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Historic beers category only shows 27A #700

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brices121 opened this Issue Oct 31, 2016 · 4 comments

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brices121 commented Oct 31, 2016

The Historic beer only shows up as 27A the remaining us categories do not show up.

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Historic Beers in the BJCP guidelines is the category and since it does not have any defined sub-styles, the category name is only represented. The examples in the BJCP 2015 style guidelines are not sub-styles, they are examples identified by the BJCP that are not exhaustive (in their determination) . Because these examples are not defined as sub-styles, they are not reflected as such in BCOE&M.

There are clear entry guidelines provided by the BJCP that are enforced by BCOE&M to the extent of its programming - users are required to enter additional information in the Required Info field:

The entrant MUST either specify a style with a BJCP-supplied description, or provide a similar description for the judges of a different style. If a beer is entered with just a style name and no description, it is very unlikely that judges will understand how to judge it. Currently defined examples: Gose, Piwo Grodziskie, Lichtenhainer, Roggenbier, Sahti, Kentucky Common, Pre-Prohibition Lager, Pre-Prohibition Porter, London Brown Ale.

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geoffhumphrey commented Oct 31, 2016

Historic Beers in the BJCP guidelines is the category and since it does not have any defined sub-styles, the category name is only represented. The examples in the BJCP 2015 style guidelines are not sub-styles, they are examples identified by the BJCP that are not exhaustive (in their determination) . Because these examples are not defined as sub-styles, they are not reflected as such in BCOE&M.

There are clear entry guidelines provided by the BJCP that are enforced by BCOE&M to the extent of its programming - users are required to enter additional information in the Required Info field:

The entrant MUST either specify a style with a BJCP-supplied description, or provide a similar description for the judges of a different style. If a beer is entered with just a style name and no description, it is very unlikely that judges will understand how to judge it. Currently defined examples: Gose, Piwo Grodziskie, Lichtenhainer, Roggenbier, Sahti, Kentucky Common, Pre-Prohibition Lager, Pre-Prohibition Porter, London Brown Ale.

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brices121 commented Oct 31, 2016

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In the next release, the BJCP defined examples in both Specialty IPA (21B) and Historical Beers (27A) will be their own salient "sub-categories" - even though they are not defined as such by the BJCP (e.g., they do not have a sub-category letter). So, essentially, these will be "sub-sub-categories."

This will provide admins the flexibility to assign these "sub-sub-categories" to tables individually so that their associated entries can be judged with similar sub-categories. Therefore, if so desired, Piwo Grodziskie entries can be judged with other smoked beer entries, Belgian IPA can be judged with other Belgian-style entries, Pre-Prohibition Lager can be judged with other American-style lagers, etc.

Anyway, they will be...

21B Specialty IPA (now becomes a catch-all for non-defined specialty beers such as Black Rye IPA, Belgian Black IPA, etc.)

  • 21B1 Belgian IPA
  • 21B2 Black IPA
  • 21B3 Brown IPA
  • 21B4 Red IPA
  • 21B5 Rye IPA
  • 21B6 White IPA

All of the Specialty IPAs require strength to be defined as session, standard, or double.

27A Historical Beer (now becomes a catch-all for non-defined historical beers like Adambier, etc.)

  • 27A1 Gose
  • 27A2 Piwo Grodziskie
  • 27A3 Lichtenhainer
  • 27A4 Roggenbier
  • 27A5 Sahti
  • 27A6 Kentucky Common
  • 27A7 Pre-Prohibition Lager
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geoffhumphrey commented Dec 6, 2016

In the next release, the BJCP defined examples in both Specialty IPA (21B) and Historical Beers (27A) will be their own salient "sub-categories" - even though they are not defined as such by the BJCP (e.g., they do not have a sub-category letter). So, essentially, these will be "sub-sub-categories."

This will provide admins the flexibility to assign these "sub-sub-categories" to tables individually so that their associated entries can be judged with similar sub-categories. Therefore, if so desired, Piwo Grodziskie entries can be judged with other smoked beer entries, Belgian IPA can be judged with other Belgian-style entries, Pre-Prohibition Lager can be judged with other American-style lagers, etc.

Anyway, they will be...

21B Specialty IPA (now becomes a catch-all for non-defined specialty beers such as Black Rye IPA, Belgian Black IPA, etc.)

  • 21B1 Belgian IPA
  • 21B2 Black IPA
  • 21B3 Brown IPA
  • 21B4 Red IPA
  • 21B5 Rye IPA
  • 21B6 White IPA

All of the Specialty IPAs require strength to be defined as session, standard, or double.

27A Historical Beer (now becomes a catch-all for non-defined historical beers like Adambier, etc.)

  • 27A1 Gose
  • 27A2 Piwo Grodziskie
  • 27A3 Lichtenhainer
  • 27A4 Roggenbier
  • 27A5 Sahti
  • 27A6 Kentucky Common
  • 27A7 Pre-Prohibition Lager
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