary’s of being in Thailand with Li Hongzhi’s family") ISBN 9789996590252 This is reproduced on many CCP sources, e.g.: http://lihongzhidaqidi.blogspot.com/2013_09_27_archive.html but it is good reading if you take everything with a grain of salt, does sound believable. TODO find original publishing location. This appears to be an interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js0OyNwYw5A (watermarked Kaiwind (BIASED MEDIA) on top)
Li Hui (AKA Li Donghui) younger brother
father: Li Dan
mother: Lu Shuzhen
There are also claims that Li’s birth name was Li Lai (李來).
This claims to contain the biography of Li Hongzhi’s family (likely all according to CCP sources), including several good pictures: https://kknews.cc/zh-hk/news/bbmz49.html The photo given there for Li Jun appears on this apparently FLG source without mention of the name: https://www.epochweekly.com/b5/103/5805.htm
Li Hongzhi’s Falun Gong complex in New York state countryside.
Started in the 2000’s in New York State with money donated by believers.
1999 https://apnews.com/420a741ec19c4db3993d408747874b2d "Falun Gong US compound’s neighbors fret over expansion plans"
Ciro Santilli has seen Falun Gong people making phone calls to people in China with to explain why FLG is with his own eyes, and therefore is sure it has happened on some scale.
Particularly during Censorship of the 2019 Corona Virus 2019冠状病毒病早期迹象审查, Falun Gong ramped up the telemarketing calls and some voluntary believers were making calls all day nonstop.
Ciro does not know how the called numbers were obtained and if callees voluntarily signed up for it, but that feels extremely unlikely.
Interestingly however, many of the callees seemed interesting in what they had to say, and they often had long chats, Ciro was surprised by that. Maybe they were just bored senseless due to the Corona lockdown. Or maybe many Chinese People actually don’t like their Government and the CCP is fucked.
Also, of course, the callers received call scripts and guidelines to makes those calls, because obviously FLG downplays the fact that it is highly organized.
It also seems that this telemarketing had Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志)'s direct approval, although Ciro does not have proof of that.
Ciro strongly disapproves of this, Just like for any product, visual ads on the street are impossible to prevent, but any kind of advertising that generates notifications on feeds, or takes people’s time, is unacceptable.
Ciro has not however seen them talking about making automated phone calls.
https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1940394/how-rampant-phone-scams-highlight-chinas-need-tighter also mentions that Falun Gong makes telemarketing in passing without any reference.
The similarity of their imagery as seen from propaganda videos is striking. To Ciro Santilli 三西猴, this makes Zhong Gong a perfect example of why FLG metaphysics is bullshit: it is obvious that both Zhong Gong and Falun Gong and many others were just random dudes who took advantage of the Qigong fever to create their religions.
Interestingly, like Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志), Hongbao is also from the Northeast of China (Heilongjiang), there must be a reason why those Qi Gong movements come from that region.
Unlike Falun Gong however, Zhong Gong failed to branch the franchise out of China, and basically died out. He also died in a car crash in 2006 which didn’t help. Li Hongzhi however played smarter, and started branching abroad full force in 1996, he might have predicted that the crackdown was inevitale.
Wikipedia says it reached 34 million followers in China.
Hongbao also has a more spicy history it seems, with sexual allegations and open political goals unlike Li Hongzhi, who hid his goals better. Well played, Li, well played.
Li Hongzhi (LHZ, 李洪志) maintains in canon that Falun Gong is of course extremely different from all of those other extremely similar Qi Gong religions (not sure if Zhong Gong is mentioned, but is it definitely one of the main targets).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX72zfEP_zs googd Zhong Gong playlist
https://youtu.be/uYH8Y_1UmrY?list=PLQM6pSUVxrEhL1Zf2Hg9J87HAlgOS1RXy&t=1445 Zhong Gong people "experience sharing". It truly is exactly like Falun Gong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2GxSJK9c-A this appears to be positive mainstream media coverage of Zhong Gong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ziluy_AlEI video of Hongbao giving a lecture dated 1994 and commented "Qiling kylin Tianhua culture"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQKCtPSfdR4 video dated January 21st, 2007 of Monks praying after his death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvJSzeY7Chw contains a bunch of what appear to be extremely low quality Zhong Gong propaganda videos. It is very similar to Falun Gong’s of course.
The embassy spokesman says Chinese officials have ample evidence of sect leader Zhang Hongbao’s involvement in crimes such as rape and murder.
https://medium.com/@Ben_D_Hurley/-10677166298b "Me and Li" by Ben Hurley published on October 23, 2017.
This post by a former believer gives what Ciro Santilli 三西猴 feels is a realistic account that matches Ciro’s observations.
A few non-religious non-CCP resources can be found at:
Sun Senjun’s accounts from the 1980’s, see: Li Hongzhi’s family 李洪志的家庭
but those are very rare, because where else would the information come form, right?
Some key events:
1989: initial private beta courses. TODO key interesting moment.
1992-05-13: initial public lecture at the 1992 International Health Exposition in Beijing, and opening main academy on No. 5 Middle School in Changchun, Jilin Province (capital.
