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Download Docker CE without logging in #6910

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sonicdoe opened this Issue Jun 20, 2018 · 256 comments

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sonicdoe commented Jun 20, 2018

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Docker for Mac and Docker for Windows cannot be downloaded without logging into Docker Store.

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It would be awesome if Docker for Mac and Docker for Windows could be downloaded without logging into Docker Store as not to make users jump through hoops. This was already previously possible, if I remember correctly.

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I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment.

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joaofnfernandes commented Jun 20, 2018

I know that this can feel like a nuisance, but we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

As far as I can tell, the docs don't need changes, so I'll close this issue, but feel free to comment.

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Thank you for your response. I hope you’ll keep the direct download URL available for the foreseeable future.

sonicdoe commented Jun 20, 2018

Thank you for your response. I hope you’ll keep the direct download URL available for the foreseeable future.

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I know that this can feel like a nuisance

Um, what.

Is Docker closed-source freeware all of a sudden?

to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward

Uhuh. You mean, force people to login with an email so we can target them with an ad campaign so we make money??

This feels dishonest. If you're trying to make money, say so. 'improve user experience' is the oldest, lamest excuse in the book...

You just made the 'user experience' suck by putting it behind a login-wall. One click installers are not new...and you don't need e-mail specific identifiers to collect install logs. I'm calling a giant load of baloney on this one.

smaudet commented Jul 2, 2018

I know that this can feel like a nuisance

Um, what.

Is Docker closed-source freeware all of a sudden?

to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward

Uhuh. You mean, force people to login with an email so we can target them with an ad campaign so we make money??

This feels dishonest. If you're trying to make money, say so. 'improve user experience' is the oldest, lamest excuse in the book...

You just made the 'user experience' suck by putting it behind a login-wall. One click installers are not new...and you don't need e-mail specific identifiers to collect install logs. I'm calling a giant load of baloney on this one.

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Nicnl Jul 4, 2018

I just want to download Docker, not to receive once again a metric ton of spam.

Nicnl commented Jul 4, 2018

I just want to download Docker, not to receive once again a metric ton of spam.

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HuppiFluppi Jul 4, 2018

Just loged in with a spam email address and will create with a new spam email address everytime i want to download it.

HuppiFluppi commented Jul 4, 2018

Just loged in with a spam email address and will create with a new spam email address everytime i want to download it.

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rohrlach Jul 6, 2018

Wow.

This is a really shitty move.

rohrlach commented Jul 6, 2018

Wow.

This is a really shitty move.

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cailin-telenor Jul 9, 2018

This not only feels like it, this IS a huge nuisance. This is stupid, change it back.

cailin-telenor commented Jul 9, 2018

This not only feels like it, this IS a huge nuisance. This is stupid, change it back.

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I have a docker account already because I publish container images, but for consumers that just run images, this is a huge annoyance. Please reconsider this change.

For now, it would appear the direct link still works without logging in, but I wouldn't count on that being valid much longer: https://download.docker.com/win/stable/Docker%20for%20Windows%20Installer.exe

nlowe commented Jul 9, 2018

I have a docker account already because I publish container images, but for consumers that just run images, this is a huge annoyance. Please reconsider this change.

For now, it would appear the direct link still works without logging in, but I wouldn't count on that being valid much longer: https://download.docker.com/win/stable/Docker%20for%20Windows%20Installer.exe

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Jerks.

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we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward

Let's put it behind a loginwall!

Schemetrical commented Jul 11, 2018

we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward

Let's put it behind a loginwall!

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dajudge Jul 13, 2018

This is disgraceful.

dajudge commented Jul 13, 2018

This is disgraceful.

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Here is the link for macOS
https://download.docker.com/mac/stable/Docker.dmg

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pronebird Jul 17, 2018

Such a shame you guys force devs into your store to get what's already publicly available for download. Must be marketing department that thought that's a good move.

pronebird commented Jul 17, 2018

Such a shame you guys force devs into your store to get what's already publicly available for download. Must be marketing department that thought that's a good move.

