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Renaming the project #377

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Keats opened this Issue Aug 22, 2018 · 46 comments

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Keats commented Aug 22, 2018

With WordPress starting to heavily promote their Gutenberg editor, SEO will become impossible for this project.

I'm open to changing the name, the current requirements are:

  • simple to type, binary name must not exist in windows/linux/osx already
  • a cheap domain name for the docs must be available
  • no significant open-source project with the same name
  • no obvious weird meaning in languages

Current ideas:

Changing the name means also changing every package manager + netlify

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onelson commented Aug 22, 2018

I cannot stress enough that this is a joke, but what about Mahoney (as per the Steve Guttenberg role in the Police Academy movies)?

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Freaky commented Aug 22, 2018

How about a Chinese writer? Shen Kuo wrote extensively about movable type printing, amongst many, many other things, and while Shen is a programming language, kuo looks free. Wordsafety.com warns about a similarity to Portuguease "cu" (asshole).

Bi Sheng invented the first movable type printer. sheng seems free.

Wang Zhen improved on movable type. zhen seems free, and is also closely resembles "Zen".

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Keats commented Aug 23, 2018

I like Kuo but this guy makes me feel a bit inadequate:

Excelling in many fields of study and statecraft, he was a mathematician, astronomer, meteorologist, geologist, zoologist, botanist, pharmacologist, agronomist, archaeologist, ethnographer, cartographer, encyclopedist, general, diplomat, hydraulic engineer, inventor, academy chancellor, finance minister, governmental state inspector, poet, and musician.

sheng and zhen sound good as well.

I also like vin, the name of the main character of the Mistborn serie but people might think I'm naming it after myself..

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RealOrangeOne commented Aug 23, 2018

I also like vin

I worry people may typo this as vim, and get very confused why their site looks like a text editor 😂

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piedoom commented Aug 23, 2018

i like zola :) easy to type, easy to read, and gophers shouldn't have a monopoly on french writers. kuo is nice too. I might think more about sheng and zhen as they could be difficult to translate from spoken -> type. (e.g., "download 'zhen'! it's great" - "Okay! X-E-N, right?")

I'm not sure if you listen to the new rustacean podcast, but they recently namedropped gutenberg in their community update as well.

I would support a rename, though. Gutenberg already has difficulty appearing in search engines with Wordpress, and since they both exist in the same domain (writing/software) it's a good idea to change it IMO.

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Keats commented Aug 23, 2018

I'm not sure if you listen to the new rustacean podcast, but they recently namedropped gutenberg in their community update as well.

Thanks for the warning, I'll listen to it tomorrow!

I would support a rename, though. Gutenberg already has difficulty appearing in search engines with Wordpress, and since they both exist in the same domain (writing/software) it's a good idea to change it IMO.

Since no one seemed to like WordPress Gutenberg, I was kinda hoping they would rebrand it :p

Added kuo to the main list as I like it a lot but zola is still my favourite so far

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piedoom commented Aug 23, 2018

I forgot to include the page mentioned. AFAIK it's fairly popular for Rust-peeps but I don't think that it should be a problem - I would just recommend opening up a PR to the show notes I listed if you end up changing the name/link :). And Zola is my favorite as well!

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Keats commented Aug 23, 2018

cc people related to having gutenberg in package managers so they are in the loop:

@ilovezfs @Calinou @r15ch13 @bfontaine

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Calinou commented Aug 23, 2018

I like Zola, it's short but is still related to its origin (a static site generator).

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Keats commented Aug 27, 2018

From reddit: alois

Alois Senefelder invented lithography. There is no crate called "alois" and also no stuff related to static sites that I could find. Just saying.

I'm not too sure how to pronounce it though, I can think of at least 3 different ways

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Freaky commented Aug 27, 2018

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Alois has a sample of it being pronounced.

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Keats commented Aug 28, 2018

I got another suggestion in this thread email notification that is somehow not appearing in the issue:

Speaking of lithography, the name lith is short, used by no one and for nothing (that I could find), and has an unambiguous pronunciation (in English).

Just to be clear, it would be pronounced as leet right? Not leaf? (You never know with english pronunciations...)

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bdjnk commented Aug 28, 2018

That was me, before I realized I'd forgotten to check the domain availability, which was one of the requirements. Regarding pronunciation, lith would rhyme with pith.

