Discussion: More candid and frequent conversations between team members and parties #636

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balupton opened this Issue Sep 6, 2013 · 13 comments

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@balupton
DocPad member

I recently re-stumbled across one of the final chapters in "The Lean Startup" which talks all about how the one missing from a meeting, gets blamed for everything, and how trust gets broken without frequent interaction and conversation.

I know certainly from my past, I've fallen victim to that. However, I've also had the realisation that it also even occurs within myself against others too. A bold realisation I'm happy to have stumbled across.

As such, I'd like to figure out how we can grow the community in such a way that facilitates and builds trusting relationships.

Ideas welcome :)


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@balupton
DocPad member

One idea to throw it out there will be to hold perhaps daily, or as regular as possible, google hangouts on air, where we can do daily recaps of what has happened. The trouble here will be time zones. But, doing something short 30 minutes in the morning, then 30 minutes before bed should circumvent that problem well enough I hope.

It will also be a great way to show the community the active development, and just the personalities, and real people behind the community. Without faces and people being interacted with, we can easily lose touch with the reality that there is a real person, with real feelings, working real hard on these things, and we can start to create our own stories behind the words, and add our own intentions to their personalities, that may or may not actually be there.

Would be up for doing regular google hangouts on air? Do you think it would help build more personal and trusting relationships within the community?

@balupton
DocPad member

Another thing I'd like to try personally is to move as much things that have been traditionally internal discussions, to public channels like github issues. I even recently went as far to consider making a balupton/email repository which automatically imports all my emails to the issue tracker on it. However, considering some emails are private, and without a CLA in place, that could go down a difficult path.

I'd love to hear people's thoughts on how we could further move all of our private conversations to more public and open ones.

@greduan

Would be up for doing regular google hangouts on air? Do you think it would help build more personal and trusting relationships within the community?

I think this would be a good thing. I mean not all of us have a web cam or prefer to not put our photos on the internet that freely (like me), but having a voice that people can listen to regularly gives us more of a presence. If we go this way I'll be looking into a way to be able to voice chat more freely. :)

An idea for this is that perhaps some of these daily meetings should be more personal perhaps? Instead of just talking about DocPad maybe talk about each other, each other's tastes in music for example, favorite programming languages stuff like that. Just so that slowly we can become better and better friends.

I'd love to hear people's thoughts on how we could further move all of our private conversations to more public and open ones.

A quick answer to this is IRC. However it seems IRC hasn't worked all that well?

@balupton
DocPad member

That's really great feedback about the hangouts idea. Thanks for that.

Re IRC. The problem with IRC is that not everyone is use to it, understands it, and that it is not publicly available in the sense that it is recorded and available for reference by anyone and everyone.

@greduan

I believe the IRC has a setting to save all of it's history. I know several IRCs with all of it's history still there. But yeah the accessibility is an issue. How about a forum system?

@balupton
DocPad member

We have essentially what is a forum here. And then we have support channels on stack overflow. Which works well. I think the trick is figuring out how we can ease the movement from private conversations to public conversations on these channels perhaps? Rather than necessarily adding a new channel to the works.

@Delapouite
DocPad member

Good points! Benjamin you're truly an awesome OS leader.

Concerning hangouts, keep in mind that a lot of contributors are not English native speakers, and there's a huge gap between being able to discuss on a forum and handle a full oral conversation.

@greduan

@Delapouite Good point. I didn't have any problems so I didn't think about that... How do you suggest we handle that?

@balupton
DocPad member

Good points! Benjamin you're truly an awesome OS leader.

Hehe thanks, I sure try hard!

@Delapouite Good point. I didn't have any problems so I didn't think about that... How do you suggest we handle that?

Agreed, I wonder too. Perhaps this kind of aligns with #635 about promoting public domain conversations. Perhaps if we can promote a community that is constantly discussing things via google hangouts, we could equally have conversations with those who speak other languages also participating.

For instance, we have an english one, @DjebbZ participates, @DjebbZ then holds a french one, the french speakers can participate in the comments from the published english youtube video, as well as us participate on the french youtube video if those who are multilingual provide a multilingual recap at the end of each hangout or meeting.

@greduan

For instance, we have an english one, @DjebbZ participates, @DjebbZ then holds a french one, the french speakers can participate in the comments from the published english youtube video, as well as us participate on the french youtube video if those who are multilingual provide a multilingual recap at the end of each hangout or meeting.

So he absorbs whatever happened and basically translates it into French? That's cool and I think that would be a possible solution. I could do that for Spanish, I'll just have to practice my Spanish names for programming terms. :)

@DjebbZ

Hey thanks for mentioning me !

Now, I'm not contributing to Docpad much these times (although I'd like to do more, especially since the various GUIs appeared), but here's my 2 cents :

  • IRC ? Nope. Github issues are perfect.
  • Google Hangouts ? Why not. Nothing beats live discussions, and it may be a great way to grow a community. I don't remember about a community that based their discussions on webcam-based tools. However, it's not in the open as much as text-based discussions, so one would have to sum up religiously during each meeting to textually report and let the Hangouts be open.
  • English VS the rest of world ? Well, I may be French (ok, I am), but I acknowledged long ago that English IS the only human language useful in the IT field. Translating is a waste of time, at least until the community grows A LOT. Docpad is not Linux or Wikipedia though. I'd rather communicate and write blog posts/code/issues/whatever about Docpad in English than translating stuff in French. I'd feel like others are going forward in getting things done and I would stay behind.

Or maybe we should just move to Australia close to @balupton ;)

Just my opinion.

@greduan

@balupton So when is this gonna happen? ;)

@greduan

@balupton Last time this was touched was 3 months ago.

I'd like to say, this is what I would probably consider ideal:

  • GitHub issues should be used for listing things that should be done (features and stuff) and bugs that have been confirmed to be bugs and need to be fixed. More of like a todo list or something along those lines.
  • StackOverflow for how to achieve certain stuff with DocPad. More specific to code problems and solutions. Like it is used right now.
  • A forum. This is for discussions and news and stuff like that. My idea is for it to work like a forum for discussions and a general news place for DocPad. Like the ones we have on GitHub right now but in a media that's more made for it, IMO.
  • And the IRC would be used the same way the forums are used except it's no place for news or serious conversations. More like a place for questions about DocPad people may have.
  • Maybe a mailing list but it would only contain news. This could also be a mail subscription kind of thing.
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