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Welp, this is enough motivation for me to keep my eyes open for an alternate to Docker.

There's legitimately zero reason to hide it behind a login, and if there are good reasons I'd think this would be a great opportunity to share them.

smokinjoe commented Jul 28, 2018

Welp, this is enough motivation for me to keep my eyes open for an alternate to Docker.

There's legitimately zero reason to hide it behind a login, and if there are good reasons I'd think this would be a great opportunity to share them.

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cwt-ryanrasti Jul 31, 2018

@Nexi89 Just for completeness, here is the link for the edge version as well
https://download.docker.com/mac/edge/Docker.dmg

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@Nexi89 Just for completeness, here is the link for the edge version as well
https://download.docker.com/mac/edge/Docker.dmg

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Do you want to be Oracle? Because this is how you become Oracle. 👎

marmotworks commented Aug 1, 2018

Do you want to be Oracle? Because this is how you become Oracle. 👎

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A download without the login requirement is a much better user experience IMO.

bandtree commented Aug 1, 2018

A download without the login requirement is a much better user experience IMO.

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Well, you know the market power of docker and try to get more information of your users. thats okay but it will not help to spread the docker love and it will not motivate people to develop more apps and services depending on docker, because noone wants to force his users into that marketing/registration shit.

Geddo commented Aug 1, 2018

Well, you know the market power of docker and try to get more information of your users. thats okay but it will not help to spread the docker love and it will not motivate people to develop more apps and services depending on docker, because noone wants to force his users into that marketing/registration shit.

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tylermumford Aug 3, 2018

Yeah, this is an issue. Previously, Docker was free to download. Now I have to pay with my email address and information? Not cool.

tylermumford commented Aug 3, 2018

Yeah, this is an issue. Previously, Docker was free to download. Now I have to pay with my email address and information? Not cool.

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If Docker CE license is Apache 2.0 you must let people download it without asking for an account.

alexkit commented Aug 9, 2018

If Docker CE license is Apache 2.0 you must let people download it without asking for an account.

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@alexkit I don't think that's true. However, the Apache license does allow someone to create an account, download it, and then distribute it themselves, without requiring registration. So someone could create a github repo with the latest releases there, and that couldn't be stopped.

If someone were to do that, then docker would get even less analytics about the number of downloads.

cailin-telenor commented Aug 9, 2018

@alexkit I don't think that's true. However, the Apache license does allow someone to create an account, download it, and then distribute it themselves, without requiring registration. So someone could create a github repo with the latest releases there, and that couldn't be stopped.

If someone were to do that, then docker would get even less analytics about the number of downloads.

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Docker Toolbox can be an alternative as well.

jonkri commented Aug 19, 2018

Docker Toolbox can be an alternative as well.

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This makes for a really bad user experience.

garypaduana commented Aug 20, 2018

This makes for a really bad user experience.

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The point is that people are already looking for alternatives. Not sure this is what you really wanted...

This reminds me of “Who Moved My Cheese”, look for early changes and start looking for “New Cheese” :)

alexkit commented Aug 20, 2018

The point is that people are already looking for alternatives. Not sure this is what you really wanted...

This reminds me of “Who Moved My Cheese”, look for early changes and start looking for “New Cheese” :)

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we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users

How ? How is this extra step and data collection helping the user in any way ?

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we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users

How ? How is this extra step and data collection helping the user in any way ?

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Thank the community for cri-o

SleepyBrett commented Aug 20, 2018

Thank the community for cri-o

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This is a really bad user experience, you shouldn't need to log in to download Docker.

urda commented Aug 21, 2018

This is a really bad user experience, you shouldn't need to log in to download Docker.

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DieLaughing Aug 21, 2018

So glad I have avoided using Docker up until now. Seems like it's managed by some real pieces of work.

DieLaughing commented Aug 21, 2018

So glad I have avoided using Docker up until now. Seems like it's managed by some real pieces of work.

