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Education should cover bootcamps #10

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sagesharp opened this Issue Oct 13, 2017 · 11 comments

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sagesharp commented Oct 13, 2017

Not everyone has a formal university education. Some people are self-taught. Some people may have attended developer boot camps. Boot camps have various lengths of time (anywhere from six weeks to 2-3 years). I'm not sure how to break up those schools. Maybe:

[ ] self-taught
[ ] bootcamp, 3 months or less
[ ] bootcamp, 6 months or less
[ ] bootcamp, 1 year or less
[ ] bootcamp, 2 years or less
[ ] bootcamp, 3 years or less

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drnikki commented Oct 13, 2017

I'm on the fence about including Education at all, given it's relationships to class, privilege, etc etc, and I've heard folks advocate for and against.

With it included, definitely bootcamps and other forms of short-term technical training should be included. A few thoughts:

  • I don't want to belittle those forms of education by calling them "non-degree" programs
  • I wonder about the value of including the time spent in bootcamps
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emmairwin commented Oct 13, 2017

Question is bootcamp a modern term? I only ever took a one year programming diploma, which on reflection was pretty bootcamp-esque. What do people come out of bootcamps with? A certificate?

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hmitsch commented Oct 13, 2017

And another aspect: Looking at this from a German language&culture, the term bootcamp does not make much sense to me. Might this be a very Northern American concept?

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sagesharp commented Oct 13, 2017

@emmairwin I'm not sure what official paperwork people come out of the bootcamp with. I've heard about 1.5 year bootcamps like Dev Bootcamp and 2 year coding schools designed more like a traditional education like Holberton School

@hmitsch Perhaps the term "Coding school" is more widely used?

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hmitsch commented Oct 13, 2017

Aaaah, I understand "Coding school" ... could be too narrow though, right?

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drnikki commented Oct 16, 2017

Also, keeping in mind that people who belong to an OSS community are contributors in many ways, we'd ideally have respondents who are writers, designers, UX folks, etc. So I'd want to make sure we include bootcamp-style design or UX programs as well. Thinking about people who do a short course at places like General Assembly. Not a bootcamp, but not really self-taught either.

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KaiBot3000 commented Oct 16, 2017

How about breaking out some college/technical training into:

  • some college
  • technical course such as a coding school

The hard part here is I have both of the above. Assuming they're "select one", that makes it harder to choose.

And let's also include:

  • self-taught
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drnikki commented Oct 16, 2017

So, sounds like folks want to convert radio buttons () in the doc to checkboxes [] in the doc, which I support.

We also need to really define what we're asking. The original question:

What is your education level?
() Some high school
() Some college/technical training
() Completed college
() Completed master's degree
() Completed Ph.D

..asks about "education level" which implies a more old-timey way of asking something like "where did you leave the traditional school system". Is this a useful question on it's own? Or are we looking for information like

  • "where did you learn the skills you're contributing?"
  • "how many kinds of 'education' do you consider yourself having"

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KaiBot3000 commented Oct 16, 2017

Ah, I didn't realize () was markdown for radio buttons. I'm 👍 on keeping them as radio buttons, if we're looking at it as where did you leave the traditional school system. If that's the case, the original range also looks good to me.

This gets at a meta-question that I've seen touched on in a few open issues: is the goal to make inclusive versions of common demographic questions, or to re-imagine what kinds of questions we should be asking? (which we probably don't need to get into here)

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drnikki commented Oct 18, 2017

@KaiBot3000 I'd love to open a new issue for "what kinds of questions should we be asking". This first pass is inclusive versions of common questions, because those are the data points that people use in conversation about community membership. If, as a terrible example, we all agreed that we should be asking if a person is left-handed, and we added that.... I don't know that people in broader conversations would use that data point.

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drnikki commented Jun 2, 2018

To make this easier for new folks to get caught up, this is our existing education question:

https://github.com/drnikki/open-demographics/blob/master/doc-source/questions/education.rst

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