Please reconsider your use of the word "sexy" in your domain and on your site

[feoh]

Hi there. I wasn't aware of this until comparatively recently myself, but in 2017, using the word "sexy" in this context is offensive.

If we want to welcome more women into our open source communities, we need to show we mean what we say. Please consider being a part of the solution.

Thanks in advance!

[frlan]

FTR: This seems to be related to geany.sexy, which is not the official project page (-> geany.org )

[frlan]

FTR: This seems to be related to geany.sexy, which is not the official project page (-> geany.org )

[feoh]

That's correct. Apologies if this is the incorrect forum for this issue. Happy to take my suggestion elsewhere if someone has a pointer to where that might be.

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[feoh]

That's correct. Apologies if this is the incorrect forum for this issue. Happy to take my suggestion elsewhere if someone has a pointer to where that might be.

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[codebrainz]

Maybe it's a regional thing? In Canada, the word "sexy" is not at all offensive in this context, although perhaps a bit dated and weird.

I guess on the bright side, if Geany didn't park something at that domain, it could be taken by a much more offensive website :)

[codebrainz]

Maybe it's a regional thing? In Canada, the word "sexy" is not at all offensive in this context, although perhaps a bit dated and weird.

I guess on the bright side, if Geany didn't park something at that domain, it could be taken by a much more offensive website :)

[bsima]

It’s only offensive to people that are anti-sex.

[bsima]

It’s only offensive to people that are anti-sex.

[itskiru]

I quit Twitter because that type of guy who find always something to complain about or everything is offensive, heterosexuality is bad, be gay !!!!!!!

Sexy is not offensive at all.

[itskiru]

I quit Twitter because that type of guy who find always something to complain about or everything is offensive, heterosexuality is bad, be gay !!!!!!!

Sexy is not offensive at all.

[tobz]

There are plenty of other adjectives -- beautiful, stunning, magnetic, delightful, elegant, etc -- which are far less cheap and lazy than the word "sexy", and literally don't have the word "sex" in them.

At the very best, "sexy" is just cheap and lazy language. We can do better here to avoid sexualizing mundane things like software, while also choosing more apt descriptors.

[tobz]

There are plenty of other adjectives -- beautiful, stunning, magnetic, delightful, elegant, etc -- which are far less cheap and lazy than the word "sexy", and literally don't have the word "sex" in them.

At the very best, "sexy" is just cheap and lazy language. We can do better here to avoid sexualizing mundane things like software, while also choosing more apt descriptors.

[elextr]

Everyone please remember Geany is an international project and remember not to assume your cultural biases automatically apply to content produced in an international forum, not necessarily by people with English as a first language, and not necessarily the same cultural reaction to particular words or concepts (pro or anti).

It is perfectly ok to note that something has negative connotations in your culture and you would prefer that it wasn't used, but it is not acceptable to assume that your culture is universal throughout the world, and that content produced elsewhere is automatically to be interpreted by your standards.

In particular please do not state your standards as if they are an indisputable fact and that anything not meeting them is therefore the result of poor practices.

When dealing with a project staffed by volunteers working in their own time the best way of changing something is to contribute alternative content, not to try to force someone to spend their own time and effort to change something that is acceptable to them so it will meet your cultural expectations.

[elextr]

Everyone please remember Geany is an international project and remember not to assume your cultural biases automatically apply to content produced in an international forum, not necessarily by people with English as a first language, and not necessarily the same cultural reaction to particular words or concepts (pro or anti).

It is perfectly ok to note that something has negative connotations in your culture and you would prefer that it wasn't used, but it is not acceptable to assume that your culture is universal throughout the world, and that content produced elsewhere is automatically to be interpreted by your standards.

In particular please do not state your standards as if they are an indisputable fact and that anything not meeting them is therefore the result of poor practices.

When dealing with a project staffed by volunteers working in their own time the best way of changing something is to contribute alternative content, not to try to force someone to spend their own time and effort to change something that is acceptable to them so it will meet your cultural expectations.