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Docker having trouble monetizing.

bithavoc commented Aug 21, 2018

Docker having trouble monetizing.

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Well, systemd has built in containerization via LXC. AND by using systemd to manage LXCs you get them as service under systemctl -t service. Maybe time to go native?

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Well, systemd has built in containerization via LXC. AND by using systemd to manage LXCs you get them as service under systemctl -t service. Maybe time to go native?

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I guess some idiots in marketing department thought this was a good move. It is not.

primalmotion commented Aug 21, 2018

I guess some idiots in marketing department thought this was a good move. It is not.

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You should probably get in front of this one, you're getting a lot of negative exposure over it.

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You should probably get in front of this one, you're getting a lot of negative exposure over it.

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@joaofnfernandes that's the biggest load of marketing-speak baloney I've read in a long time. I'll be looking into alternatives to Docker for our clients

israelidanny commented Aug 21, 2018

@joaofnfernandes that's the biggest load of marketing-speak baloney I've read in a long time. I'll be looking into alternatives to Docker for our clients

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Why can't I delete my account? Violation of GDPR...

amaccuish commented Aug 21, 2018

Why can't I delete my account? Violation of GDPR...

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About this move:

thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine-meme-template

Mauker1 commented Aug 21, 2018

About this move:

thats-the-evilest-thing-i-can-imagine-meme-template

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"we want users to have a sense of pride and accomplishment when getting their docker installer"

eranation commented Aug 21, 2018

"we want users to have a sense of pride and accomplishment when getting their docker installer"

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The funniest thing is that they even link to the file (which you can still download without registering) in the official docs https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/#install-docker-for-windows-desktop-app

Double-click Docker for Windows Installer.exe to run the installer.
If you haven’t already downloaded the installer (Docker for Windows Installer.exe), you can get it from download.docker.com. It typically downloads to your Downloads folder, or you can run it from the recent downloads bar at the bottom of your web browser.

Or am I missing something and this is something different 😕 ??

dadosch commented Aug 21, 2018

The funniest thing is that they even link to the file (which you can still download without registering) in the official docs https://docs.docker.com/docker-for-windows/install/#install-docker-for-windows-desktop-app

Double-click Docker for Windows Installer.exe to run the installer.
If you haven’t already downloaded the installer (Docker for Windows Installer.exe), you can get it from download.docker.com. It typically downloads to your Downloads folder, or you can run it from the recent downloads bar at the bottom of your web browser.

Or am I missing something and this is something different 😕 ??

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@dadosch Yes, you can work around the problem if you hunt a little. Why should we have to?

If you stay at a friends place, and the city comes and seals their door shut unless you provide the city your email address and log in every time you walk into the city, do you say "I don't see the problem, there's a window right there!" or do you get mad that you now have extra steps to do something as trivial as walk out the door?

What happens when the city screws up and the login doesn't work?

markscsmith commented Aug 21, 2018

@dadosch Yes, you can work around the problem if you hunt a little. Why should we have to?

If you stay at a friends place, and the city comes and seals their door shut unless you provide the city your email address and log in every time you walk into the city, do you say "I don't see the problem, there's a window right there!" or do you get mad that you now have extra steps to do something as trivial as walk out the door?

What happens when the city screws up and the login doesn't work?

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@markscsmith yes, that was my problem. Hence #7179
Yes, I could have made another account with another email, but why should I have to?

witekdev commented Aug 22, 2018

@markscsmith yes, that was my problem. Hence #7179
Yes, I could have made another account with another email, but why should I have to?

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docker drives kubernetes

@AmazingTurtle lol, wut! Docker is far from driving k8s, more now that kubernetes is getting away from Docker and treating containerd as first-class citizen

https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/05/24/kubernetes-containerd-integration-goes-ga/

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docker drives kubernetes

@AmazingTurtle lol, wut! Docker is far from driving k8s, more now that kubernetes is getting away from Docker and treating containerd as first-class citizen

https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/05/24/kubernetes-containerd-integration-goes-ga/

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Is this problem solved? The thread is so long and I don't understand if Docker team still keeps Windows/Mac users from downloading the files directly.

