Why do you not maintain these popular projects anymore? #72

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@harthur I was looking at your profile and saw this:

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Why do you not maintain these projects anymore? If you don't have time to do that, why do you not search somebody to keep them alive?

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@harthur - If you would like to move this repo into an organization, I would be happy to maintain it.

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@harthur - If you would like to move this repo into an organization, I would be happy to maintain it.

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IonicaBizau Oct 13, 2015

@nickpoorman I was going to suggest that. 😄 👍

@nickpoorman I was going to suggest that. 😄 👍

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That would be great. I am using this software in a project thesis because it is just the simplest solution out here :)

That would be great. I am using this software in a project thesis because it is just the simplest solution out here :)

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@harthur any response?

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FranzSkuffka Oct 28, 2015

how about forking the repos and creating an organisation for maintenance during her absence?

how about forking the repos and creating an organisation for maintenance during her absence?

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I like that idea @nickpoorman 👍

I like that idea @nickpoorman 👍

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IonicaBizau Nov 5, 2015

@FranzSkuffka I am not for forking and maintaining. It's much harder to maintain your own fork because most of the people will find this popular repository.

I also vote for moving these projects in an organization, like @nickpoorman suggested. 💫

@FranzSkuffka I am not for forking and maintaining. It's much harder to maintain your own fork because most of the people will find this popular repository.

I also vote for moving these projects in an organization, like @nickpoorman suggested. 💫

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I also agree, it would be nice to get an response from @harthur

irony commented Nov 5, 2015

I also agree, it would be nice to get an response from @harthur

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irony Nov 5, 2015

She have switched jobs to something secret so maybe she isn't even allowed to reply here: https://harthur.wordpress.com

irony commented Nov 5, 2015

She have switched jobs to something secret so maybe she isn't even allowed to reply here: https://harthur.wordpress.com

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@irony Oh, interesting read! 📖

@irony Oh, interesting read! 📖

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DinerIsmail Dec 28, 2015

Any update on this, guys? It would be awesome if this would be moved into an organization.

Any update on this, guys? It would be awesome if this would be moved into an organization.

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IonicaBizau Dec 28, 2015

I just emailed @harthur! Hope she will reply me and save these nice goodies. 😁 🎁 🙏

I just emailed @harthur! Hope she will reply me and save these nice goodies. 😁 🎁 🙏

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pablodenadai Jan 2, 2016

Thanks @IonicaBizau let us know how it goes.

Thanks @IonicaBizau let us know how it goes.

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I would also like this!

I would also like this!

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michaelpittino Jan 12, 2016

Any update on this?

Any update on this?

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IonicaBizau Jan 12, 2016

No response from the author yet... 😞

No response from the author yet... 😞

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pablodenadai Jan 12, 2016

There's an opportunity here for someone to take this over. Preferably someone who understands the codebase and is willing to move the project forward. That said, the project owner seems to have been the only major contributor in the past.

There's an opportunity here for someone to take this over. Preferably someone who understands the codebase and is willing to move the project forward. That said, the project owner seems to have been the only major contributor in the past.

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michaelpittino Jan 12, 2016

Yes but as @IonicaBizau said that's not easy to fork and maintain because of popularity of THIS repository.

Yes but as @IonicaBizau said that's not easy to fork and maintain because of popularity of THIS repository.

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Fair point - I agree that moving this project to an org would be the best solution - it's a shame the owner isn't responding the messages. 😞

Fair point - I agree that moving this project to an org would be the best solution - it's a shame the owner isn't responding the messages. 😞

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IonicaBizau Jan 12, 2016

@michaelpittino I contacted GitHub support–maybe they will be able to help us since @harthur had a talk at Passion Projects. Hopefully they will have a solution. 🙏

@michaelpittino I contacted GitHub support–maybe they will be able to help us since @harthur had a talk at Passion Projects. Hopefully they will have a solution. 🙏

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IonicaBizau Jan 21, 2016

From GitHub support:

Unfortunately we don't have any contact details for Heather Arthur from her Passion Projects appearance. Hopefully she'll reply to your email if she's able to help.