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Keats commented Aug 28, 2018

A .com is not that important and we can always do getX like right now. So many TLDs as well that as long as it's not something famous like nissan.com we should be fine

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azah commented Aug 29, 2018

Keeping with the movable metal type theme:

In 1234 the first books known to have been printed in metallic type set were published in Goryeo Dynasty Korea. They form a set of ritual books, Sangjeong Gogeum Yemun, compiled by Choe Yun-ui.  [0]

 While these books have not survived, the oldest book in the world printed in metallic movable types is Jikji, printed in Korea in 1377 [0].

So some possible names are:

  • Yunui
  • Yemun (예문 例文) Meaning: Example sentence.
  • Jikji
  • Gyubo (Yi Gyu-bo wrote postscript on behalf of Choi Yi which show how this book [Sangjeong Gogeum Yemun] was published with movable metal type. 2)

Using domai.nr 1, all of these have available gtlds.

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codesections commented Aug 31, 2018

One additional suggestion: zum (from the full name of the most famous Gutenberg, "Johannes Gensfleisch zur Laden zum Gutenberg").

This has a few advantages:

  • It keeps the tie to the previous/current name
  • It's shorter/as short as any of the other names on the list
  • It has good connotations/associations:
    • In German, it means "to or for"—this fits with a static site's role in transforming content from Markdown to generated HTML
    • In Portuguese, it's an onomatopoeia for the sound something makes as it rushes by, connoting speed
    • It sounds like the English word "Zoom", also connoting speed
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codesections commented Aug 31, 2018

@piedoom, I heard that on New Rustacean and was pretty surprised. I was the one who emailed him about Gutenberg, but I hadn't thought anything would come of it, so I was surprised when I heard my name while listening to the podcast! Hope that brings some more people to the project 👍

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j1mc commented Sep 1, 2018

I thought of "truss" which is a framework, typically consisting of rafters, posts, and struts, supporting a roof, bridge, or other structure.
I also like, "rustic", as a combination of 'rust' with 'static'. Rustic is defined as, "relating to the countryside; rural."
Thanks for your work, and best of luck in choosing a new project name!

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reillysiemens commented Sep 1, 2018

Personally I'd enjoy either zola or zum with maybe a slight preference for zola.

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Freaky commented Sep 1, 2018

@j1mc truss is taken :)

rustic is too like restic IMO.

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codesections commented Sep 1, 2018

I was imagining "zum" as being pronounced to rhyme with "from" or "hum", but maybe that doesn't match how the name would have been pronounced?

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Keats commented Sep 3, 2018

For rustic it took a non-Rust developer friend to realize it is too close to rustc!

Someone suggested emile as well which is available and is the first name of Zola. A downside is that it is a somehow common first name in French, althought the female version Emilie is way more common nowadays.

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Freaky commented Sep 3, 2018

emile should totally be reserved for some cool email-oriented project :)

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piedoom commented Sep 4, 2018

Emile is cool! I like the idea but yeah, I think it possibly could be harder since it's more of a common name. imo zola is still my favorite.

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Keats commented Sep 6, 2018

Looks like it is going to be zola!

I created https://github.com/assomoir (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Assommoir not much inspiration eh) for the org.

TODO list:

  • Rename everything in the next branch from Gutenberg to Zola
  • Get a domain name (@Keats): getzola.org
  • Update https://github.com/netlify/binrc to add the new zola binary and see if there is a way to make it work with previous versions after the repo move (@Keats)
  • Update all official themes for zola (@Keats)
  • Move repo to getzola org (@Keats)
  • Update CI tokens of travis/appveyor for the new repo location (@Keats)
  • Release 0.5.0 (@Keats)
  • Create a snap, if snapcraft ever manages to build a Rust project (@Keats)
  • Upload new binary to AUR (@Keats)
  • Change the from source AUR package (@svenstaro)
  • Change the homebrew package (@ilovezfs)
  • Change the scoop package (@Calinou)
  • Change the void-linux package (@memchk)
  • Change the chocolatey package (@gsomix)

Let me know if I incorrectly tagged you.

Sadly I think the people using the built-in Gutenberg netlify support will need to update their setup.

