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observing Random Jitter in HackRFone in High Bandwidth with high carrier modulation #390

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stackprogramer opened this issue Jul 6, 2017 · 4 comments
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stackprogramer commented Jul 6, 2017

Yet i work on DVB-T in HackRF one, in TX we can send DVB-T and we receive it with a hardware dongle DVB-T. but for receiving with SDR Based we had error:
http://blog.stackprogramer.xyz/en/2017/02/18/dvbt-project-receiver-probelm-oorestart-aquisition-d_freq_offset-5-od_freq_offset-5/

DVBT project receiver probelm OOrestart aquisition d_freq_offset: -5 Od_freq_offset: -5

Error happening it is increased with increasing sps.....

so we can see in dvb-t block in gnuradio we have a block that is named:dvbt_ofdm_sym_acquisition

https://gnuradio.org/doc/doxygen/classgr_1_1dtv_1_1dvbt__ofdm__sym__acquisition.html#details
so we can see source cpp of this block you can see it in this link:
https://github.com/gnuradio/gnuradio/blob/master/gr-dtv/lib/dvbt/dvbt_ofdm_sym_acquisition_impl.cc

this source want to estimate offset frequency but we can see this offset is random and change instantly it is not fixed it is random...........
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1204338
https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/2875

i think we face with a random error that is name random jitter, it is relation to thermal noise , in higher rate or sps we increase effect thermal noise , it is fuck up error ......
random jitter is overcome in hackrfone we could n not found any solution.
why is mention HackRFOne has bandwidth 20 MSPS.....??
**we should define bandwidth and sps in high carrier modulation **
it has problem in high carrier modulation????

but what's solution?

using a external clock for hackrf one???
design a new hardware.........?

one of fault hackrf one is low resolution ADC, 8 bit...it is so not ideal.........
i liked hackrfone for reason that is opensource and hardware, but with this condition i concluded that
we should think a new way for future sdr hardware opensource?

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As was pointed out on Discuss-gnuradio, you haven't provided any evidence that supports your conclusion that there is a jitter problem. I suggest analysis of gr-dvbt to determine the cause of the error.

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@mossmann Hi, we with gr-dvbt can receive and transmit with USRP, i think we should examine HackRF One's Parts for detecting problem.we after some examine we concluded that it related to random jitter error, if we find new evidence we will share. thanks

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in high bandwidth we can not receive dvb-t and in lower bandwidth 1MB we have bad quality video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhOoBXZPjk4
http://blog.stackprogramer.xyz/en/2017/08/10/dvb-t-gnuradio-tx-rx-recording-video-receiver-in-bandwidth-1mb-and-frequency-461mb/

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