Prototype Killmail Data

[a-tal]

As per the announcement by CCP Seagull during the Fanfest 2018 keynote, we have been prototyping an alternative killmail system. This new system runs outside of the monolith, and does not add any additional load to battles, etc.

There is no release date for this. We would like to gather player feedback around the data.

There is an accompanying commit for this issue which contains some example killmails from the battle of 9-4. Keep in mind these are not the final models for this data.

What follows is an example, cut down version of what you can expect from the new killmail system. For full examples please see the new_killmails directory in this repository.

{
    "allies": [
        {
            "owner_id": 911710003,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1016139319185,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 2240.0,
                            "item_activation_count": 9,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 16451
                        },
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 448.0,
                            "item_activation_count": 13,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 16447
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 11987
                }
            ]
        },
        {
            "owner_id": 94689960,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1024261282294,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 4928.0,
                            "item_activation_count": 11,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 16455
                        },
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 238.91807038459228,
                            "item_activation_count": 2,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 16447
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 11989
                }
            ]
        }
    ],
    "enemies": [
        {
            "owner_id": 93285732,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1026355872766,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 36.0,
                            "item_activation_count": 1,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 14158
                        },
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 0,
                            "item_activation_count": 0,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 448
                        },
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 0,
                            "item_activation_count": 0,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 527
                        },
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 370.7250589254084,
                            "item_activation_count": 12,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 3082
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 29988
                }
            ]
        },
        {
            "owner_id": 96150783,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1026443961967,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 467.5786904365719,
                            "item_activation_count": 1,
                            "item_target_id": 1023459972182,
                            "item_type_id": 9491
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 17732
                }
            ]
        },
        {
            "owner_id": 765184199,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1025207795128,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 175.06290818742428,
                            "item_activation_count": 12,
                            "item_target_id": 1026624606651,
                            "item_type_id": 16451
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 11987
                }
            ]
        },
        {
            "owner_id": 93898272,
            "owner_ships": [
                {
                    "ship_id": 1026585408585,
                    "ship_items": [
                        {
                            "item_activation_amount": 0,
                            "item_activation_count": 10,
                            "item_target_id": 1026624606651,
                            "item_type_id": 16451
                        }
                    ],
                    "ship_type_id": 11987
                }
            ]
        }
    ],
    "killer": {
        "owner_alliance_id": 99002938,
        "owner_corp_id": 98389189,
        "owner_id": 1593413364,
        "ship_id": 1026629247321,
        "ship_kill_count": 1,
        "ship_name": "T-F-I",
        "ship_skin_id": 213,
        "ship_type_id": 17732,
        "weapon_amount": 1003.8719019683282,
        "weapon_type_id": 2961
    },
    "killmail_id": "f97778b9-05ea-464a-893b-af9af581ae1c",
    "sim_timestamp": 131612146562377872,
    "solar_system_id": 30004059,
    "timestamp": "2018-01-24T00:56:08.221787Z",
    "victim": {
        "owner_alliance_id": 1354830081,
        "owner_corp_id": 98370861,
        "owner_id": 95576839,
        "ship_id": 1023459972182,
        "ship_items": [
            {
                "destroyed": false,
                "flag_id": 5,
                "singleton": false,
                "stack_size": 9,
                "type_id": 32014
            },
            {
                "destroyed": true,
                "flag_id": 30,
                "singleton": true,
                "stack_size": 1,
                "type_id": 9491
            },
            {
                "destroyed": false,
                "flag_id": 31,
                "singleton": false,
                "stack_size": 11,
                "type_id": 28332
            }
        ],
        "ship_kill_count": null,
        "ship_name": "INS Glory",
        "ship_skin_id": null,
        "ship_type_id": 17738,
        "ship_was_piloted": true
    }
}

[sbatman]

Will this include local boosters (drugs etc ) the pilot was taking ?
Any chance of getting coordinates of all pilots at moment of death ? (i would love velocities if possible) and would make creating representations of the kill possible?

1. How will this handle the new abyssal modules? Are the dynamic item attributes going to be returned within the ship_items block? e.g. an associative array containing the modified attributes?

2. as @sbatman pointed i too think out coordinates would be helpful!

3. The victim corporation and alliance is snapshotted within the killmail, would it also be possible to do this for all other related pilots?

4. Would it be possible to show if a module was online/active or not at the time of death for the victim? e.g. if the victim was currently in siege, industry mode or bastion mode or if one of their guns was offline because they ran out of CPU on their fit?

5. Would it be possible to show the current (de)buffs and active timers for the affected pilots?

[sbatman]

Heat level of modules would also be a plus as some ships get massive gains from overheats

Heat level of modules would also be a plus as some ships get massive gains from overheats

Maybe just return all item attributes that differ from the original attributes as defined in the SDE?

[DaneelTrevize]

What would killer's weapon_amount, weapon_type_id, and other objects & properties be for self-destructs?
Put another way, what commonly used aspects would have to be declared optional, or not always assumed to contain a resolvable value, because of such edge-cases?

[jameson2011]

With ship names now persietent and distributed around the world do you envisage filtering (I wont apply any personally... but others might and others will forget) or would you drop the name from the map altogether?

EDIT: please ignore this. Publish all names freely and without restraint.

[antihax]

Please include bounty, insurance, and LP payout.

[jameson2011]

As sbateman and others have said coordinates are essential. Only way to discriminate gate camps, etc

[jameson2011]

Would it be possoble to include, in addition to 3d coords, ids /names of transient celestials such as FW plexes, anomalies, ice fields, etc?

Implants and rigs that were pulled slightly prior to death.

@jameson2011 probably. I'd want to investigate a little before I stamped it definitely technically fine. I'd say it's mostly a question of how we present that data. Those objects are, as you say, transient, so we couldn't have another endpoint for querying their item ID's for details because the data would just vanish next downtime. We might be able to stamp it with something like "near Ice Field (Glacial Mass)" as a purely textual thing.

Current killmails already have coordinates, and we are aiming for new killmails to be a strict superset of current killmails, so coordinates are confirmed.

[ficti0n1]

Currently Killmails can already break if theres too much lag /TIDI in the system. Is making Killmails a load more complex not going to make this work?

@ ficti0n1 short answer is that we expect p much everything to be better. That's not really a discussion for this ticket though, poke me on slack for more details :)