From GitHub support:

Unfortunately we don't have any contact details for Heather Arthur from her Passion Projects appearance. Hopefully she'll reply to your email if she's able to help.

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pablodenadai Jan 21, 2016

Let's start a petition at change.org. :-)

Let's start a petition at change.org. :-)

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voxpelli Jan 22, 2016

Why not just create a fork, move development there, keep an eye on this repo and point people to the fork whenever they open issues or PR:s here and then if/when the owner of this repo gets back to you then this repo can be updated to point to that repo.

Why not just create a fork, move development there, keep an eye on this repo and point people to the fork whenever they open issues or PR:s here and then if/when the owner of this repo gets back to you then this repo can be updated to point to that repo.

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FranzSkuffka Jan 22, 2016

+1, basically what I suggested already.

+1, basically what I suggested already.

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I also agree with @voxpelli

I also agree with @voxpelli

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robertleeplummerjr Jan 23, 2016

I did contact @harthur about being a maintainer, no reply. I did read her website, and why she ended up doing so, and totally respect it. I would really like to continue in her absence, hoping the best for her. There is a risk that she doesn't like any of the changes we do, but there is also the chance we may end up improving these fantastic libraries. That being said, there are enough of us and these libraries are useful enough I went ahead and created: https://github.com/harthur-org and forked all libraries. If you'd like access, open a pull request.

I did contact @harthur about being a maintainer, no reply. I did read her website, and why she ended up doing so, and totally respect it. I would really like to continue in her absence, hoping the best for her. There is a risk that she doesn't like any of the changes we do, but there is also the chance we may end up improving these fantastic libraries. That being said, there are enough of us and these libraries are useful enough I went ahead and created: https://github.com/harthur-org and forked all libraries. If you'd like access, open a pull request.

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IonicaBizau Jan 24, 2016

@robertleeplummerjr That's cool! 👍

I would still recommend having real source repositories, not forks (that means: delete forks, create repos, git push --all from local clones of @harthur's repos). I do not like forks because they have limitations like:

  • they are not searchable
  • commits in forks are not counted in the contributions calendar (big thing, right? 😂)

Instead we can explicitly state it's the repos are a continuation of the original projects.

@robertleeplummerjr That's cool! 👍

I would still recommend having real source repositories, not forks (that means: delete forks, create repos, git push --all from local clones of @harthur's repos). I do not like forks because they have limitations like:

  • they are not searchable
  • commits in forks are not counted in the contributions calendar (big thing, right? 😂)

Instead we can explicitly state it's the repos are a continuation of the original projects.

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I agree with @IonicaBizau, that makes perfect sense.

I agree with @IonicaBizau, that makes perfect sense.

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@ilanbiala, What if @harthur decides to re-maintain? We open a single pull request, and merge, and then the org can go away.

@ilanbiala, What if @harthur decides to re-maintain? We open a single pull request, and merge, and then the org can go away.

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@robertleeplummerjr Note we can always make pull requests between source repositories (not only between forks)—I still think we should convert them in source repositories, not forking. 😁

@robertleeplummerjr Note we can always make pull requests between source repositories (not only between forks)—I still think we should convert them in source repositories, not forking. 😁

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Give me a few, I'll work it out.

Give me a few, I'll work it out.

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Note we can always make pull requests between source repositories

Well, actually that's wrong: I mean, we can synchronize the source repositories anyways: when the original owner is back and wants to maintain the source repo, we fork it, synchronize the fork (git pull ...) and then creating a PR on GitHub. 😁

Note we can always make pull requests between source repositories

Well, actually that's wrong: I mean, we can synchronize the source repositories anyways: when the original owner is back and wants to maintain the source repo, we fork it, synchronize the fork (git pull ...) and then creating a PR on GitHub. 😁

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I get what you intended to say. I do it all the time for private repos based off of public ones. Don't know why I didn't think about it, probably an A.D.D. moment.

