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README (contact, details) #91

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ng-0 opened this Issue Nov 2, 2018 · 10 comments

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ng-0 commented Nov 2, 2018

To chat about elogind:

#guix on irc.freenode.org

While it is true that we can still answer questions about elogind, I am not sure if pointing to the guix channel is still appropriate.
Every now and then developers end up in our channel asking for advice.

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  • Maintainer clarification.
    • I assume @Yamakuzure is the maintainer or at least most frequent developer of elogind these days. You can only find this out by analyzing the git commits (and eventually by reading Yamakuzure's website). It would be good to point this out.
  • How do you contribute or file bugs without an github account?
    • Sometimes people ask about this, and while I generally know how to do this myself if I would have to, it would be good if you could document a recommended procedure for this.
  • Do you have a chat room or a mailinglist?
    • if not, it is probably only misleading to point to guix IRC channel. Let's figure out an alternative solution.
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Yamakuzure commented Nov 2, 2018

@ng-0 : Thank you very much for your feedback!

Your timing is astonishingly perfect. I am sick at the moment, stomach flu since wednesday, but I got up to answer you as this is important.
For a while now I had the feeling that a forum would be nice.
As you have seen, my page prydeworx.com is far from complete. I have very limited spare time, so filling it with all the details of all projects I am involved in is a slow business.

However, there might be a good use to have some sort of communication that is not related to issue tracking, so a forum might be nice. I have no time lingering on IRC, so unfortunately, that's off the table.

As I use wordpress (don't have the time to do it myself), plugins like bbPress or buddyPress came to my mind. But they aren't convenient for offering a place to talk about projects that aren't related.

Currently, or at least once I am fit again, I'll have to make up my mind whether to use phpBB or myBB. My provider also offers Vanilla, but I don't like their unintuitive (almost "alien") design.

@ALL: I'd really appreciate everybodys input on that, including arguments for something else than phpBB or myBB.

For the next service releases, the README will be improved accordingly, of course.

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kensington commented Nov 7, 2018

I've used phpBB before and liked it, however I think as maintainer you should pick whatever you like best.

If there's interest in a more traditional mailing list and/or bug tracker, one option for hosting could be possibly getting them added to the existing Gentoo infrastructure (although I'm unsure if this level of association is desirable or not).

If there's interest for a dedicated IRC channel, I'm happy to take care of that as I do use IRC a bit.

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wingo commented Nov 7, 2018

I agree with @kensington that as maintainer, @Yamakuzure you should do what you like :)

For what little it's worth: I would idle in an IRC channel or mailing list but probably not be active. I probably would not visit a forum myself, but I am no good at doing community-building things, so that doesn't count for much :) I don't see any problem with elogind using infrastructure from any distro, Gentoo or otherwise.

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Yamakuzure commented Nov 8, 2018

Well, I am not very comfortable with mailing lists. They tend to ... get spammy.

@kensington : If you'd like to set up an IRC channel, then please feel free to do so. I have no time for doing much, and I do not know whether I can really get into IRC again for now. But as it just was decided that I'll switch jobs on January 1st, and there I'll be at least perfectly capable to idle all day in the channel, I think a dedicated channel would at leas be nice. (I'll most probably need a ping to react, though)

For bug reporting the GitHub issue tracker is fine, so I don't think anything else is needed.

However, I had an E-Mail conversation with Stefan Stefanović , who's working on updating elogind on GuixSD. He had some really good ideas which I'll take forth. (Memo to self: Add issues for what Stefan reported!)
But E-Mail conversations, although completely in order, are the least public ones. He has no GitHub account, but when I had a forum where he could use some alternative logins, that would've been nice.

Additionally I have different groups of interest, so some sort of group system enabling/disabling certain areas would be nice.

So as there doesn't seem to be any particular preferences, I'll go checking which of the two forums systems can do both best. (Alternative logins, so nobody needs to register explicitly, and at least group wise privileges.)

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kensington commented Nov 9, 2018

OK, I registered #elogind on freenode.

