Updates for news page, people page update, and policy update. #516

realrasengan · 2021-05-25T22:03:26Z

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kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:51:36Z

content/pages/people.md


- **poison** is head of infrastructure
- **rasengan** is head of staffing, projects and communities and also the overall project lead in charge of the other heads.
+- **rasengan** is the President


"President" is a fascinating name for a dictator-for-life position.

I think it should be made clear that rasengan is also the Crown Prince of Korea, just so people know who the new Supreme Leader of Freenode is and what to expect.

it should be made clear that rasengan is also the Crown Prince of Korea

I love how you people don't even try to hide the real cause of all this freenode drama -- you started it because Korea is associated with something bad in your hateful minds, you spinned the wheel and now blame each other in consequences.

I for one had no idea the dude fancied himself literal royalty (lmao) until well into his very public display of making an ass of himself, but if telling yourself it's because Korea helps you sleep at night than be my guest, I guess...

I love how you people don't even try to hide the real cause of all this freenode drama

The reason is because Mr. Lee took over freenode and is trying to get revenge over the staff that built the network, and he now dislikes. It's not because it's Korea, on the contrary. It's to show that the Crown Prince itself is not a nice guy.

But the facts were put on the table and now he's showing his true face, acting as the victim while the data of thousands of users in Freenode will be sold, or who knows what he's doing with it.

kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:53:19Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

+To the FOSS Community,
+
+```
+Current global users: 68347


Of course, it was 85k a week ago, but what's a 20% drop amongst friends?

"I looked out. The field was... it looked like a million, a million and a half people"

kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:55:48Z

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+
+## To the few projects leaving based on falsehoods
+
+freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years.  Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS.  Your users don’t wish to migrate.  Stop forcing them.


This is just not factually accurate. Excluding Libera Chat:

OFTC was started in 2001, due to problems with freenode.

irc.gnome.org, irc.mozilla.org, irc.perl.org, also exist independently of freenode.

And today, many projects are using Slack, Discord, Gitter, and Matrix.

I also see some free software projects that migrated away from freenode but not necessarily to libera. Binary Outcast and Libreboot come to mind.

Yep. Haiku went to OFTC.

I, as a former freenode user, wish to and have migrated permanently. You, @realrasengan sir, are the ultimate fuckhead. You killed the most popular IRC network on the planet singlehandedly. That's one hell of an accomplishment, I guess.

It's not HE who killed it. It's YOU who left it.
Seriously, people have no logic, lol.

kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:56:28Z

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+
+Freenode is more than just an IRC network.  It is the home for our users.  You came here because of the freenode users, not the other way around, and now you try to destroy it from the inside.
+
+**You’re using your FOSS projects as a trojan horse to pursue a political cause based on falsehoods on IRC.**  Please stop and reflect on what you’re doing.  If you wish to continue, then it is what it is - an illness.


This is just pathetic.

AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. This is the point where all credibility is lost.

kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:57:33Z

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+
+## A note on cancel culture
+
+I have also received hundreds of reports from project leads on freenode that they are being harassed and are at risk of being canceled if they do not leave, to Libera.  **This activity does not belong in FOSS.  Stop it.**


I think if there were actual threats about that circulating, I would have heard about them by now. I happen to listen very carefully to the various streams of IRC drama. First I've heard of it.

Influencing the decisions taken by community projects and your own project failing as the result is not "cancel culture". This is ridiculous.

I would have heard about them

The "it didn't happen because I didn't see it" is my favourite kind of "logic".

kaniini · 2021-05-25T22:58:41Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

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+## freenode 
+
+Freenode is freenode, and freenode is FOSS.  freenode is you.  It’s not a former staff team holding onto a position for 20+ years without any progress other than asking every group to manually go through them to get vhosts, as a gatekeeper.  As such, we will be enabling the features that were built to make freenode better years ago and were simply never implemented.  HostServ is coming!


Have you actually validated that HostServ can be deployed on freenode safely, given the customizations that freenode has made to atheme?

kaniini · 2021-05-25T23:00:12Z

content/pages/people.md

+- **t-42** is an Infrastructure Admin
+
+### Staff
+- **Foxy** is Head of Training


Is putting a user in charge of training who is alleged to have been fired from another IRC network for leaking IP addresses to script kiddies a good idea?

kaniini · 2021-05-25T23:01:21Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

+
+**You’re using your FOSS projects as a trojan horse to pursue a political cause based on falsehoods on IRC.**  Please stop and reflect on what you’re doing.  If you wish to continue, then it is what it is - an illness.
+
+![Wikimedia representatives spreading a false narrative](static/img/wikimedia-decisions-without-facts.png)


Are you sure starting a turf war with Wikimedia is a good idea?

immibis

~~please publish this asap so it can go on Reddit and HN~~ Oh, it has been published, and ras himself posted it on HN.

immibis · 2021-05-25T23:32:28Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

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+Freenode is more than just an IRC network.  It is the home for our users.  You came here because of the freenode users, not the other way around, and now you try to destroy it from the inside.
+
+**You’re using your FOSS projects as a trojan horse to pursue a political cause based on falsehoods on IRC.**  Please stop and reflect on what you’re doing.  If you wish to continue, then it is what it is - an illness.


AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. This is the point where all credibility is lost.

immibis · 2021-05-25T23:32:28Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

+![Fuchs bragging about burning freenode down](static/img/fuchs-freenode-burn.png)
+(Message from former staffer/team lead, Fuchs)
+
+We’re moved by the tens of thousands of messages of love and support we have received, but moreover, we expected no less from the most objective and fair community in the world - the FOSS community.  The silent majority has spoken.


The vocal majority has spoken, and they don't like you.

immibis · 2021-05-25T23:32:28Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

+Current global users: 68347
+```
+
+The current global user count of freenode exceeds the user count of the [2nd-6th](https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php) largest networks, combined.  I am pleased to announce, the plan to destroy freenode has failed!


oh god please publish this on the website, I can't wait to see what it does to your reputation

immibis · 2021-05-25T23:32:28Z

content/pages/policies.md

-reserve the right to remove or alter registrations where we believe they have
-not been made in good faith.
+begin with a single # character, are reserved for on-topic projects. Primary
+channels are required to stay open.  If a primary channel closes access to its


This diff is hard to read so I'll point it out for other readers:

Primary channels are now "required to stay open". This is, obviously, a rule intended to stop the mass exodus of projects from freenode, by allowing freenode to delete all evidence of the exodus and pretend it never happened. Because if the truth got out it might harm freenode's reputation.

immibis · 2021-05-25T23:32:28Z

content/pages/policies.md

+begin with a single # character, are reserved for on-topic projects. Primary
+channels are required to stay open.  If a primary channel closes access to its
+users or is in violation of freenode policies, then it will be closed and forwarded
+to a topical channel. If you’d like to take over one of these primary channels, then


Isn't forwarding a primary channel to a topical channel a violation of policy, if the forwarding channel is not associated with the project?

Shouldn't #freenode-policy-feedback be forwarded to ##freenode-policy-feedback according to your own damn policy? Good grief what a mess.

Indeed it should, but that would require logical consistency, so it won't happen. This is not about policies, but power struggles.

habnabit · 2021-05-25T23:32:39Z

content/pages/people.md

+- **eskimo** is General Staff
+- **Speakz** is General Staff
+- **Suntop** is General Staff
+- **bagira** is General Staff


aka phanes, aka christopher punches

Wait, wasn't that guy fired? He doesn't have a freenode/staff cloak and isn't opped on #freenode

Guy spent a few hours banning people in the #freenode-policy-discuss channel without any clarification. Also pretended not to be staff for a while.

Got deopped in the end though.

fwiw, https://web.archive.org/web/20210523224209/https://phanes.silogroup.org/vae-victis/

confirmed on #freenode-policy-discuss he is still staff but they won't say what's going on with the non-staff cloak

alexisvl · 2021-05-26T03:55:19Z

content/news/2021-05-25-for-foss.md

+![Fuchs bragging about burning freenode down](static/img/fuchs-freenode-burn.png)
+(Message from former staffer/team lead, Fuchs)


lol do you think this makes you look good? who's been blowing smoke up your

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docs: Change IRC channel to libera.chat from freenode ostreedev/ostree#2366

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docs: Switch from freenode to libera.chat flatpak/flatpak#4291

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RFC: move IRC channel to libera libass/libass#515

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		## To the few projects leaving based on falsehoods

		freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS. Your users don’t wish to migrate. Stop forcing them.


		Freenode is more than just an IRC network. It is the home for our users. You came here because of the freenode users, not the other way around, and now you try to destroy it from the inside.

		You’re using your FOSS projects as a trojan horse to pursue a political cause based on falsehoods on IRC. Please stop and reflect on what you’re doing. If you wish to continue, then it is what it is - an illness.


		## A note on cancel culture

		I have also received hundreds of reports from project leads on freenode that they are being harassed and are at risk of being canceled if they do not leave, to Libera. This activity does not belong in FOSS. Stop it.


		## freenode

		Freenode is freenode, and freenode is FOSS. freenode is you. It’s not a former staff team holding onto a position for 20+ years without any progress other than asking every group to manually go through them to get vhosts, as a gatekeeper. As such, we will be enabling the features that were built to make freenode better years ago and were simply never implemented. HostServ is coming!


		You’re using your FOSS projects as a trojan horse to pursue a political cause based on falsehoods on IRC. Please stop and reflect on what you’re doing. If you wish to continue, then it is what it is - an illness.

		![Wikimedia representatives spreading a false narrative](static/img/wikimedia-decisions-without-facts.png)

		![Fuchs bragging about burning freenode down](static/img/fuchs-freenode-burn.png)
		(Message from former staffer/team lead, Fuchs)

Updates for news page, people page update, and policy update. #516

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