I get what you intended to say. I do it all the time for private repos based off of public ones. Don't know why I didn't think about it, probably an A.D.D. moment.

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@robertleeplummerjr 🆒 We now can start merging these PRs from this very repository in the @harthur-org account (by git pulling).

@robertleeplummerjr 🆒 We now can start merging these PRs from this very repository in the @harthur-org account (by git pulling).

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@IonicaBizau I'd like to make you a fellow maintainer since you started this issue. Seems only right. Just pushed unit tests for the likely method.

@IonicaBizau I'd like to make you a fellow maintainer since you started this issue. Seems only right. Just pushed unit tests for the likely method.

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@robertleeplummerjr Thanks! 👍 Happy to help in my spare time. Not sure, but I may use this module in one of projects. 😄

@robertleeplummerjr Thanks! 👍 Happy to help in my spare time. Not sure, but I may use this module in one of projects. 😄

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Added you to the "with great power comes great responsibility" team.

Added you to the "with great power comes great responsibility" team.

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IonicaBizau Feb 14, 2016

@FranzSkuffka Check this out. 😂

Pleeeease, without the f word!

@FranzSkuffka Check this out. 😂

Pleeeease, without the f word!

@franciscop franciscop referenced this issue in chancejs/chancejs Feb 24, 2016

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[ecosystem] Mixin repo #240

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2016/02/29 Mon #5

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ask at npmjs.org for permission to be added as package maintainers

I contacted npm support and they did talk to @harthur. She wants to keep the npm packages in this state, so, we need to apply plan b): to publish the packages under different names. 😞

/cc @FranzSkuffka

ask at npmjs.org for permission to be added as package maintainers

I contacted npm support and they did talk to @harthur. She wants to keep the npm packages in this state, so, we need to apply plan b): to publish the packages under different names. 😞

/cc @FranzSkuffka

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pablodenadai Apr 7, 2016

Ok. Let's think of a good prefix for the package names.

Sample:

contrib-brain
community-brain
com-brain

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Ok. Let's think of a good prefix for the package names.

Sample:

contrib-brain
community-brain
com-brain

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silentrob Apr 7, 2016

Ill throw out:

js-brain
org-brain

I do like community-brain though :)

Ill throw out:

js-brain
org-brain

I do like community-brain though :)

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AgentME Apr 7, 2016

Total bike-shedding here, but I feel obligated to mention a few common fork naming conventions:

brain-ng
brain-plus

(I'm not a big fan of contrib-brain because "contrib" is tainted in my mind by the multiple projects I've seen that have a "contrib" directory full of useful but unsupported and buggy 3rd-party patches that never got properly merged in.)

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Total bike-shedding here, but I feel obligated to mention a few common fork naming conventions:

brain-ng
brain-plus

(I'm not a big fan of contrib-brain because "contrib" is tainted in my mind by the multiple projects I've seen that have a "contrib" directory full of useful but unsupported and buggy 3rd-party patches that never got properly merged in.)

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pablodenadai Apr 7, 2016

Cool - I didn't know there was a naming convention for it.

Where is the easiest place to start an online poll?

Cool - I didn't know there was a naming convention for it.

Where is the easiest place to start an online poll?

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@ghpabs You could try http://strawpoll.me/

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IonicaBizau Apr 7, 2016

My ideas are:

  • brain.js
  • brain2

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My ideas are:

  • brain.js
  • brain2

😁

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pablodenadai Apr 7, 2016

Thanks @SoullessWaffle.

See poll here.

Ps. It's okay if you guys decide to add more options to the poll though.

Thanks @SoullessWaffle.

See poll here.

Ps. It's okay if you guys decide to add more options to the poll though.