He apparently also taught at Chaoyang Park in Changchun: https://goo.gl/maps/BFwKs2xr48AMUAbx8
Free to read at: https://www.jstor.org/stable/20059033
A freely downloadable paper with a subset of the book: https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/20059033.pdf
The author: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Penny is an Australian researcher, https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/penny-bdc
Leak of financial data implicating many corruption scandals.
Xi Jinping got his nickname as "Xí bāozi 習包子" ("steamed stuffed bun Xi") due to the much publicized visit he made to the famous Qìngfēng bāozi pù 庆丰包子铺 ("Qingfeng baozi shop") in Beijing. During and after his visit to the shop, media swarmed over the place and were eager to portray an image of Xi as being down to earth and close to the people. Those who dislike Xi use this nickname sarcastically against him for being a hick and for hypocritically "putting on a show" (zuòxiù 作秀).
See also: [buns].
It can be translated as "big spender," a play on the literal translation of the words sā bì 撒币 "throw money" and "stupid cunt" (shǎ bī 傻逼). The nickname takes aim at the economic aid Xi has promised to foreign countries; the moniker is so widely used on Chinese social media that the censors' repressive measures only draw more attention to it, and to the criticism embedded within it.
Less good ones:
2014-06-23 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-27926747/meet-the-chinese-presidential-pancake-seller "Shao Jianhua" TODO Chinese name, name of dish he sells. Too young and not fat enough.
Got censored due to comparisons between Xi Jinping and Winnie in 2017: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnie-the-Pooh#Censorship_in_China
Some good photoshops:
Got creator Dai Jianyong (戴建勇) arrested in 2015:
Dictator from 1989 to 2002.
Jiang is often compared to a toad in a meme what is referred to as toad worship (膜蛤), further keywords: 蛤蟆
The Chinese also love Jiang’s quote in English during an interview with Hong Kong press:
Too young, too simple, sometimes naive.
Jiang also has an amazing array of meme-ready funny expressions.
Some possible quotes from Mao saying that people should be able to protest, original share: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/i2z5ss/maos_propaganda_poster_saying_protest_and_strike/
Citizens should be allowed to protest.
claims from from some 毛泽东选集第五卷 (selected works from Mao Zedong) in speech from the 8th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China. https://twitter.com/shijianxingzou/status/1158421996755128323 mentions the anthology was published in 1977.
In 2009 activist Liu Shihui (刘士辉) was arrested for wearing a t-shirt saying "One-party rule is a disaster" (一党独裁，遍地是灾) in 2009 in Guangzhou. This is a quote from a Xinhua News editorial from the 1940s. On the back was another quote by former president Liu Shaoqi (刘少奇) "The CP [Communist Party] opposes the Kuomintang’s one-party dictatorship, but the CP will not establish a one-party dictatorship". This interesting Zhihu 知乎 page has many other similar quotes BTW: https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/59503784 (archive). He was later assaulted, spent 108 days in jail without a trial, and was forcefully sent back to his home town in Inner Mongolia: Front Line Defenders profile. Quotes from the Hundred Flowers Campaign 百花齐放 (1956-1957) also come to mind. Source. also comes to mind.
Mao claimed to have set a swimming record by swimming 15km in 65 minutes at the age of 72 at the Yangtze in Wuhan, or an average of 13.8 km/h.
As a comparison, the Olympic swimmers of 2016 covered the lesser distance of 10 km in 113 minutes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swimming_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_–_Men%27s_marathon_10_kilometre for an average of 5.3 km/h.
According to this article, the maximum current speed of the Yantze is 128.5 cm/s or 4.62 km/h so even if he were swimming with the current, Mao was faster.
Dictatorships would never lie about obviously verifiable facts, would they?
And idiots today still celebrate this event that preceded the Cultural Revolution 文化大革命 (1966-1976) which put China’s economy in shambles.
Superputin learnt from this and also showed off his swimming skills in 2009.
Trying to keep only "neutral" sources here, let me know if you spot something too biased: Biased media 偏见媒体.
How I find them: What are the best sources of anti-CCP news?.
2020-01 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3045657/china-human-rights-activist-ding-jiaxi-under-investigation one more human rights person Ding Jiaxi. The list is endless, should we care?
2019-12-18 Fudan University in China removes "freedom of thought" from university charters, students protes
2019-10-16 https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/16/gitlab_employees_gagged/ GitLab prevents employees from discussing politics at work, and will not veto clients. This is not confirmed, but I guess it is very likely in reply to the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests given the timing. The merge request (archive).
Twitter to block operations by oppressive foreign state media
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2019/information_operations_directed_at_Hong_Kong.html Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/csodbt/twitter_suspends_nearly_1000_accounts_connected/
2019-07-12 https://www.apnews.com/a2584de07c014e4786a21bcf9f446a40 "37 countries rally around China at top UN human rights body"
2019-07-02 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/02/chinese-border-guards-surveillance-app-tourists-phones "Chinese border guards put secret surveillance app on tourists' phones"
2019-04-28 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48084019 Hong Kong: Thousands protest against China extradition law
2019-01 https://www.apnews.com/40f7cf4c0c6e43f18121af93f1e418f7 Microsoft Bing https://www.bing.com/ search engine blocked in China
2019-01 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/business/china-internet-censor.html interview with Beyondsoft, a company that offers censorship services
Repository published in 2019-04 protesting against excessive work hours by Chinese programmers.