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Yamakuzure commented Nov 9, 2018

OK, I registered #elogind on freenode.

Great!
I can't test it from work, as IRC is blocked. But I'll come and have a look tonight.
Thank you very much!

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Yamakuzure commented Nov 13, 2018

Just an update o the forum thing:

I have taken a good look at the demos of both phpBB and myBB. Both support all the features I need, so I thought I'll just have a look and fiddle around with them a bit.

myBB was a lot snappier, but then this doesn't tell much as both are demos, and who knows what was going on with the phpBB one at that time. However, the quick answer feature from myBB is great. And they have some nice and neat extra features, like giving stars for topics and posts. Nothing crucial, but nice-to-have anyway.

But I wasn't convinced, yet, and wanted another test: What do these demos show on my phone?
Mobile devices are very important these days, and I am often doing stuff when I am on my (long) way to work or back home. But I am not able to use my laptop on this way in all stages, so being able to use my phone if something important goes on, is more than just nice to have.

First I tested phpBB and it is responsive, thus being perfectly usable on my phone.
Then I tested myBB and it is not responsive, thus being absolutely unusable.

The last chance for myBB would be if there was a way to change to a responsive theme. Otherwise it will be phpBB.

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ng-0 commented Nov 16, 2018

I know I have no stake in elogind, so see it as general mindstorming contribution:

The nim (Nim language) forum runs on something which resembles but actually is not Discourse:
https://forum.nim-lang.org/

And earlier this month I watched a presentation about Firestorm:
https://github.com/dailydrip/firestorm

Of both of these, Firestorm looked to be most promising (probably worth adding: written in Elixir and Elm, very responsive), but both (seem to be) actively developed.
So phpBB is not necessary.

Yamakuzure added a commit that referenced this issue Nov 20, 2018

Prep v240: Update README, we have an #elogind channel on freenode now
Thanks to kensington there is #elogind on freenode, which substitutes
the old mentioning of the #guix channel.

Further information about Sven Eden bein the current main maintainer,
and the elogind wiki page, which lists more possibilities, were
added.

Bug: #91
Closes: #91
Signed-Off-By: Sven Eden <sven.eden@prydeworx.com>

Yamakuzure added a commit that referenced this issue Nov 20, 2018

Prep v240: Update README, we have an #elogind channel on freenode now
Thanks to kensington there is #elogind on freenode, which substitutes
the old mentioning of the #guix channel.

Further information about Sven Eden bein the current main maintainer,
and the elogind wiki page, which lists more possibilities, were
added.

Bug: #91
Closes: #91
Signed-Off-By: Sven Eden <sven.eden@prydeworx.com>
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Yamakuzure commented Nov 20, 2018

I hope these changes are okay with everybody!

@ng-0 : Thank you for your feedback!

I will take a look at both. If they are easy to install and maintain, I'll consider them.

phpBB is currently only second place. I found nice responsive themes for myBB, which is on first place now. Well, unless 'nim' or 'Firestorm' don't replace it.

The reason to favor myBB is, that there is a plugin that adds social media logins right in the myBB library, while this has to be added from 3rd party to phpBB. At least I couldn't find such a plugin in the official lists.

I want users to be able to use social media logins, because I think that, even with all my projects eventually added, forcing people to sign up would be a hindrance. (Not another account somewhere!)

Well, we'll see. First I'll take a look at your suggestions, then I'll have a test install of "the winner". ;-)

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Yamakuzure commented Nov 20, 2018

@ng-0 : I had a look at the nim-lang forum. It has a design in the line of Vanilla, which I find very unintuitive and alien. No clear structure, just threads put under each other endlessly. I am sure there is some way to "filter" by some sort of "category", like with Vanilla, but that is not what I am looking for.

FireStorm looks nice. It surely looks like the "Vanilla-Style" flood of threads, but their front page features a big fat "Categories" link. Beyond that it is more intuitive than others, and really fast.
However, I had a look at the installation instructions, and I do not understand half of it.

Thanks again for those findings. But lack of spare time means that I think I'll be better of with myBB in the long run. Or at least for now.

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