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streets as borderline with 2 names #1735

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henke54 opened this issue Aug 10, 2015 · 15 comments

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commented Aug 10, 2015

Hi, in Belgium, there are often streets which are the borderline of 2 municipalities, and each municipality has given then a 'separate name' to that particular street(fraction).
When rendered on OSM, it looks like this ;
https://smartshare.be/index.php/s/JKe8RK0IOxLmFtz

In JOSM, one has then to name that street(fraction) with those 2 names as streetname, and also with '(street)name:left' a name, and '(street)name:right' a name ... ;
https://smartshare.be/index.php/s/SbjiJh3rQDoee4r

Is it possible to render it like this ; https://smartshare.be/index.php/s/FvUTFimu4oKZXWl
each name on the side of the street where it belongs, and one has then to tag that street only with 'name:left' and 'name:right' , and not anymore those 2 names together ?

i also asked it at OSM forum ;
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=31935

@matkoniecz matkoniecz added this to the 3.x - Needs upgrade to openstreetmap-carto.style milestone Aug 10, 2015

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commented Aug 10, 2015

How common is this? How do other maps render this?

I can confirm this occurs (although very rarely) in the Netherlands as well. I believe I have seen it in Poland too.

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commented Aug 10, 2015

Yes, this situations happens also (very rarely) in Poland. I am not sure what is the typical handling of this situations.

EDIT: asked on http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=522464#p522464

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commented Aug 10, 2015

According joost schouppe ; There are about 25.000 uses on the map according to Taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name%3Aright

http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=31935

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commented Aug 10, 2015

And according to reply I was mistaken - this type of problem is extremely rare or not happening at all in Poland.

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commented Aug 11, 2015

Here is an example in Poland (not currently tagged correctly). The houses in gmina Jastrzębie-Zdrój have housenumbers on Kłosowa, while the houses in gmina Pawłowice have house numbers on Graniczna.

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commented Dec 1, 2015

We're currently working on Addresses in Flanders, and it appears to happen quite often. It's hard to notice on a survey (outskirts of municipalities are often not very well signed, and it's not easy to compare all signs at all crossings of a street with each other).

But with the data we received from the Flemish government, we're now able to notice a lot more of those subtle cases (the obvious differences were already noticeable before). Like municipalities sticking to the old spelling, and their neighbour changing to the new spelling (f.e. Honzebrouck vs Honzebroek), using different connector letters (Diksmuidesteenweg vs Diksmuidsesteenweg), adding suffix to the name (Ter Bunderen vs Ter Bunderenstraat), or other minor changes.

Every municipality I handle seems to have at least 1 or 2 cases like these.

Also note that in some cases, this even happens inside a municipality. Like the Biezenhof quarter of my town is divided in blocks. Then these blocks are used as streetnames, but it's obvious that every street is belonging to two blocks. This is quite unusual, but the same left-right tagging and rendering would help people find out where the address is. See http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/201244382

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commented Dec 1, 2015

How do other maps render this?

This is probably the real question, which we still need some info on.

I have an example local to me, but I believe all maps I've seen pick one name or the other for that street.

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commented Dec 1, 2015

Google is aweful at rendering it. Here Google just picks one name, and renders it: https://www.google.be/maps/@50.9887949,3.1712904,16z?hl=en (there's no way you can deduce addresses from it). TomTom and Michelin do the same, just picking one name.

Compare it to current OSM data: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/50.98607/3.17229 (you can see the street has two names, but you can't easily see which name belongs to which address). Bing also handles the two names, they get combined by an "&" in the search screen, while they get rendered both on the map without the "&": http://binged.it/1XvoKjK . It gives similar information as OSM (though in OSM, it's hard-coded as a single name with a dash, which isn't the case in Bing).

Our governmental mapping agency does a better job. When you zoom in enough, the names are placed side next to the road: http://www.geopunt.be/ (enable "Basiskaart, luchtfoto's en adres"->"Basiskaarten"->"Basiskaart GRB (volledige versie)" and go to 50,9875° - 3,1720° (fill it in in the search field), I don't find a way to share a permalink).

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commented Dec 2, 2015

Hmm, the button is visible on Chrome, but not on Firefox. Strange. Anyway, it's not related to this issue.

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commented Dec 2, 2015

Please just provide a picture with the map you're looking at, so that it's available in the future.

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commented Dec 2, 2015

Please just provide a picture with the map you're looking at, so that it's available in the future.

belgium_name-left_right

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commented Sep 26, 2016

This is a quite rare feature and the rendering shown would add confusion with pushing labels over other objects. There's arguments either way, but I'm inclined towards not rendering.

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commented Oct 12, 2017

(since I see that this is being talked about elsewhere again) here's how I did it:


   if (( keyvalues["name:left"]  ~= nil ) and
        ( keyvalues["name:right"] ~= nil )) then
       keyvalues["name"] = keyvalues["name:left"] .. " / " .. keyvalues["name:right"]
    end

which just looks like:

https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=19&lat=53.047442&lon=-1.315495

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