I think there is something unfair. Linux users can download things easily but the Windows/Mac users can't do the same thing. I know that many Linux users often blame Windows, but this Docker way is unfair. Please set a password and email requirements for Linux users too. Be fair, Docker team .

icy commented Aug 22, 2018

Is this problem solved? The thread is so long and I don't understand if Docker team still keeps Windows/Mac users from downloading the files directly.

I think there is something unfair. Linux users can download things easily but the Windows/Mac users can't do the same thing. I know that many Linux users often blame Windows, but this Docker way is unfair. Please set a password and email requirements for Linux users too. Be fair, Docker team .

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@tubbo that password looks semi-random but ...dykmyfap... makes me a tad suspicious :)

pentaphobe commented Aug 22, 2018

@tubbo that password looks semi-random but ...dykmyfap... makes me a tad suspicious :)

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Well, I know what I think about their dev relations team now.

robertp commented Aug 22, 2018

Well, I know what I think about their dev relations team now.

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@icy doing that would effectively kill Docker overnight. They're only doing it to Mac/Windows users because right now they're of the belief that they'll get away with it.

tjpnz commented Aug 22, 2018

@icy doing that would effectively kill Docker overnight. They're only doing it to Mac/Windows users because right now they're of the belief that they'll get away with it.

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michaeljs1990 Aug 22, 2018

@icy lol good luck trying to screw over linux users. Have fun trying to censor the 50 different package managers that will always find away around crap like this.

michaeljs1990 commented Aug 22, 2018

@icy lol good luck trying to screw over linux users. Have fun trying to censor the 50 different package managers that will always find away around crap like this.

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I wonder when they finally release a docker browser toolbar for the maximum browser experience by docker.

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I wonder when they finally release a docker browser toolbar for the maximum browser experience by docker.

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I don't understand some of the outrage voiced here. It's not a big deal to log in, which I was doing anyway to DockerHub/ Docker Cloud.

If they had said I have to pay to use Docker for Windows, that would get me up in big rile. But, that isn't the case. Thankfully. Docker for Windows/ Mac is still free for me to use. And, it is still saving me tons of time as a developer, despite it costing me nothing more than my email address, which they already had anyway. My email address to get the software is a hugely small price to pay.

That being said, I do understand one part of overall issue mentioned. Docker Inc.'s handling of this change has been poor, because it lacks transparency. The replies given to date only fuel the fire. This lack of transparency induces mistrust and indignation, some of which I also feel myself and probably the majority of other users do too - even those that aren't complaining.

As a company, I hope your goal is to be as transparent as possible. If it is, you still have some work to do with this change. It's been a couple of months, since it happened. You can ignore all these users and potential paying customers. But, you really shouldn't ignore the core message. You aren't coming clean with why the change was made, which means you are looking dirty. A dirty company is one that should be avoided in most people's minds. Someone made a comment of Docker turning into an "Oracle-like" company. Please, don't be like Oracle! 😄

Tell us how this change will make things better for us in the future. If it truly doesn't make our lives better in any way, you need to rethink needing to do it. Because, if there is no reason in it for us, then it is only a waste of our time.

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smolinari commented Aug 22, 2018

I don't understand some of the outrage voiced here. It's not a big deal to log in, which I was doing anyway to DockerHub/ Docker Cloud.

If they had said I have to pay to use Docker for Windows, that would get me up in big rile. But, that isn't the case. Thankfully. Docker for Windows/ Mac is still free for me to use. And, it is still saving me tons of time as a developer, despite it costing me nothing more than my email address, which they already had anyway. My email address to get the software is a hugely small price to pay.

That being said, I do understand one part of overall issue mentioned. Docker Inc.'s handling of this change has been poor, because it lacks transparency. The replies given to date only fuel the fire. This lack of transparency induces mistrust and indignation, some of which I also feel myself and probably the majority of other users do too - even those that aren't complaining.

