diff --git a/src/components/media_control/media_control.js b/src/components/media_control/media_control.js
index 2d874da1e..374dc507d 100644
--- a/src/components/media_control/media_control.js
+++ b/src/components/media_control/media_control.js
@@ -67,6 +67,8 @@ export default class MediaControl extends UIObject {
     this.persistConfig = this.options.persistConfig
     this.container = options.container
     this.seekTime = new SeekTime(this)
+    this.currentPositionValue = null
+    this.currentDurationValue = null
     var initialVolume = (this.persistConfig) ? Config.restore("volume") : 100
     this.setVolume(this.mute ? 0 : initialVolume)
     this.keepVisible = false
@@ -97,7 +99,7 @@ export default class MediaControl extends UIObject {
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_PLAY, this.changeTogglePlay)
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_PAUSE, this.changeTogglePlay)
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_DBLCLICK, this.toggleFullscreen)
-    this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_TIMEUPDATE, this.updateSeekBar)
+    this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_TIMEUPDATE, this.onTimeUpdate)
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_PROGRESS, this.updateProgressBar)
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_SETTINGSUPDATE, this.settingsUpdate)
     this.listenTo(this.container, Events.CONTAINER_PLAYBACKDVRSTATECHANGED, this.settingsUpdate)
@@ -343,26 +345,39 @@ export default class MediaControl extends UIObject {
     this.$seekBarLoaded.css({ left: loadedStart + '%', width: (loadedEnd - loadedStart) + '%' })
   }
 
-  updateSeekBar(position, duration) {
+  onTimeUpdate(position, duration) {
     if (this.draggingSeekBar) return
+    // TODO why should position ever be negative?
     if (position < 0) position = duration
 
-    var seekbarValue = (100 / duration) * position
-    var currentPosition = formatTime(position)
-    var currentDuration = formatTime(duration)
+    this.currentPositionValue = position
+    this.currentDurationValue = duration
+    this.renderSeekBar()
+  }
 
-    this.$seekBarPosition.removeClass('media-control-notransition')
-    this.$seekBarScrubber.removeClass('media-control-notransition')
+  renderSeekBar() {
+    if (this.currentPositionValue === null || this.currentDurationValue === null) {
+      // this will be triggered as soon as these beocome available
+      return
+    }
 
-    this.setSeekPercentage(seekbarValue)
+    // default to 100%
+    this.currentSeekBarPercentage = 100
+    if (this.container.isDvrInUse()) {
+      // if dvr is enabled then set to the true percentage
+      this.currentSeekBarPercentage = (this.currentPositionValue / this.currentDurationValue) * 100
+    }
+    this.setSeekPercentage(this.currentSeekBarPercentage)
 
-    if (currentPosition !== this.displayedPosition) {
-      this.$position.text(currentPosition)
-      this.displayedPosition = currentPosition
+    var newPosition = formatTime(this.currentPositionValue)
+    var newDuration = formatTime(this.currentDurationValue)
+    if (newPosition !== this.displayedPosition) {
+      this.$position.text(newPosition)
+      this.displayedPosition = newPosition
     }
-    if (currentDuration !== this.displayedDuration) {
-      this.$duration.text(currentDuration)
-      this.displayedDuration = currentDuration
+    if (newDuration !== this.displayedDuration) {
+      this.$duration.text(newDuration)
+      this.displayedDuration = newDuration
     }
   }
 
@@ -479,11 +494,17 @@ export default class MediaControl extends UIObject {
   }
 
   setSeekPercentage(value) {
-    value = Math.min(value, 100.0)
-    var pos = (this.$seekBarContainer.width() * value / 100.0) - (this.$seekBarScrubber.width() / 2.0)
-    this.currentSeekPercentage = value
+    value = Math.max(Math.min(value, 100.0), 0)
+    if (this.displayedSeekBarPercentage === value) {
+      // not changed since last update
+      return
+    }
+    this.displayedSeekBarPercentage = value
+
+    this.$seekBarPosition.removeClass('media-control-notransition')
+    this.$seekBarScrubber.removeClass('media-control-notransition')
     this.$seekBarPosition.css({ width: value + '%' })
-    this.$seekBarScrubber.css({ left: pos })
+    this.$seekBarScrubber.css({ left: value + '%'})
   }
 
   seekRelative(delta) {
@@ -555,10 +576,12 @@ export default class MediaControl extends UIObject {
     this.$seekBarPosition.addClass('media-control-notransition')
     this.$seekBarScrubber.addClass('media-control-notransition')
 
-    if (!this.currentSeekPercentage) {
-      this.currentSeekPercentage = 0
+    var previousSeekPercentage = 0
+    if (this.displayedSeekBarPercentage) {
+      previousSeekPercentage = this.displayedSeekBarPercentage
     }
-    this.setSeekPercentage(this.currentSeekPercentage)
+    this.displayedSeekBarPercentage = null
+    this.setSeekPercentage(previousSeekPercentage)
 
     process.nextTick(() => {
       if (!this.container.settings.seekEnabled) {
diff --git a/src/components/media_control/public/media-control.scss b/src/components/media_control/public/media-control.scss
index bef8ee28c..fd4427705 100644
--- a/src/components/media_control/public/media-control.scss
+++ b/src/components/media_control/public/media-control.scss
@@ -284,6 +284,7 @@
 
       .bar-scrubber[data-seekbar] {
         position: absolute;
+        @include translateX(-50%);
         top: 2px;
         left: 0;
         width: 20px;
diff --git a/src/playbacks/hls/hls.js b/src/playbacks/hls/hls.js
index 61a7cca59..79c475e63 100644
--- a/src/playbacks/hls/hls.js
+++ b/src/playbacks/hls/hls.js
@@ -22,15 +22,17 @@ export default class HLS extends HTML5VideoPlayback {
   // start content is deleted
   // For streams with dvr where the entire recording is kept from the
   // beginning this should always return 0
+  // TODO this should also return a few seconds less than the duration
+  // reported from HLSJS (maybe configurable) so there's a bit of buffer time
+  // for new chunks to be appended to the end
   getPlayableStartTime() {
     // TODO this should probably just return video.seekable.start(0)
     // but looks like this might have a bug/not been implemented at the moment
     // https://github.com/dailymotion/hls.js/issues/65
 
-    // for now return this even though it's wrong as it works ok
-    // super.getDuration() should never be used for reasons
-    // described in https://github.com/clappr/clappr/issues/668#issuecomment-157036678
-    return super.getDuration() - this.playableRegionDuration
+    // for now return 0 which means it will work for any streams which have dvr
+    // back to the start of the stream
+    return 0
   }
 
   constructor(options) {