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Results as of Apr 8, 2016, 10:43 AM GMT+1

  1. brain.js 10 votes (45%)
  2. js-brain 4 votes (18%)
  3. brain-plus 2 votes (9%)
  4. brain2 2 votes (9%)
  5. contrib-brain 1 vote (5%)
  6. community-brain 1 vote (5%)
  7. org-brain 1 vote (5%)
  8. brain-ng 1 vote (5%)
  9. com-brain 0 votes (0%)

Results as of Apr 8, 2016, 10:43 AM GMT+1

  1. brain.js 10 votes (45%)
  2. js-brain 4 votes (18%)
  3. brain-plus 2 votes (9%)
  4. brain2 2 votes (9%)
  5. contrib-brain 1 vote (5%)
  6. community-brain 1 vote (5%)
  7. org-brain 1 vote (5%)
  8. brain-ng 1 vote (5%)
  9. com-brain 0 votes (0%)
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mickdekkers Apr 8, 2016

Here's two more ideas:
brain-next
brain++ (as in c++; brain incremented by one)

Here's two more ideas:
brain-next
brain++ (as in c++; brain incremented by one)

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@SoullessWaffle I don't think + can be used in the package names.

@SoullessWaffle I don't think + can be used in the package names.

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harthur-brain could be a good choice SEO-wise

harthur-brain could be a good choice SEO-wise

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@IonicaBizau you're right, perhaps we could use brainpp

@IonicaBizau you're right, perhaps we could use brainpp

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Can we decide on the date by which everyone should vote.

Can we decide on the date by which everyone should vote.

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The poll has been open for just over a week now.

Updated results:

  1. brain.js 13 votes (46%)
  2. js-brain 4 votes (14%)
  3. brain2 4 votes (14%)
  4. community-brain 2 votes (7%)
  5. brain-plus 2 votes (7%)
  6. contrib-brain 1 vote (4%)
  7. org-brain 1 vote (4%)
  8. brain-ng 1 vote (4%)
  9. com-brain 0 votes (0%)

28 total votes

@IonicaBizau I guess you could call brain.js the winner?

The poll has been open for just over a week now.

Updated results:

  1. brain.js 13 votes (46%)
  2. js-brain 4 votes (14%)
  3. brain2 4 votes (14%)
  4. community-brain 2 votes (7%)
  5. brain-plus 2 votes (7%)
  6. contrib-brain 1 vote (4%)
  7. org-brain 1 vote (4%)
  8. brain-ng 1 vote (4%)
  9. com-brain 0 votes (0%)

28 total votes

@IonicaBizau I guess you could call brain.js the winner?

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IonicaBizau Apr 15, 2016

I npm published it under the brain.js name on npm. 🚀

If any of you wants to have superpowers on npm, feel free to 🔔 me and I will npm owner add you. 😁 Also, if you want to contribute to the project we can add you as member in the @harthur-org organization.

/cc BrainJS/brain.js#4

I npm published it under the brain.js name on npm. 🚀

If any of you wants to have superpowers on npm, feel free to 🔔 me and I will npm owner add you. 😁 Also, if you want to contribute to the project we can add you as member in the @harthur-org organization.

/cc BrainJS/brain.js#4

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robertleeplummerjr Apr 16, 2016

Devs, I believe a "huzza" is in order.

Devs, I believe a "huzza" is in order.

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Huzza!!!!

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Great job guys. ;)

Great job guys. ;)

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In the past I have used Brain.js and some other JavaScript based machine learning libraries but unfortunately I have found them not matching my needs. That's why, working on my personal projects, I have developed the idea of creating a different approach by myself. So, sorry to be here to talk about another project but I would really like to receive some opinions and suggestions from experienced people that, being into this specific field, could help me to set useful and shared expectations. By the way, thanks for the great support given to Brain.js so far. The library is called DN2A and is on https://github.com/dn2a/dn2a-javascript

antoniodeluca commented Jul 30, 2016

In the past I have used Brain.js and some other JavaScript based machine learning libraries but unfortunately I have found them not matching my needs. That's why, working on my personal projects, I have developed the idea of creating a different approach by myself. So, sorry to be here to talk about another project but I would really like to receive some opinions and suggestions from experienced people that, being into this specific field, could help me to set useful and shared expectations. By the way, thanks for the great support given to Brain.js so far. The library is called DN2A and is on https://github.com/dn2a/dn2a-javascript

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Can you please open a new issue, that way this issue stays focused?