The name refers to:
"996": work from 9AM to 9PM 6 days a week
"ICU": Intensive Care Unit
Reached 180k stars in a week, and was the second most starred repository as of 2019-10 https://github.com/search?q=stars%3A%3E100&s=stars&type=Repositories (archive)!!!
This is therefore the best example for Chinese tech workers that freedom of speech is a good thing.
2018-01 https://uk.businessinsider.com/china-marriott-tweets-censorship-2018-1?r=US&IR=T Marriott lists Taiwan as country on the website
2017-11 低端人口 Low-end population
2017-11 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/7a7hf9/the_worlds_largest_academic_publisher_blocks/ Springer nature pulls sensitive articles. TODO article list.
2017-07 https://qz.com/1056938/cambridge-university-press-china-quarterly-complies-with-censorship-removes-300-articles-on-topics-like-tiananmen-and-tibet-in-china/ Book list: https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-file-manager/file/59970028145fd05f66868bf5?utm_content=bufferb652b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20170905214500/https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-file-manager/file/59970028145fd05f66868bf5?utm_content=bufferb652b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
2017-06 https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/ordered-05092017155554.html Uyghurs studying abroad ordered to return to China
2017-03 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-39137293 "China congress: BBC team forced to sign confession"
2016-11 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/38005603 Election china style, BBC interview with Chinese candidate, while thugs block him physically from nocking the door: Funny / scary stuff. https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/5dfigb/this_is_democracy_chinesestyle/
2016-09: https://qz.com/783026/china-censorship-chinese-citizens-are-being-arrested-for-sharing-news-about-the-wukan-village-rebellion-online/ https://qz.com/781989/foreign-journalists-are-wanted-for-3000-by-chinese-authorities-for-inciting-unrest-in-a-village/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wukan_protests
2016-06 https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/78775b09e64d85f08547287cab204b48b2491192/China/2016/2016-06-08-programthink-zhao.md first GitHub takedown, see also: Programthink 编程随想
2016 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/12/world/asia/china-britain-queen-xi-jinping.html?_r=0 "Queen Elizabeth II Says Chinese Officials Were ‘Very Rude’ on State Visit"
2016 https://shanghaiist.com/2016/05/06/dont_eat_that_banana.php Sexy banana eating forbidden
2016-04 https://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/01/26/china-threatens-sanctions-against-u-s-companies-is-this-the-future/ China economic sanctions companies that sell weapons to Taiwan (some of those companies also sell civilian products to China)
2016-04 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-demands-shutdown-disneylife-service-887599 Disney Life blocked
2016-04 http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/china-demands-shutdown-apples-film-886831 Apple iTunes and iBooks blocked
2016 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-35968855 China’s 'Great Firewall' blocks its creator
2016 https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/04/china-bans-gay-people-television-clampdown-xi-jinping-censorship gay depiction banned on television
2016 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35496562 Armani Communist - https://www.ibtimes.com/xi-jinping-wants-overhaul-image-chinas-rich-kids-1961207 - first section of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKQ5ijFZ_j8
2016 https://freebeacon.com/national-security/chinese-defector-reveals-beijings-secrets/ Ling Wancheng defects
2016 https://chinachange.org/2016/01/21/activist-in-xinjiang-sentenced-to-19-years-for-online-writings-and-rights-activities/ Zhang Haitao (张海涛) faces 19 years in jail for his blog posts
2016 https://money.cnn.com/2016/01/20/technology/facebook-android-tor/ Facebook Android app implements Tor option
2016 https://www.reddit.com/r/China/comments/41y6ig/hong_kong_movie_predicts_dark_future_for_city/ Honk Kong (2016) movie
2015 https://news.vice.com/article/the-missing-hong-kong-booksellers-family-isnt-buying-his-televised-confession Gui Minhai, 51, from publisher Mighty Current who was going to publish a book about Xi Jinping 习近平 (2012-∞)'s love life.
Lam Wing-kee (林榮基) is another one of the detained booksellers of the Causeway Bay Books group
2015 Taiwanese beauty queen kicked out of Miss Earth pageant for refusing to change `Taiwan ROC' sash to `Chinese Taipei' https://shanghaiist.com/2015/11/23/miss-earth-ting-wen-yin.php
2015 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/08/speech-enables-speech-china-takes-aim-its-coders https://github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks shadowsocks creator threatened
2015 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34630829 Lego refuses to sell to Ai Weiwei
2015 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/world/asia/china-bao-zhuoxuan-son-wang-yu-rights-lawyer-house-arrest.html Bao Zhuoxuan 16-year old son of human rights layer in house arrest