As a company, I hope your goal is to be as transparent as possible. If it is, you still have some work to do with this change. It's been a couple of months, since it happened. You can ignore all these users and potential paying customers. But, you really shouldn't ignore the core message. You aren't coming clean with why the change was made, which means you are looking dirty. A dirty company is one that should be avoided in most people's minds. Someone made a comment of Docker turning into an "Oracle-like" company. Please, don't be like Oracle! 😄

Tell us how this change will make things better for us in the future. If it truly doesn't make our lives better in any way, you need to rethink needing to do it. Because, if there is no reason in it for us, then it is only a waste of our time.

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@smolinari That's the thing, this does nothing to aid the consumer. There's no benefit there.

This is entirely done for corporate purposes:

  • Better way to track downloads/installs.
  • There are some who might not download when looking at the extra busywork, in turn reducing server cost.
  • Better way to advertise because you got a login now, so they know your email-addy.

That's fine. It's a business after all. Of course they want to make money. But what I loathe, truly loathe, is then coming to a thread here and spewing all this "we're doing this to ensure we can improve Docker for your users"-bullshit. No you don't. You want to drive down costs and increase the ability to profile your users for further marketing purposes. At least be honest with your users. 😔

Carighan commented Aug 22, 2018

@smolinari That's the thing, this does nothing to aid the consumer. There's no benefit there.

This is entirely done for corporate purposes:

  • Better way to track downloads/installs.
  • There are some who might not download when looking at the extra busywork, in turn reducing server cost.
  • Better way to advertise because you got a login now, so they know your email-addy.

That's fine. It's a business after all. Of course they want to make money. But what I loathe, truly loathe, is then coming to a thread here and spewing all this "we're doing this to ensure we can improve Docker for your users"-bullshit. No you don't. You want to drive down costs and increase the ability to profile your users for further marketing purposes. At least be honest with your users. 😔

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That's the thing, this does nothing to aid the consumer. There's no benefit there.

I can't say this is true, but I also can't say this is false. That's the whole issue. You claiming it does nothing for you, the consumer, is unfair to Docker, IF there are benefits. It's up to them to make those benefits clear to us.

If it is just a "business approach", then that is what also needs to be said. "We've done this or that, because we, as a business, want this or that. Sorry for the inconvenience it may cause."

Neither have been announced....properly.

The fact the change isn't transparent is what needs attention. The change is happening whether we like it or not. The size of the reluctance to accept the change comes from the lack of transparency.

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smolinari commented Aug 22, 2018

That's the thing, this does nothing to aid the consumer. There's no benefit there.

I can't say this is true, but I also can't say this is false. That's the whole issue. You claiming it does nothing for you, the consumer, is unfair to Docker, IF there are benefits. It's up to them to make those benefits clear to us.

If it is just a "business approach", then that is what also needs to be said. "We've done this or that, because we, as a business, want this or that. Sorry for the inconvenience it may cause."

Neither have been announced....properly.

The fact the change isn't transparent is what needs attention. The change is happening whether we like it or not. The size of the reluctance to accept the change comes from the lack of transparency.

Scott

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I'm so sorry proprietary OS users will have to leave their email to docker, in case they don't already have it (docker hub anyone ? newsletter maybe ?), once every time they install docker on a new machine, it's so sad its makes a mes wannas cries :'(

Keep up the great work !

jpic commented Aug 22, 2018

I'm so sorry proprietary OS users will have to leave their email to docker, in case they don't already have it (docker hub anyone ? newsletter maybe ?), once every time they install docker on a new machine, it's so sad its makes a mes wannas cries :'(

Keep up the great work !

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I think the message echoes the fact that Docker for Windows/Docker for Mac is actually not open-sourced software and have an EULA. By requiring you to login, this may make sure you have accepted the agreements (although installing it also enforce that) and such. I think this is more than a nuisance. Note that I am not a lawyer and the above comment doesn't constitute legal advice.

