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Such Sweet Thunder Co CK 65568 etc. #56

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cdyson37 opened this issue Jun 21, 2022 · 1 comment
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Such Sweet Thunder Co CK 65568 etc. #56

cdyson37 opened this issue Jun 21, 2022 · 1 comment

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cdyson37 commented Jun 21, 2022

From EC:

(A)

57041501 CO57712-6 02 Sonnet For Caesar              DE5715a
57041502 CO57713-4 05 Sonnet In Search Of A Moor     DE5715b
57041504 CO57715-2 08 Sonnet For Sister Kate         DE5715d

have been issued on the CD by Columbia Legacy "Such Sweet Thunder" CK 65568 (1999). Earlier, in 1989 they had been issued on CBS COL 469140 2 in France (that release is important because it includes the original correct take of Up And Down... with Clark Terry's famous "Lord, what fools these mortals be", missing on CK 65568

(B)
You may want to add COL 469140 2 to the following items:

57042402	CO57721-12 07. Up And Down, Up And Down        Co CL-1033, UA NUA-7                 DE5718a
57042403	CO57722-3 01. Such Sweet Thunder               Co CL-1033, Co CK 65568, UA NUA-7    DE5718b
57042404	CO57723-4 04. Lady Mac Co                      CL-1033, Co CK 65568, UA NUA-7       DE5718c

(C)

03 May 1957
SUCH SWEET THUNDER
57050301 CO57906-7    03. Sonnet To Hank Cinq      Co CL-1033, Co CK-65568, UA NUA-7      DE5721a
57050302 CO57907-     06. The Telecast,ers         Co CK-65568                            DE5721xa
57050303 CO57907-4    06. The Telecast,ers.        Co CL-1033                             DE5721b
57050304 CO57714-4.   10. Madness In Great Ones    Co CL-1033, Co CK-65568, UA NUA-7      DE5721c
57050305 CO57714-     10. Madness In Great Ones    Co CL-1033                             DE5721xd
57050306 CO57015-     09. Star-Crossed Lovers      Co CL-1033, Co CK-65568                DE5721xb
57050307 CO57015-     09. Star-Crossed Lovers      Co CL-1033, UA NUA-7                   DE5721d
57050308 CO57908-2.   12. Circle Of Fourths        Co CL-1033, UA NUA-7                   DE5721e
57050309 CO57908-4    12. Circle Of Fourths        Co CK-65568                            DE5721xc

In the session above, ellingtonia is almost aligned with NDCS 1005, which lists Co CL-1033 in brackets for some item, meaning a fragment or incomplete take. From NDCS 1005:

DE5721xd.             10. Madness In Great Ones    (Co CL-1033)                     CO57714-      
DE5721xb              09. Star-Crossed Lovers      (Co CL-1033),Co CK-65568         CO57715-      

However looking at NDCS 3001, that contains the track list of Co CK-65568, some more tracks from the May3 session are in Co CK-65568. Therefore, my opinion is that the following corrections should be done.

57050307 CO57015-     09. Star-Crossed Lovers      Co CL-1033, Co CK-65568, UA NUA-7      DE5721d
57050308 CO57908-2.   12. Circle Of Fourths        Co CL-1033, Co CK-65568, UA NUA-7      DE5721e

Again, the French CD COL 469140 2 is worth to be mentioned, and can be added to all the occurrences of CL-1033.

(D)
57050302 and 03 should be The Telecasters, not The Telecast,ers.

(E)
According to Bulletin 01/3 DEMS 15/2,

57050307 CO57015-           09. Star-Crossed Lovers                Co CL-1033, UA NUA-7                 DE5721d

is take 4.

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I asked EC a couple of questions:

  1. Co CK 65568 is missing one complete ("preferred") take of Café Au Lait, plus outtakes. It's also missing one take of Star-Crossed Lovers / Pretty Girl. The notes on discogs claim it has three previously unreleased tracks, namely Star-Crossed, Fourths and A Flat Minor. https://www.discogs.com/release/4964427-Duke-Ellington-And-His-Orchestra-Such-Sweet-Thunder

  2. COL 469140 2 and CL-1033 (which have the same track listing) have two takes of Madness and two takes of Star Crossed (there's only one each in reality). I wonder if they're composites, hence the brackets in NDESOR? Maybe the 'x' means incomplete in the DESOR number? Also, there should be a take of Half The Fun (Lately) but that's missing.

EC's response:

  1. Here is the content of the CD CK 65568 in session order, as per NDCS 3001. The number on the first column is the CD track number. Tracks 20, 21 and 22 contains different (out)takes. In case of inconsistencies between the NDESOR# and the SessionId, take the former as reference (I have added the SessionId manually).
#  SessionId Title        (NDESOR#)
-----------------------------------
20 56080701  A Flat Minor (5625a)
   56080702  A Flat Minor (5625b)
   56080703  A Flat Minor (5625xa)
   56080704  A Flat Minor (5625c)
16 56080705  A·Flat Minor (5625d)
18 56080706  Half The Fun (5625e)
11 56080707  Half The Fun (5625f)
19 56080708  Suburban Beauty (5625g)
15 56080709  Suburban Beauty (5625h)
21 56120604  Cafe Au Lait (5638d)
   56120605  Cafe Au Lait (5638e)
   56120607  Cafe Au Lait (5638g)
   56120608  Cafe Au Lait (5638h)
   56120609  Cafe Au Lait (5638i)
17 56120612  Cafe Au Lait (5638l)
22 56120613  Star Crossed Lovers (5638m)
   56120614  Star Crossed Lovers (5638n)
   56120615  Star Crossed Lovers (5638o)
   56120616  Star Crossed Lovers (5638p)
   56120617  Star Crossed Lovers (5638q)
02 57041501  Sonnet For Caesar (5715a)
05 57041502  Sonnet In Search Of A Moor (5715b)
08 57041504  Sonnet For Sister Kate (5715d)
07 57042401  Up And Down, Up And Down (5718xa)
01 57042403  Such Sweet Thunder (5718b)
04 57042404  Lady Mac (5718c)
03 57050301  Sonnet To Hank Cinq (5721a)
06 57050302  The Telecasters (5721xa)
10 57050304  Madness In Great Ones (5721c)
13 57050306  Star·Crossed Lovers (5721xb)
09 57050307  Star·Crossed Lovers (5721d)
12 57050308  Circle Of Fourths (5721e)
14 57050309  Circle Of Fourths (5721xc)
  1. The content of COL 469140 2 and CL-1033 includes the following title:
56080707  11. Half The Fun   DE5625f

(Co CL-1031 in ellingtonia.com is evidently a typo),

Madness in Great Ones and Star-Crossed Lovers are mentioned twice, because composites. The brackets in NDESOR mean a fragment inserted in the main take.

Maybe the 'x' means incomplete in the DESOR number?

No. The DESOR numbers with 'x' are titles discovered at a later time (newly discovered alternate takes for example). The 'x' is a wild card that stands for "out of sequence".
Incomplete titles are the ones in brackets.
Similarly, newly discovered sessions that would be out of sequence are numbered starting from DE9000.

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