[tobz]

I know @feoh personally, and I can definitely say that it wasn't his intent to state this as an indisputable fact, and certainly not mine either.

Given that the website has chosen to use English, it seems fair game to offer constructive criticism of the choice in words. This isn't an attack of anybody's personal views, their culture, or their word choice.

To wit, your point is about this project consisting of many contributors and users across the world is well made. My first language is English, so I'm trying to offer some alternatives which, as a native English speaker, I know are richer descriptors than "sexy."

Hopefully these word suggestions can start a constructive dialogue.

[tobz]

I know @feoh personally, and I can definitely say that it wasn't his intent to state this as an indisputable fact, and certainly not mine either.

Given that the website has chosen to use English, it seems fair game to offer constructive criticism of the choice in words. This isn't an attack of anybody's personal views, their culture, or their word choice.

To wit, your point is about this project consisting of many contributors and users across the world is well made. My first language is English, so I'm trying to offer some alternatives which, as a native English speaker, I know are richer descriptors than "sexy."

Hopefully these word suggestions can start a constructive dialogue.

[itskiru]

Really, stop doing drama it's only a domain name

[itskiru]

Really, stop doing drama it's only a domain name

[tobz]

@itskiru Your original comment was already very ignorant. If you have nothing constructive to add here, consider not commenting at all.

[tobz]

@itskiru Your original comment was already very ignorant. If you have nothing constructive to add here, consider not commenting at all.

[itskiru]

Coming by a guy who do 3 paragraph for explain why sexy is offensive... @tobz

[itskiru]

Coming by a guy who do 3 paragraph for explain why sexy is offensive... @tobz

[frlan]

I'm sorry I'm stopping the commenting on this issue. Please feel free and blame me, but I think it's not going somewhere. It will be unlocked. Please cool down a little and come back with some solutions.

[frlan]

I'm sorry I'm stopping the commenting on this issue. Please feel free and blame me, but I think it's not going somewhere. It will be unlocked. Please cool down a little and come back with some solutions.

[elextr]

On a practical note, @feoh asked if this was the right forum?

geany.sexy links to geany.org not the other way around, and none of the content of geany.sexy is stored on the Geany github organisations repositories, so it is not under the control of this organisation.

So this is probably not the most effective place to contribute any suggestions.

[elextr]

On a practical note, @feoh asked if this was the right forum?

geany.sexy links to geany.org not the other way around, and none of the content of geany.sexy is stored on the Geany github organisations repositories, so it is not under the control of this organisation.

So this is probably not the most effective place to contribute any suggestions.

[eht16]

Disclaimer: I'm owner of the geany.sexy domain.

A few years ago, I registered this domain as in my personal opinion this is funny, exactly what you consider as offending: the use of the word "sexy" in a completely different context, here for software.
In my cultural area, "sexy" is actually used to describe nice and positive things, additionally to its original meaning. Hence I didn't see nor ever intend any offense or the like.

I do see use of this word might offense others and isn't used elsewhere in the same way as I'm used to.
So I removed all occurrences of the word "sexy" on the website content on geany.sexy.
Since the Geany project does not promote or even mention this domain anywhere, I don't see further action here.

I hope this helps the situation and we can focus on developing great software again.
For further requests or questions, please contact me, as the owner of the domain, and do not bother the Geany project. Thanks.

[eht16]

Disclaimer: I'm owner of the geany.sexy domain.

A few years ago, I registered this domain as in my personal opinion this is funny, exactly what you consider as offending: the use of the word "sexy" in a completely different context, here for software.
In my cultural area, "sexy" is actually used to describe nice and positive things, additionally to its original meaning. Hence I didn't see nor ever intend any offense or the like.

I do see use of this word might offense others and isn't used elsewhere in the same way as I'm used to.
So I removed all occurrences of the word "sexy" on the website content on geany.sexy.
Since the Geany project does not promote or even mention this domain anywhere, I don't see further action here.

I hope this helps the situation and we can focus on developing great software again.
For further requests or questions, please contact me, as the owner of the domain, and do not bother the Geany project. Thanks.