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Freaky commented Sep 6, 2018

I'll hold off on submitting the FreeBSD port until this is complete.

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paulcmal commented Sep 6, 2018

I'm really happy with zola, but i'd like to suggest proudhon for the record. Also, i feel like most static site generators (hugo, nikola, gutenberg) and CLI tools generally bear names of important male persons, while pretty bots and UIs usually get meaningless female names. I don't feel so comfortable with this situation, given that many women had very influental writings, too. Would you people be willing to reconsider the decision, focusing on finding a woman philosopher/writer to pay tribute to?


Proudhon was a worker of the printing industry and became a world-famous economist and philosopher. He was the first self-proclaimed anarchist, coined the famous « Property is theft », and was already in the 19th century a cooperative economy theorist (and practitioner). As such, I'd consider his economic contributions are the basis of the free software movement.

On the downside, he was a misogynist antisemitic hence the fact most people in (inclusive) anarchist circles including myself don't really advertise him anymore. Zola on the other hand was less radical about many things, but depicted strong female characters fighting the patriarchal capitalist system, and is famous for his J'accuse letter denouncing the systemic antisemitism plaguing French society (and the government and bourgeoisie ties with (ethno-)nationalist circles) way before the second world war.

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piedoom commented Sep 6, 2018

Woo! @paulcmal I knew nothing about all that, really cool stuff :)

On a more childish note, am I the only one reading the group as Ass-oh-moire, or is that just my American brain and not a real problem?

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bdjnk commented Sep 7, 2018

Most Americans, including myself, will find assomoir difficult, not only because it starts with ass, which feels awkward, but also because pronunciation is a complete mystery. How is moir said?

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Keats commented Sep 7, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvaUDohrODc roughly 2 seconds into the video

I didn't think about starting with ass to be a problem since English has many words like assembly, association, assistance etc

Keep in mind this is only the name of the org though, pretty much no one is going to notice it. Since GitHub has the same namespace for users and orgs it's a bit limited in choices. getzola is available though if that's better

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piedoom commented Sep 7, 2018

I think the words you mentioned are pronounced like uh-sembly, uh-ssociation, uh-ssistance since they're common place - the syllable break is after the first "A", instead of ass-embly, etc. Since Assomoir is unknown to purely english speakers, we tend to try phonetics, which leads to "ass-oh-moyre". It's really up to you, though - I just thought I might air a potential issue. The guy in the video really makes things seem more eloquent :)

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Keats commented Sep 7, 2018

I renamed it to getzola to avoid issues.

@Keats Keats changed the title from Consider renaming the project to Renaming the project Sep 9, 2018

This was referenced Sep 9, 2018

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mitchtbaum commented Sep 29, 2018

Good pick with zola! 👍

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Keats commented Oct 17, 2018

Looks like repo moves doesn't break links to releases (https://github.com/Keats/test-move-repo-moved) archive, which is good news! I don't think zola will be supported straight from 0.5 on Netlify but at least gutenberg will still work.

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Keats commented Nov 13, 2018

I think 0.5 is ready to go but I'll leave the next branch there for a couple of days if people want to beta test it a bit

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gsomix commented Nov 17, 2018

Chocolatey package for zola, awaiting moderation

https://chocolatey.org/packages/zola/0.5.0

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Keats commented Nov 17, 2018

That was fast :o
I'm still trying to figure out why the website is not working :p

r15ch13 added a commit to lukesampson/scoop that referenced this issue Nov 17, 2018

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Keats commented Nov 19, 2018

Currently missing:

and we're back to the previous state, except we also have snap now!

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j1mc commented Nov 19, 2018

FWIW, I've created a docker image for Zola. It's updated for 0.5.0, and I'll update it for subsequent releases: https://hub.docker.com/r/j1mc/docker-zola/
If you'd rather have the zola image build included as part of the zola project namespace, feel free to take from my github repo / docker hub setup. Cheers. : )

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caemor commented Nov 19, 2018

I already made an issue for void-linux today: void-linux/void-packages#4909 (comment) / void-linux/void-packages#4917

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j1mc commented Nov 19, 2018

I've also submitted a pull-request for the project rename on the 'staticgen' website repo: netlify/staticgen#454

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Keats commented Nov 22, 2018

Thank you all for the updates!

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