Can you please open a new issue, that way this issue stays focused?

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https://medium.com/@heatherarthur/what-happens-when-you-retire-from-github-979fb6b143b3

Basically, he writes: This is hard work for him, A one with limited resources to maintain his repositories for others. He is overwhelmed by a large number of people contacting him. He has no resources for this. He dislikes this. So he quit GitHub. he "declared bankruptcy" on time devoted to Github, and He regrets sharing his repositories because it took so much time from his life. He expected people would fork and the code would be maintained by users themselves. but many good wishing people fall into his open door smashing him because they are just too much for him. So he asked to not contact him anymore regarding Github. even if you find him or his name.

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https://medium.com/@heatherarthur/what-happens-when-you-retire-from-github-979fb6b143b3

Basically, he writes: This is hard work for him, A one with limited resources to maintain his repositories for others. He is overwhelmed by a large number of people contacting him. He has no resources for this. He dislikes this. So he quit GitHub. he "declared bankruptcy" on time devoted to Github, and He regrets sharing his repositories because it took so much time from his life. He expected people would fork and the code would be maintained by users themselves. but many good wishing people fall into his open door smashing him because they are just too much for him. So he asked to not contact him anymore regarding Github. even if you find him or his name.

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expected people would fork and the code would be maintained by users themselves

And that is exactly what happened.

expected people would fork and the code would be maintained by users themselves

And that is exactly what happened.

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This is one of the most fascinating issues I have ever scrolled through. I love coders and the code community. Way to go for pulling together, people!

kjprice commented Jan 5, 2018

This is one of the most fascinating issues I have ever scrolled through. I love coders and the code community. Way to go for pulling together, people!

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k1r0s Mar 17, 2018

what happened to @harthur ? lol

k1r0s commented Mar 17, 2018

what happened to @harthur ? lol

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FranzSkuffka Mar 17, 2018

She's alive and well - machine-learning-engineering. I think there was more than one issue motivating her to abandon github. But I don't want to seed any rumors here. You better google any information up yourself. She has a medium account.

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She's alive and well - machine-learning-engineering. I think there was more than one issue motivating her to abandon github. But I don't want to seed any rumors here. You better google any information up yourself. She has a medium account.

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@FranzSkuffka But her profile says deceased https://github.com/harthur what happened to her. It saddens me to see a github profile like that.

@FranzSkuffka But her profile says deceased https://github.com/harthur what happened to her. It saddens me to see a github profile like that.

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FranzSkuffka Mar 23, 2018

Wow - that must be very recent. The last post on medium was Feb 24.

edit: She's alive. Or Twitter has an API for ghosts.
https://twitter.com/harthvader

FranzSkuffka commented Mar 23, 2018

Wow - that must be very recent. The last post on medium was Feb 24.

edit: She's alive. Or Twitter has an API for ghosts.
https://twitter.com/harthvader

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juanpablolvl99 Mar 26, 2018

I'm not still understand why she left the Github, someone can explain?

juanpablolvl99 commented Mar 26, 2018

I'm not still understand why she left the Github, someone can explain?

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juanpablolvl99 Mar 26, 2018

@AlibekJ my English is not so good, but here we go, I care because she's contributed a lot with the community and she just disappeared, why? Some problem with her career, or personal? Is it something we can help with? Is just empathy with the next!

juanpablolvl99 commented Mar 26, 2018

@AlibekJ my English is not so good, but here we go, I care because she's contributed a lot with the community and she just disappeared, why? Some problem with her career, or personal? Is it something we can help with? Is just empathy with the next!

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