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I think the message echoes the fact that Docker for Windows/Docker for Mac is actually not open-sourced software and have an EULA. By requiring you to login, this may make sure you have accepted the agreements (although installing it also enforce that) and such. I think this is more than a nuisance. Note that I am not a lawyer and the above comment doesn't constitute legal advice.

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is there a good command reference from docker to containerd ?

ment0s commented Aug 22, 2018

is there a good command reference from docker to containerd ?

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Please set a password and email requirements for Linux users too. Be fair, Docker team .

Oh no

It's retarded

badeball commented Aug 22, 2018

Please set a password and email requirements for Linux users too. Be fair, Docker team .

Oh no

It's retarded

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Rekt

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@jpic no, that's not a good work, my windows-based CI/CD will have trouble.
Now I'll have to download and compile the Docker CE for my M$ machines
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So, this is a big downpoint for Docker

StefanCristian commented Aug 22, 2018

@jpic no, that's not a good work, my windows-based CI/CD will have trouble.
Now I'll have to download and compile the Docker CE for my M$ machines
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So, this is a big downpoint for Docker

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This breaks our automatic packaging and deployment of current software for Mac endpoints.

@joaofnfernandes Is there an enterprise agreement to avoid these logins?

lashomb commented Aug 22, 2018

This breaks our automatic packaging and deployment of current software for Mac endpoints.

@joaofnfernandes Is there an enterprise agreement to avoid these logins?

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i think this is the point where @Microsoft and @google should create collaboration to fork docker and take it from these greedy hands. Or move on to containerD or whatever. Docker is nothing else but a wrapper for containers and it doesn't deserve its position on the market.

ment0s commented Aug 22, 2018

i think this is the point where @Microsoft and @google should create collaboration to fork docker and take it from these greedy hands. Or move on to containerD or whatever. Docker is nothing else but a wrapper for containers and it doesn't deserve its position on the market.

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Docker is not only a wrapper, it's an eco system.
ContainerD is not meant to be used directly.
Quote from containerd.io :

containerd is designed to be embedded into a larger system, rather than being used directly by developers or end-users.

SeriousM commented Aug 22, 2018

Docker is not only a wrapper, it's an eco system.
ContainerD is not meant to be used directly.
Quote from containerd.io :

containerd is designed to be embedded into a larger system, rather than being used directly by developers or end-users.

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ContainerD is not meant to be used directly.

Just spin up minikube + containerd

ulm0 commented Aug 22, 2018

ContainerD is not meant to be used directly.

Just spin up minikube + containerd

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@SeriousM yeah I see there is many alternatives, LXD, Apache mesos, RedHat CoreOS @RedHatOfficial where are you when community needs you :)

ment0s commented Aug 22, 2018

@SeriousM yeah I see there is many alternatives, LXD, Apache mesos, RedHat CoreOS @RedHatOfficial where are you when community needs you :)

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@ment0s I think @RedHatOfficial is the one you're looking for

StefanCristian commented Aug 22, 2018

@ment0s I think @RedHatOfficial is the one you're looking for

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I'm sorry @StefanCristian, but Docker does what they want and redhat has no say ... systemd support has its story... and later redhat moved hopefully with containerd they could work together, but it's not the same product ;)

Keep up the great work everyone and remember to be excellent to each other <3

jpic commented Aug 23, 2018

I'm sorry @StefanCristian, but Docker does what they want and redhat has no say ... systemd support has its story... and later redhat moved hopefully with containerd they could work together, but it's not the same product ;)

Keep up the great work everyone and remember to be excellent to each other <3

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This has made it really difficult for us to use Docker as part of our interviewing process. Whenever as acceptable alternative is available we'll be switching :) For now, we'll just deep link.

lypanov commented Aug 23, 2018

This has made it really difficult for us to use Docker as part of our interviewing process. Whenever as acceptable alternative is available we'll be switching :) For now, we'll just deep link.

