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Sign upFee market change for ETH 1.0 chain #1559
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Regarding ethpricing.pdf and your notes on time-value of storage. Please consider this concrete implementation of a solution: #1418. This implements lazy evaluation and does not require pokes. |
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I think '//' means integer division. |
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This proposal is completely separate from storage maintenance fees; it's purely about gas as it exists within the current 1.0 chain. |
Doesn't this creates an incentive to mine empty blocks? Since the miner gets only a 1/1000 of the current transaction fees, and instead they go to a public commons, while a naive miner is incentivized to put as much as possible in the pot so they can get more in the future, a selfish miner could decide to save computation time by ignoring all transactions. They still get the fee and it's the next miner that will get penalized for his actions. Of course, it's a prisoner's dilemma: if all miners refuse transactions it's worse for everyone, but if others cooperate and you refuse, then you get rewarded. |
Ah sorry, I did not mean to say that the incentive to include transactions is literally zero. The |
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What do you think about introducing smoothing (aggregating |
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Anyone wanting to tweak the parameters on something like this would be well advised to read Feedback Control for Computer Systems. I think this will need some simulation to determine the correct parameters. |
There is already implicit smoothing because each block only moves the fee by a relatively small amount.
That's definitely interesting! I guess the goal would be to make MINFEE predictable N blocks in advance instead of just one? Certainly doable though it would add complexity. |
I am getting this book tomorrow :) |
Are you kidding, this has to be a horrible book for Feedback or Control Theory. Is this the principal forum for discussion on these matters? |
I think an applications of Controls Theory concepts is very interesting here. In order for it to work though, you have to identify a few things in the system: what are we optimizing for? what are our "control variables" (things we can control in the protocol)? what are our sensory inputs we can read (things we can observe)? how do we want to model the system we are controlling (the "plant")? There are tons of very interesting things that can be done, very simply and very effectively (especially since we have a TON of data to analyze about the current system), but applying controls theory works best when you go through the exercise of defining the system in the framework. It might be good to start by modeling the existing system using a Controls Theory model (State Space or "classical") |
I vote we move discussion to https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-1559-fee-market-change-for-eth-1-0-chain/2783 It's a better forum for these types of discussions |
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Closed now that the EIP is specified here and the discussion-thread is here |
Motivation
Provide a concrete proposal for implementing the fee market proposed in https://ethresear.ch/t/draft-position-paper-on-resource-pricing/2838 on the current 1.0 chain.
See zcash/zcash#3473 for more detailed arguments for why this is a good idea.
Parameters
FORK_BLKNUM: TBDMINFEE_MAX_CHANGE_DENOMINATOR: 8TARGET_GASUSED: 8000000Proposal
For all blocks where
block.number >= FORK_BLKNUM:GASLIMITfield in the block header with aMINFEEfield (the same field can be used)PARENT_MINFEEbe the parent block'sMINFEE(or 1 billion wei ifblock.number == FORK_BLKNUM). A validMINFEEis one such thatabs(MINFEE - PARENT_MINFEE) <= max(1, PARENT_MINFEE // MINFEE_MAX_CHANGE_DENOMINATOR)tx.gaspricefield is used: definetx.fee_premium = tx.gasprice // 2**128andtx.fee_cap = tx.gasprice % 2**128tx.originand the gain to theblock.coinbaseas follows:gasprice = min(MINFEE + tx.fee_premium, tx.cap). Thetx.origininitially paysgasprice * tx.gas, and gets refundedgasprice * (tx.gas - gasused).block.coinbasegains(gasprice - MINFEE) * gasused.As a default strategy, miners set
MINFEEas follows. Letdelta = block.gas_used - TARGET_GASUSED(possibly negative). SetMINFEE = PARENT_MINFEE + PARENT_MINFEE * delta // TARGET_GASUSED // MINFEE_MAX_CHANGE_DENOMINATOR, clamping this result inside of the allowable bounds if needed (with the parameter setting above clamping will not be required).Further explanation
There is a MINFEE value in protocol, which can move up or down by a maximum of 1/8 in each block; initially, miners adjust this value to target an average gas usage of 8 million, increasing MINFEE if usage is higher and decreasing it if usage is lower. Transaction senders specify their fees by providing two values:
Ultra-short-term volatility in transaction demand or block times will now translate mostly into ultra-short-term volatility in block sizes instead of volatility in transaction fees. During normal conditions, fee estimation becomes extremely simple: just set the premium to some specific value, eg. 1 gwei, and select a high cap. If a transaction sender highly values urgency during conditions of congestion, they are free to instead set a much higher premium and effectively bid in the traditional first-price-auction style.