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Invoker 6pc Bonus interacting with Simplicity's Strength and Depth Diggers #287

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metamyth opened this Issue Nov 7, 2017 · 5 comments

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metamyth commented Nov 7, 2017

It appears that the 6pc bonus for the Crusader Invoker set is getting modified by Simplicity's Strength and Depth Diggers, which both modify damage from Primary skills. It does not interact this way in game; I suspect it's a symptom of the Thorns damage being applied to Punish's / Slash's damage rather than a separate effect.

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Just to clarify, should it benefit from increased punish/slash damage? I think that's why it works that way in the planner.

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d07RiV commented Nov 14, 2017

Just to clarify, should it benefit from increased punish/slash damage? I think that's why it works that way in the planner.

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To my knowledge, the damage from the 6pc bonus is not boosted by Depth Diggers, Simplicity's Strength, or +Punish/Slash rolls on gear. It'd be nice if it did, but as of now that's not the case.

metamyth commented Nov 14, 2017

To my knowledge, the damage from the 6pc bonus is not boosted by Depth Diggers, Simplicity's Strength, or +Punish/Slash rolls on gear. It'd be nice if it did, but as of now that's not the case.

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Okay, because I remember reworking it several times, probably because it at least used to benefit from punish/slash rolls. They reworked depth diggers and simplicity since then, to provide multiplicative bonuses instead of adding to +skill damage%, so maybe that's why they don't work (if they ever did)?

Or maybe I'm just imagining things. I'll try to find some source on this.

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d07RiV commented Nov 14, 2017

Okay, because I remember reworking it several times, probably because it at least used to benefit from punish/slash rolls. They reworked depth diggers and simplicity since then, to provide multiplicative bonuses instead of adding to +skill damage%, so maybe that's why they don't work (if they ever did)?

Or maybe I'm just imagining things. I'll try to find some source on this.

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It still benefits punish and slash, but not the thorns damage, to my understanding. Given, this is all based on information I've found while searching, and have generally been given the idea that SS/DD and Invoker 6 don't work together. I might do some testing personally soon to see if I can find evidence one way or the other myself. (I would love to be proven wrong!)

I wish that there was some way to properly test things like this but it's hard to find an enemy that will just sit there and let you smack it. The challenge rifts have some test dummies, but that's about it, and you can't bring in builds to test there.

metamyth commented Nov 14, 2017

It still benefits punish and slash, but not the thorns damage, to my understanding. Given, this is all based on information I've found while searching, and have generally been given the idea that SS/DD and Invoker 6 don't work together. I might do some testing personally soon to see if I can find evidence one way or the other myself. (I would love to be proven wrong!)

I wish that there was some way to properly test things like this but it's hard to find an enemy that will just sit there and let you smack it. The challenge rifts have some test dummies, but that's about it, and you can't bring in builds to test there.

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Splyttsx Jul 12, 2018

I can confirm that DD, SS and punish/slash damage do not increase damage of the 6pc but % physical skill damage from sources like bracers/doom bringer sword does increase it.

Splyttsx commented Jul 12, 2018

I can confirm that DD, SS and punish/slash damage do not increase damage of the 6pc but % physical skill damage from sources like bracers/doom bringer sword does increase it.

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