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26 & 30 September 1959 #71

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cdyson37 opened this issue Jul 4, 2022 · 1 comment
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26 & 30 September 1959 #71

cdyson37 opened this issue Jul 4, 2022 · 1 comment

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cdyson37 commented Jul 4, 2022

From EC, with two related parts:

(A) 26 September 1959.

Here is a tricky situation.
The two concerts in Stockholm have been discussed a lot. And 6 titles originally believed to belong to the 2nd concert were finally assigned to the 1st concert. Therefore we read in DEMS 02/3-25,26,27 and NDCS 5005, 5006, based on the discussion on DEMS 02/3-13/2.

5005
Session 5932. Delete: 5932a 5932m 593n2 5932p 5932q 5932r (DEMS 02/3-13/2)
Crescendo in Blue. Change 5932r into 5931xf. (DEMS 02/3-13/2)
Diminuendo in Blue. Change 5932p into 5931xd. (DEMS 02/3-13/2)
Jam with Sam. Change 5932n into 5931xc. (DEMS 02/3-1312)

5006
Take the "A" Train. Change 5932a into 5931xa. (DEMS 02/3-13/2)
V.l.P.' Boogie. Change 5932m into 5931xb. (DEMS 02/3-13/2)
Wailing Interval. Change 5932q into 5931xe. (DEMS 02/3-1312)

Does this mean that the following lines should be removed from ellingtonia.com?

59092620 Take The "A" Train (theme) DE5932a
59092632 V.I.P. Boogie DE5932m
59092633 Jam With Sam DE5932n
59092646 ¬ Diminuendo In Blue DE5932p
59092647 | Wailing Interval DE5932q
59092648 _| Crescendo In Blue DE5932r

Ellingtonia already includes 5931xa, xb, xc, xd, xe, xf for the corresponding titles in the first concert.

(B) 30 September 1959 Copenhagen concert.

My understanding is that this 30 Sep concert was discovered in a tape, that was originally dated 24 Sep 1959, and has subsequently been given the date of 30 Sep, the actual date of Copenhagen concert.
However, the tape was a fake, it in fact contains recordings from the 20 Sept Paris concerts and the 26 Sept Stockholm 2nd concert.

This is explained on the website of the Duke Ellington Society of Sweden (DESS), at https://ellington.se/2019/02/04/copenhagen-sep-30-1959-corrected/

The Copenhagen 30 Sep 1959 is detailed in the NDCS 1107 and I believe ellingtonia content for the session is based on it.

The fake tape content is detailed, with the proper origin of all titles, in the document at https://ellington.se/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/content-fake-tape-cph-sep-30-1959.pdf .

The two lists are identical. Was the ellingtonia list based on the content of the "fake" tape? in that case it is not a reliable list of the actual 30 Sep concert, I would say.

The last titles would be
Diminuendo In Blue/Wailing Interval/Crescendo In Blue
from the 2nd concert in Stockholm on 26 Sep 1959.
The same ones that as DE5932p,q,r should be deleted as per the previous point.
So, instead of removing them, might they be given the id DE9099s DE9099t OE9099u?
How should this whole matter be dealt with in ellingtonia?

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After discussion with EC, here's the plan of action:

  1. Strike out DE5932a,m,n

  2. Remove DE numbers from DE 5932p,q,r because they're ambiguous, but add a note explaining what happened

  3. Add a note that the Copenhagen session is going to be deleted

I'll leave this issue open to remind us to delete (3).

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