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asdfasdfasdf

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Bennu fork of docker it's coming 😎

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Bennu fork of docker it's coming 😎

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Sorry, this is my 3rd post already so I am kind of riding the meme wave at this point, but just wanted to emphasis on this :
topkek

I personally don't mind that much, I use a unique email for almost every service I sign up to which tells me who sells what to whom, but it is still an inconvenience that has no practicality in any manner for the user no matter how hard you lie and how many "user experience disruption for digital nomads that want to become the next serverless b2b2c edge provider moving forward" you throw at us.

I know some decisions are not always in the right people's hands, but if your marketing team or anybody at Docker needs this information, for any reason whatsover, and we ask why you use this, and you evade the answer, how do you think people will react ?

There is absolutely no reason for you to hide behind your statement, except if you are in fact doing something "sketchy" with this data (why would you bs so hard otherwise ? Think about it from a user perspective. I am not saying this is the case. But with what you are telling us, which is nothing, what do you want us to think ?). A simple "we use that to see how much time you spend on docker in a day" or "we track the most used containers" or any thing else in the world apart from "for a better UX" would have been an acceptable answer in this case...

The mere fact this is the direction that Docker is deciding to take explains the backlash happening right now. It's about the the trust you just are not working to gain or maintain from users. Just wait and see what happens once your users don't trust your product.

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Sorry, this is my 3rd post already so I am kind of riding the meme wave at this point, but just wanted to emphasis on this :
topkek

I personally don't mind that much, I use a unique email for almost every service I sign up to which tells me who sells what to whom, but it is still an inconvenience that has no practicality in any manner for the user no matter how hard you lie and how many "user experience disruption for digital nomads that want to become the next serverless b2b2c edge provider moving forward" you throw at us.

I know some decisions are not always in the right people's hands, but if your marketing team or anybody at Docker needs this information, for any reason whatsover, and we ask why you use this, and you evade the answer, how do you think people will react ?

There is absolutely no reason for you to hide behind your statement, except if you are in fact doing something "sketchy" with this data (why would you bs so hard otherwise ? Think about it from a user perspective. I am not saying this is the case. But with what you are telling us, which is nothing, what do you want us to think ?). A simple "we use that to see how much time you spend on docker in a day" or "we track the most used containers" or any thing else in the world apart from "for a better UX" would have been an acceptable answer in this case...

The mere fact this is the direction that Docker is deciding to take explains the backlash happening right now. It's about the the trust you just are not working to gain or maintain from users. Just wait and see what happens once your users don't trust your product.

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Just to add support for the discontent.

we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

lol what.

Popsiclestick commented Aug 23, 2018

Just to add support for the discontent.

we've made this change to make sure we can improve the Docker for Mac and Windows experience for users moving forward.

lol what.

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please share:

http://downloaddocker.com

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soon docker will have a "pay to download"

downloaddocker commented Aug 24, 2018

soon docker will have a "pay to download"

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hey just found out about this and wanted to drop by and say this sucks 🖕🏻

wrose commented Aug 24, 2018

hey just found out about this and wanted to drop by and say this sucks 🖕🏻

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@downloaddocker 3 hours ago

please share:

http://downloaddocker.com

I don't know why this is marked as spam. It does not include any libraries nor is dynamic in any sense. The only thing it does is using google analytics (who doesn't?).

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please share:

http://downloaddocker.com

I don't know why this is marked as spam. It does not include any libraries nor is dynamic in any sense. The only thing it does is using google analytics (who doesn't?).

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I don't use Google Analytics, because I'm smarter than that and fuck them.

DieLaughing commented Aug 25, 2018

I don't use Google Analytics, because I'm smarter than that and fuck them.

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@joaofnfernandes I think this ticked needs to be reopened as the ticket was not resolved and your explanation far from satisfactory.

davidmaes commented Aug 26, 2018

@joaofnfernandes I think this ticked needs to be reopened as the ticket was not resolved and your explanation far from satisfactory.

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